Epic Games Boss says Microsoft is turning the PC into a walled garden with its UWP initiative

The difference with google is that it is fairly simple to enable the security function download and install apps outside of the Play store. This is a security and CYA feature. If you choose to install apps that are not approved by google then you can't sue when one of those apps hijacks your phone.

Apple has worked to develop an all inclusive ecosystem designed for users that do not want to have to deal with the worries of security and content. All products created by 3rd parties have to meet certain requirements and guidelines to be published in the store. This keeps the user safe and their store keeps out software with "Objectionable content". For the Mac you can install 3rd party apps from an outside source if you disable the security feature preventing this. If Apple didn't have such questionable business practices I would have bought an iPhone for my son.

With the beginning of UWP there doesn't seem to be any motive other than profit. Starting with Office 365 Microsoft seemed to be moving towards "software as a service" model offering software on a subscription basis to businesses as well as consumers. With the Windows 10 release it was pretty much confirmed that the policy moving forward is "windows as a service". Today we can still purchase Windows 10 in the traditional licensing but what they haven't specified is what the future cost of "windows as a service" will look like in the coming years.

Excellent breakdown. Most people haven't noticed but windows 10 does have a support end date. Unless there is serious push back Microsoft will turn windows completely into a service.

In my personal opinion, Licenses should be linked to people and not machines. I find it rather anti-customer that windows is moving to it's new "entitlements" system that replaces keys. Even more so, it has a bigger flaw than keys, in that it is linked to the motherboard. PC builders now have to either rely on the good graces of Microsoft to restore their windows license when they upgrade motherboards or buy an entirely new license.
 
That's just like games being sold through steam for the exact same cut. Wow, aggressive to copy a company that's been doing that for years. Did this guy think Microsoft invented this concept?
 
The difference with google is that it is fairly simple to enable the security function download and install apps outside of the Play store. This is a security and CYA feature. If you choose to install apps that are not approved by google then you can't sue when one of those apps hijacks your phone.

Apple has worked to develop an all inclusive ecosystem designed for users that do not want to have to deal with the worries of security and content. All products created by 3rd parties have to meet certain requirements and guidelines to be published in the store. This keeps the user safe and their store keeps out software with "Objectionable content". For the Mac you can install 3rd party apps from an outside source if you disable the security feature preventing this. If Apple didn't have such questionable business practices I would have bought an iPhone for my son.

With the beginning of UWP there doesn't seem to be any motive other than profit. Starting with Office 365 Microsoft seemed to be moving towards "software as a service" model offering software on a subscription basis to businesses as well as consumers. With the Windows 10 release it was pretty much confirmed that the policy moving forward is "windows as a service". Today we can still purchase Windows 10 in the traditional licensing but what they haven't specified is what the future cost of "windows as a service" will look like in the coming years.
Its so nice of big brother Apple to make my desicios about what's 'objectionable' so I don't have to worry about what art I see.
 
This is ridiculous.. Nobody is being forced into anything. PC users can still install whatever 32bit apps they like, and gamers can still pop in any game disc they can buy from any source. Developers can choose to use the MS store, or they can choose not to.

That's just like games being sold through steam for the exact same cut. Wow, aggressive to copy a company that's been doing that for years. Did this guy think Microsoft invented this concept?

Plenty of people despise Steam too for the very same reasons; ever been to GOG's forums? As my mum used to say: two wrongs don't make a right.
 
I made a statement not an assumption.

Steam is not an OS, at least not yet in final release stages. Steam is a weak analogy compared to MS. Steam does not control or confine how the games are programmed only how they are installed. Nor do they have resources they are unwilling to share unless bought into.
 
So your argument is because MS is better than Apple and Google, what MS does is wrong and Google and Apple are OK?
My argument wasn't that Microsoft was/is better, it's that they are different and their operating system only has the market share because of this. Pulling the rug out from under everyone isn't going to do MS any favors.

You are listing closed platforms to open ones, apples to oranges. It's not even an argument, it's a blatantly poor comparison. You need to compare windows to other open platforms, like linux. Hey, as it turns out, linux does have a store either!

How is comparing Windows to Linux a useful comparison? Linux is run by a tiny fraction of people with little to no apps being designed for it (almost everything is adopted 3rd party style)...

Windows is the main OS of PCs... iOS/Android are the main OSes of the smartphone/tablet industry... And Nintendo/PS/XBOX are the OSes of the platform industry (no, those aren't the OS names, but I don't know them off the top of my head and it isn't really relevant to know them for my argument)...
I would suggest that comparing Windows to these OSes is far more relevant.

WHY Windows enjoys a staggering marketshare is irrelevant to this discussion as well - they HAVE it, so let's work with that.
Open/closed OS doesn't matter either - you have a % of the marketshare, so you market accordingly.
I'm sure if OS/2 Warp was still around, they'd be doing the same thing today...

Don't be mad at MS for exploiting what they have - they have it, and are using it...
 
I made a statement not an assumption.

Steam is not an OS, at least not yet in final release stages. Steam is a weak analogy compared to MS. Steam does not control or confine how the games are programmed only how they are installed. Nor do they have resources they are unwilling to share unless bought into.
What resources has steam given freely to you? As a steam member, you can't even send a friend request unless you buy something. I found this hot when I made an account for my daughter to be able to play a game on it. The game was a gift from me and she couldn't send a request to me.
 
How is comparing Windows to Linux a useful comparison? Linux is run by a tiny fraction of people with little to no apps being designed for it (almost everything is adopted 3rd party style)...

Windows is the main OS of PCs... iOS/Android are the main OSes of the smartphone/tablet industry... And Nintendo/PS/XBOX are the OSes of the platform industry (no, those aren't the OS names, but I don't know them off the top of my head and it isn't really relevant to know them for my argument)...
I would suggest that comparing Windows to these OSes is far more relevant.

WHY Windows enjoys a staggering marketshare is irrelevant to this discussion as well - they HAVE it, so let's work with that.
Open/closed OS doesn't matter either - you have a % of the marketshare, so you market accordingly.
I'm sure if OS/2 Warp was still around, they'd be doing the same thing today...

Don't be mad at MS for exploiting what they have - they have it, and are using it...

You do realize how inane your argument is, right? First you argue that people shouldn't complain that windows is getting a store because other operating systems have one but want to ignore the fact that the only reason that said platforms have a store is because it suites it's user base. Tell me, if Android and iOS only get the market share they have because they are suited towards their users, who can you tell us to just ignore the fact that nearly no one using a PC wants a unified store?

What you're essentially asking is for use to take a banana turn it orange and make it round and then compare it to an orange. Why would I do that when I like regular banana's just fine?
 
You do realize how inane your argument is, right? First you argue that people shouldn't complain that windows is getting a store because other operating systems have one but want to ignore the fact that the only reason that said platforms have a store is because it suites it's user base. Tell me, if Android and iOS only get the market share they have because they are suited towards their users, who can you tell us to just ignore the fact that nearly no one using a PC wants a unified store?

What you're essentially asking is for use to take a banana turn it orange and make it round and then compare it to an orange. Why would I do that when I like regular banana's just fine?
You're calling my argument inane and then you spout this nonsensical drivel? Proof read please, fix grammar, try again...
 
Windows store has been suiting users since 8 and seems to keep doing better all the time from the stats.
 
How is comparing Windows to Linux a useful comparison? Linux is run by a tiny fraction of people with little to no apps being designed for it (almost everything is adopted 3rd party style)...

Windows is the main OS of PCs... iOS/Android are the main OSes of the smartphone/tablet industry... And Nintendo/PS/XBOX are the OSes of the platform industry (no, those aren't the OS names, but I don't know them off the top of my head and it isn't really relevant to know them for my argument)...
I would suggest that comparing Windows to these OSes is far more relevant.

WHY Windows enjoys a staggering marketshare is irrelevant to this discussion as well - they HAVE it, so let's work with that.
Open/closed OS doesn't matter either - you have a % of the marketshare, so you market accordingly.
I'm sure if OS/2 Warp was still around, they'd be doing the same thing today...

Don't be mad at MS for exploiting what they have - they have it, and are using it...

You do realize how inane your argument is, right? First you argue that people shouldn't complain that windows is getting a store because other operating systems have one but want to ignore the fact that the only reason that said platforms have a store is because it suites it's user base. Tell me, if Android and iOS only get the market share they have because they are suited towards their users, who can you tell us to just ignore the fact that nearly no one using a PC wants a unified store?

What you're essentially asking is for use to take a banana turn it orange and make it round and then compare it to an orange. Why would I do that when I like regular banana's just fine?

Don't worry your bananas are still available from Steam and everything outside of a Microsoft app store.

You make it sound as if all the bananas in the world are Microsoft's bananas.

You make it sound as if STEAM would STOP WORKING once UWP comes on line

You make it sound as if NOTHING outside of UWP would work any longer once UWP comes on line.

You make it sound as The Win10 apps store is going to turn into THE WHOLE OS

C'mon. Use your brain.
 
I made a statement not an assumption.

Steam is not an OS, at least not yet in final release stages. Steam is a weak analogy compared to MS. Steam does not control or confine how the games are programmed only how they are installed. Nor do they have resources they are unwilling to share unless bought into.

...and the worry is what? That nothing would work outside of a future Win10 appstore anymore?

LOL don't tell me that people are seriously thinking that no programs would work outside of the app store. That Steam would stop working. That all those freeware/opensauce/existing programs on their PCs would all stop working. REALLY.

Cry me a river. I'll just don't buy "Metro Apps", which I've never done anyways.
 
So your argument is because MS is better than Apple and Google, what MS does is wrong and Google and Apple are OK?
My argument wasn't that Microsoft was/is better, it's that they are different and their operating system only has the market share because of this. Pulling the rug out from under everyone isn't going to do MS any favors.

You are listing closed platforms to open ones, apples to oranges. It's not even an argument, it's a blatantly poor comparison. You need to compare windows to other open platforms, like linux. Hey, as it turns out, linux does have a store either!

How is comparing Windows to Linux a useful comparison? Linux is run by a tiny fraction of people with little to no apps being designed for it (almost everything is adopted 3rd party style)...

Windows is the main OS of PCs... iOS/Android are the main OSes of the smartphone/tablet industry... And Nintendo/PS/XBOX are the OSes of the platform industry (no, those aren't the OS names, but I don't know them off the top of my head and it isn't really relevant to know them for my argument)...
I would suggest that comparing Windows to these OSes is far more relevant.

WHY Windows enjoys a staggering marketshare is irrelevant to this discussion as well - they HAVE it, so let's work with that.
Open/closed OS doesn't matter either - you have a % of the marketshare, so you market accordingly.
I'm sure if OS/2 Warp was still around, they'd be doing the same thing today...

Don't be mad at MS for exploiting what they have - they have it, and are using it...
I am mad at MS tactic of pressing users a lot to see what happens and next reducing the pressure a little to find a balance. Two steps forward, one step backward. They behave like vultures. A vulture-like company is never nice, specially when it is as good as a monopoly.
 
I think that the Windows Store should be limited to simple apps, but when you talk about AAA games, they should be available everywhere as executable files, as they've always been.
np I'll continue to get my AAA games via Steam/Uplay/Origin (I'm struggling to think of a great GFWL game for the PC) and Office 2010 was the last good version - metro apps are fit only for phones.
 
np I'll continue to get my AAA games via Steam/Uplay/Origin (I'm struggling to think of a great GFWL game for the PC) and Office 2010 was the last good version - metro apps are fit only for phones.
That's why they dropped metro apps a long time ago in favor of universal apps.
 
What resources has steam given freely to you? As a steam member, you can't even send a friend request unless you buy something. I found this hot when I made an account for my daughter to be able to play a game on it. The game was a gift from me and she couldn't send a request to me.

I imagine you follow the news around Valve's decisions right? It's to punish those who simply create throwaway accounts, looking for a quick buck as they scam users. I hate it as much as anyone else, needing to spend money to send friend requests. With the popularity of CS:GO and the like, making it easier to trade in-game items for money. The more exploits and such, the worse things will become.
 
The reason for steam being a bs service is irrelevant, the fact remains. Cliff said of steam: Nor do they have resources they are unwilling to share unless bought into.
I pointed out the flaw in that argument.
 
You're calling my argument inane and then you spout this nonsensical drivel? Proof read please, fix grammar, try again...

People only pull the grammar card when they don't have a comeback. It's ironic though, telling me to fix my grammar when that very sentence has grammar issues.

Once you decide to get back on topic I'll be waiting. I'm not going to chase any of your ghost arguments.

Don't worry your bananas are still available from Steam and everything outside of a Microsoft app store.

You make it sound as if all the bananas in the world are Microsoft's bananas.

You make it sound as if STEAM would STOP WORKING once UWP comes on line

You make it sound as if NOTHING outside of UWP would work any longer once UWP comes on line.

You make it sound as The Win10 apps store is going to turn into THE WHOLE OS

C'mon. Use your brain.

Actually that's just you assuming and you even admit it by saying "You make it sound as if". Your entire comment is based off reading my comments and jumping to a conclusion. I would call your comment a knee-jerk reaction because you jump to an extreme conclusion without anything in the way of proof. Some of these points are so off base, heck, I never even mentioned steam.
 
People only pull the grammar card when they don't have a comeback. It's ironic though, telling me to fix my grammar when that very sentence has grammar issues.

Once you decide to get back on topic I'll be waiting. I'm not going to chase any of your ghost arguments.

I pulled the grammar card because your comment was incomprehensible.... I figure the gist of it was, "people using Windows don't want a unified store".... That took like 5 reads to get.... And my "back on topic" is... What evidence do you have to support this claim?

And when you respond, try to do it in comprehensible English please...
 
I pulled the grammar card because your comment was incomprehensible.... I figure the gist of it was, "people using Windows don't want a unified store".... That took like 5 reads to get.... And my "back on topic" is... What evidence do you have to support this claim?

And when you respond, try to do it in comprehensible English please...

It's funny, you keep insulting my grammar but you make a grammar mistake every time.

"And my "back on topic" is... What evidence do you have to support this claim?"

I don't even know which claim you are referring to. You do realize that with English you have to restate the subject each time it changes, right? Also, in "What" your w shouldn't be capitalized. It's not the start of a sentence nor is it a person or place.
 
It's funny, you keep insulting my grammar but you make a grammar mistake every time.

"And my "back on topic" is... What evidence do you have to support this claim?"

I don't even know which claim you are referring to. You do realize that with English you have to restate the subject each time it changes, right? Also, in "What" your w shouldn't be capitalized. It's not the start of a sentence nor is it a person or place.
My "..." Should be treated as a period.... I simply use them to provide better spacing... And my "what" refers to the gist of your previous inane statement - that should have been clear to you, but I guess you're not smart enough to figure that out.

I find it ironic that you stated that people only pull the grammar card when they have no comeback - I guess that means you're conceding I'm correct?
 
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