Europe fears Chinese EV buses on its roads could be shut down remotely

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In a nutshell: Frosty relations between the US and China might have thawed slightly over the last few days, but Europe is investigating a new concern related to the Asian nation: whether electric buses made in the country and being used on EU roads can be remotely shut down by their maker.

The issue began when an investigation in Norway concluded that Yutong electric buses could be "stopped or rendered inoperable" by the Zhengzhou-based company – the world's largest manufacturer of buses by sales volume. Yutong has exported nearly 110,000 buses to more than 100 countries, and holds more than 10% of the global market.

Ruter, which operates around half of Norway's public transportation network, said the government-owned Yutong had "direct digital access to each individual bus" to carry out software updates and diagnostics. "In theory, this could be exploited to affect the bus," it said.

The tests, which were carried out in a mountain tunnel to block external signals, involved a brand-new Yutong bus and a three-year-old bus from Dutch manufacturer VDL. It was found that the Dutch vehicle didn't have the capability to carry out over-the-air updates, while the Chinese-manufactured buses did.

"There is access to the control system for battery and power supply via mobile network through a Romanian SIM card. In theory, therefore, this bus can be stopped or rendered inoperable by the manufacturer," Ruter said.

Ruter did not say there was any evidence that Yutong had tried to control the buses. It added that the bus cameras were not connected to the internet and there was no risk of image or video transmission. The agency said it would impose "even stricter security requirements in future procurements," and that firewalls were being developed to ensure local control and protection against hacking.

Denmark opened its own investigation following the Norwegian findings. Movia, the nation's largest public transport company, said it was investigating the risks but emphasized that they were not specific to Chinese buses. It said OTA updates were common in many electric vehicles, including those made in Western countries.

"Electric buses, like electric cars, in principle can be remotely deactivated if their software systems have online access," Movia chief operating officer Jeppe Gaard told NBC News.

The UK is also examining the Chinese buses. The Department for Transport and the National Cyber Security Centre said it wanted to understand and mitigate potential risks.

Yutong said in a statement to NBC News that it "understands and highly values the public's concerns regarding vehicle safety and data privacy protection," and that it "strictly complies with applicable laws, regulations, and industry standards."

The company also explained that the vehicle data is encrypted, stored in an Amazon Web Services data center, and cannot be accessed without customer authorization. Yutong added that the data is "used solely for vehicle-related maintenance, optimization and improvement to meet customers' after-sales service needs."

Fears that Chinese-made products pose security and surveillance risks are nothing new. It's what landed Huawei on the US Entity List, and it's one reason why TP-Link's routers could be banned in the United States.

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Chinese buses are highly combustible, as often shown on YouTube. And yet somebody is buying those in Europe? That is insane, and should be the primary concern.

This crap catches fire in China on a regular basis, and they bring this to Europe? Damn.
 
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Chinese buses are the most inflammable type of transport in the world, according to all the evidence. And yet somebody is buying those in Europe? That is insane, and should be the primary concern.

This crap catches fire in China on a regular basis, and they bring this to Europe? Damn.
The key here is QC (and Chinese standards vs costs for the domestix market tend to be...weaker), hence why the phone in your hand doesn't explode even though its built in the same level of factory (worker / infrastructure wise) as the buses and so on
 
Skoda makes beautiful buses and trams, why do we need those, we have carmakers in EU.
And also Chinese automobiles have a tendency to self combust.
 
Chinese buses are highly combustible, as often shown on YouTube. And yet somebody is buying those in Europe? That is insane, and should be the primary concern.

This crap catches fire in China on a regular basis, and they bring this to Europe? Damn.
Interesting. But you don't seem to be worried about your phone and millions of other phones plus BILLIONS of electronic appliances - are they not built in China??

No one seems to be worried about those. But suddenly buses make some people go into a conspiracy fit!! Weird.

Actually, Europe would have more than buses to worry about being shut down remotely: The US 100 million $$ F-35 fighter jet (bought / still being bought by most NATO countries) was in the news a couple of months ago. Some countries discovered the fighters have a remote kill switch and were worried some crazy US president might get upset and switch them off!

But some minion in Trump's cabinet assured them this won't happen....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, that's scary, knowing how mercurial and flip-flopping expert Mr. Turnip is!! Especially if Europe goes to war with his Russian buddy.
 
Nefarious global plot stopped by removing sim card!

LOL fear mongering these days.

"Hello sir, can I interest you in sampling the latest arrival in our collection? It's an e-sim, 2016 vintage."

Then there's also the option of the bus being required to maintain communication with a server in China to even continue to function, e-sim or not...
 
Interesting. But you don't seem to be worried about your phone and millions of other phones plus BILLIONS of electronic appliances - are they not built in China??

No one seems to be worried about those. But suddenly buses make some people go into a conspiracy fit!! Weird.

Actually, Europe would have more than buses to worry about being shut down remotely: The US 100 million $$ F-35 fighter jet (bought / still being bought by most NATO countries) was in the news a couple of months ago. Some countries discovered the fighters have a remote kill switch and were worried some crazy US president might get upset and switch them off!

But some minion in Trump's cabinet assured them this won't happen....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, that's scary, knowing how mercurial and flip-flopping expert Mr. Turnip is!! Especially if Europe goes to war with his Russian buddy.
Oh stop it, there's nothing "weird" in this or conspiracy-related. Buses make use of the largest battery blocks in the industry, and as such they end up going through the worst quality control, if any at all, ending up with faulty batteries or wiring a lot. It's a simple probability math - the larger the battery, the more rigorous testing is needed (but doesn't happen), so it backfires a lot (literally).
 
Interesting. But you don't seem to be worried about your phone and millions of other phones plus BILLIONS of electronic appliances - are they not built in China??

No one seems to be worried about those. But suddenly buses make some people go into a conspiracy fit!! Weird.

Actually, Europe would have more than buses to worry about being shut down remotely: The US 100 million $$ F-35 fighter jet (bought / still being bought by most NATO countries) was in the news a couple of months ago. Some countries discovered the fighters have a remote kill switch and were worried some crazy US president might get upset and switch them off!

But some minion in Trump's cabinet assured them this won't happen....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, that's scary, knowing how mercurial and flip-flopping expert Mr. Turnip is!! Especially if Europe goes to war with his Russian buddy.

Despite everyday devices also being security threats, the logical leap one has to make to compare such everyday consumer items and public transport vehicles to literal country-busting fighter jets is astonishing. It's a clear symptom of severe TDS, requiring immediate professional attention.
 
"Europe fears Chinese EV buses on its roads could be shut down remotely"

Paranoia...! Why don't you buy American EV buses...?!

Oh, I forgot... US doesn't make any...!
 
Chinese buses are highly combustible, as often shown on YouTube. And yet somebody is buying those in Europe? That is insane, and should be the primary concern.

This crap catches fire in China on a regular basis, and they bring this to Europe? Damn.
Any source on those Chinese buses catching fire "on a regular basis"?
 
Remote control is not limited to products from China, any modern vehicle (EV or gas) can be hacked and remotely shutdown. Manufactures don't bother adding security to all the IoT flooding the U.S, turning it into a hackers paradise! Even after Stuxnet there is still little\no security on PLCs automating much of U.S infrastructure.
 
"Hello sir, can I interest you in sampling the latest arrival in our collection? It's an e-sim, 2016 vintage."

Then there's also the option of the bus being required to maintain communication with a server in China to even continue to function, e-sim or not...
"Hello sir, can I interest you in sampling the latest arrival in our collection? It's an article from today that you are commenting on."

The article stated that the sims had already removed in some countries to address the security issue.
 
Then the bus stops moving because it cant contact home.

We've seen all manner of "smart" appliances fail because their cloud got shut off. Why would a bus be any different?
A bus could be different for lot of reasons.

But specifically the article stated A) they were only for updates and B) that the sims had already been removed by some countries without issue.
 
"Europe fears Chinese EV buses on its roads could be shut down remotely"

Paranoia...! Why don't you buy American EV buses...?!

Oh, I forgot... US doesn't make any...!
This is a classic case of a "trust me bro" statement. The US makes thousands of electric buses. For just school buses, there are these manufacturers (with factories in the US):
Thomas Built Buses - High Point, NC
Lion Electric Company - Joliet, IL
GreenPower Motor Company - Charleston, WV
Blue Bird Corporation - Fort Valley, GA
BYD - Lancaster, CA
Here are some others: https://electricschoolbusinitiative...chool Bus U.S. Market Study (August 2024).pdf
 
Interesting. But you don't seem to be worried about your phone and millions of other phones plus BILLIONS of electronic appliances - are they not built in China??

No one seems to be worried about those. But suddenly buses make some people go into a conspiracy fit!! Weird.

Actually, Europe would have more than buses to worry about being shut down remotely: The US 100 million $$ F-35 fighter jet (bought / still being bought by most NATO countries) was in the news a couple of months ago. Some countries discovered the fighters have a remote kill switch and were worried some crazy US president might get upset and switch them off!

Ummm a "remote kill" feature has been around for a long time. I remember in the late 70's when the Shah of Iran was booted out, the fire control systems on the Iranian F-14 Tomcats were remotely disabled, making them nothing more than a giant jet plane that couldn't fire weapons. Wouldn't surprise me if U.S. weapons makers put remote kill features in things they sell to other countries. Also wouldn't surprise me if China puts remote kill things in everything they sell too.
 
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