cliffordcooley
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Not when everyone who opposes, had a choice to stay with Microsoft. **** didn't hit the fan until faced with the lack of choice.
Epic Games Boss says Microsoft is turning the PC into a walled garden with its UWP initiative
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Free or not, their next step is to discontinue old Windows versions as soon as possible, so you'd have to upgrade anyway. But hey, you've not being forced to use their products; Linux is free and has been around for ages now. PS: I'm a Windows 10 user and really like it.
How stupid is to call Windows "Windblows" while using it? Very. Go install Ubuntu, that should relieve your butthurt !
Your comment is also a gem of irony, since Steam has the same business model as UWP. Your retardation is unlimited.
cliffordcooley
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Let me merge all your postings for you. One day you may learn where the edit button (forum mode) is at.
I'm no techie. I sure don't see how far this affects us users, especially me as a gamer but one thing of which I'm certain is that M$ post windows 7 just shat the bed. I'm now running windows 10 and I have been getting all sorts of ****ing problems when trying to start my games or any other program. It lagged my computer to hell and now I'm just too damn afraid of buying any more games due to the fact that it won't be able to start. I have reformatted my laptop 6 times now in hopes that everything will be fixed but every time a new problem arises. I have went through every single website in hopes to fix my problems only to find none.
trgz
Posts: 476 +240
(Seriously not wishing to gloat) My intitial foray into W10 last summer didn't go well, with it hanging at the desktop on every boot, but I tried it again (November-ish) and it's been fairly good. nb I didn't do a clean install as I had so many programs installed (some of which were 'Giveaway fo the day' ones that I couldn't have re-installed) with an OS and files across 7 drives, several 'Junctions' setup, remnants of an old triple-boot setup (7/XP/Ubuntu) and some old hardware (Audigy 2 ZS - known to be an issue in W7 I believe) and some new (GTX970). It has continued to play ball and, apart from one game ('Runaway: A Road Adventure), I have yet to hit a single snag from older Point'n'Clicks and R6Vegas, to DiRT Rally/Farcry4/MGSV/R6Seige - I think I even got Anahronox working and my old Logitech Formula Force 'Old Red' (not suposedly supported under anything 64 bit or later than Vista if I recall)
Peter Farkas
Posts: 654 +530
I just don't get why this revolt is happening now....
Apple has been doing exactly the same for almost a decade on the mobile platform and everybody seems to be a happy peasant paying for it. There are over a 1,5 million apps in the App-store. It is extremely popular... So what's wrong now with Microsoft doing the same?
Apple has been doing exactly the same for almost a decade on the mobile platform and everybody seems to be a happy peasant paying for it. There are over a 1,5 million apps in the App-store. It is extremely popular... So what's wrong now with Microsoft doing the same?
SirGCal
Posts: 365 +138
Am am on Ubuntu... How do you feel now? Steam works just fine in Linux... Apparently some M$ lover got butthurt when I took the tiniest stab at them.. /sigh... Now THAT is sad... How about you do not go assuming everyone is using Windows blindly?!? How about that?
These are the same pedantic assumptions made back when the Windows 8 store first came out, that we'd all be locked into using 'metro' apps with no backwards compatibility, which as an early adopter of the dev preview I can tell you was never the case -- the store was just an effort to give users what they thought they wanted.
Hell, these arguments go back even further.. I remember how frantic everyone was about Windows Vista, just because MS had let people get too comfortable on XP. Even XP caused huge upsets over just being able to run more capable software. And from the switch from 3.x to 95, or the switch from MS-DOS to Windows..
But in spite of all of this, I still see many enterprises still managing to run programs that are basically modern front-ends for ancient DB software from the 80s (all of Ohio's Unified Accounting Network still basically runs on top of MS Fox, for example) on modern systems running Windows 10.
The key to MS's ubiquity and success in the PC market is it's compatibility. Over twenty years using their operating systems, and practically nothing in my massive collection of ancient hardware, software/games, and peripherals doesn't work practically 'out-of-the-box' on Windows 10 -- and it's getting easier with every new iteration.
The store does nothing to change this, and if anything just adds to the experience. Epic Games can chose wherever and however they like to distribute their wares, and MS has done nothing to affect this. The only real complaint is that end users may just end up preferring UWP so much that it becomes as ubiquitous for Windows/xbox as the stores are in iOS/Android, so much so that devs will be forced to offer their software on MS's store just to be able to compete -- but we all know that won't be the case. x]
Hell, these arguments go back even further.. I remember how frantic everyone was about Windows Vista, just because MS had let people get too comfortable on XP. Even XP caused huge upsets over just being able to run more capable software. And from the switch from 3.x to 95, or the switch from MS-DOS to Windows..
But in spite of all of this, I still see many enterprises still managing to run programs that are basically modern front-ends for ancient DB software from the 80s (all of Ohio's Unified Accounting Network still basically runs on top of MS Fox, for example) on modern systems running Windows 10.
The key to MS's ubiquity and success in the PC market is it's compatibility. Over twenty years using their operating systems, and practically nothing in my massive collection of ancient hardware, software/games, and peripherals doesn't work practically 'out-of-the-box' on Windows 10 -- and it's getting easier with every new iteration.
The store does nothing to change this, and if anything just adds to the experience. Epic Games can chose wherever and however they like to distribute their wares, and MS has done nothing to affect this. The only real complaint is that end users may just end up preferring UWP so much that it becomes as ubiquitous for Windows/xbox as the stores are in iOS/Android, so much so that devs will be forced to offer their software on MS's store just to be able to compete -- but we all know that won't be the case. x]
Why do people keep bringing this up? "He did it first" never worked on the school playground, and it doesn't work here.
I'm not an Apple user. I don't really care what Apple does with regard to distributing programs or apps. It's up to Apple users to fight that fight, or to not fight it. It's none of my concern.
Google doesn't have a serious desktop OS that would compete with Windows, so it's irrelevant to this discussion. I'm not talking about mobile devices with their scaled down, limited operating systems (and for the record, you can easily install and run apps from sources other than Google Play on any Android device). I am talking about desktop Windows, where distribution of software has been done one way for more than 25 years, and where Microsoft's desire to create a new category of apps to which they would have exclusive distribution rights (in exchange for 30% of the sales revenue right off the top) is a dramatic change from the status quo.
Technician
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Why do you care what MS does if you don't even use it? Let's talk about the shortcomings of Linux a while...can you say WINE?
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,564 +5,204
Linux users like yourself are a TINY fraction of the overall PC market... sorry to say this, but in the big scheme of things, you simply don't matter!
Technician
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If you are honest with yourself, in the big scheme of things, none of us matters.
cliffordcooley
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Yeah that is what everyone wants you to believe when they don't want you banding together for a cause. Whether that cause is to keep things the same or to make change doesn't matter. The point being a single person doesn't matter until their voice rings with millions of others. And to say that no one matters is to suppress the notion that they may not be alone.
Ziffel
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They aren't "discontinuing" Windows 7. I don't even know what that means. Millions still use XP. What they will do is stop offering security updates for it, but even that will last another 4 years. I'll hold out as long as I can.
Congratulations are in order. I, on the other hand, value my privacy, and don't like proprietary marketplaces built into my OS.
cliffordcooley
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In 4 more years, that will be when Windows 7 is discontinued. Which is why I moved forward to Windows 10 while it is a free upgrade.
discontinuing
Technician
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That wooshing sound was the point going over your head.
Don't get too full of yourself, there, bud.
cliffordcooley
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Of all people to be saying that, you have the least ground to stand on. What you say may have merit, but you should also listen to your own words.
Technician
Posts: 677 +115
You are preaching to the choir.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
I'm convinced now, your new moniker is Trollnician. I tried giving you benefit of doubt, I will now take a back seat and stop giving you so much attention. I do however wonder if you would be so bold, if we knew your true identity.You are preaching to the choir.
Technician
Posts: 677 +115
Wonder not cliffordtrolly, wonder not.
thanks for the cool name alterations thing.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,564 +5,204
So we have Crankytroll and Trollnician... I like it!
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
And apparently cliffordtrolly.
infiltrator
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There's always the Linux route, if people are not happy with the way, Microsoft do things....
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