Even the RTX 2080 Ti struggles with Watch Dogs: Legion at 60fps in 1080p

Jroc187

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I think this says more about Ubisoft's useless, outdated Gfx engines that they use rather than the 2080Ti...
All you did was read the title, then spat some **** about the outdated Gfx engine. This part tels you way the game had trouble.

with all the graphics settings at Ultra, including ray-traced reflections. Even though the test machine was running an RTX 2080 Ti, it was unable to manage a steady 60 fps@1080p when the framerate was unlocked. You missed the ray-tracing being on and why the game struggled
 

loki1944

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Crysis was a game changer at that time. Nothing in this is a game trailer. Ubisoft is just re-issuing the same dusty old franchises, with added payment as a "bonus", with "woke" themes (Kassandra in AC), with poor optimizations and money-grubbing schemes.
Did Crysis had a new theme? Check
Did Crysis had microtransactions? Nope.
Did Crysis had "pay for skins"? Nope
Did Crysis had "half a game for 80 USD?" Nope
Did Crysis had "5 editions with useless junk"? Nope
It's no comparison between the two.
Well said.
 
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LuckyMenace

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wtf did you all smoke? how is exactly the ssd is supposed to improve the speed at which the gpu can process data?
the ssd in ps5 will allow for seamless transitions between very complex scenes, BUT that doesn't mean it helps the gpu in any way with rendering the frames.
It depends on whether the FPS dip is due to loading in assets. It’s an open world game so game data is constantly being loaded as you move around the map. A super fast SSD is certainly going to improve frame rates if loading is the cause of the drop.
 
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Wow, after watching the video I can only hang my head in embarrassment for the industry right now. These graphics would have been cool on a Sega Dreamcast...
 

Evernessince

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Meanwhile 5700XT get 0fps with RayTracing on so the 2080 Ti is still infinitely better :D
Not only is this statement factually incorrect (any video card can ray trace), it's more misleading then Nvidia's marketing slides when they released RTX cards when they showed the RTX cards 8 times faster in ray tracing then the 10xx series. RTX is included in less then 0.01% of all games so in fact it isn't representative of performance a vast majority of people will see regardless.

The cherry on top is that you felt the need to compare a $1,200 graphics card to a $400 one and to cast the $1,200 card in the best light possible. The 2080 Ti would have won regardless of RTX or otherwise but that's a given, the price is much much higher.

You also have to take into context that regardless of all that, the $1,200 graphics card isn't going to provide you 60 FPS at 1080p with ray tracing on anyways.

Like most things, put into context it is not nearly as hyperbolic as touted. In any case, I'm going to bet that even with the 3000 series's top end card ray tracing will still not be an enjoyable experience in CP2077. For an FPS frame-rate is far more important. In addition, depending on the ray tracing features used compared to the rasterized lighting features, it may not even be worthwhile. As gamersnexus has demonstrated, in many cases the visual advantage of RTX is debatable and in other instances the ray traced features are entirely possible using regular rasterization techniques. Ray tracing is likely the future but right now the benefit is very debatable when the quality nor performance is there yet.
 
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krizby

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Not only is this statement factually incorrect (any video card can ray trace), it's more misleading then Nvidia's marketing slides when they released RTX cards when they showed the RTX cards 8 times faster in ray tracing then the 10xx series. RTX is included in less then 0.01% of all games so in fact it isn't representative of performance a vast majority of people will see regardless.

The cherry on top is that you felt the need to compare a $1,200 graphics card to a $400 one and to cast the $1,200 card in the best light possible. The 2080 Ti would have won regardless of RTX or otherwise but that's a given, the price is much much higher.

You also have to take context the regardless of all that, the $1,200 graphics card isn't going to provide you 60 FPS at 1080p with ray tracing on anyways.

Like most things, put into context it is not nearly as hyperbolic as touted. In any case, I'm going to bet that even with the 3000 series's top end card ray tracing will still not be an enjoyable experience in CP2077. For an FPS frame-rate is far more important. In addition, depending on the ray tracing features used compared to the rasterized lighting features, it may not even be worthwhile. As gamersnexus has demonstrated, in many cases the visual advantage of RTX is debatable and in other instances the ray traced features are entirely possible using regular rasterization techniques. Ray tracing is likely the future but right now the benefit is very debatable when the quality nor performance is there yet.
Bla...bla...bla too much personal opinion that no one cares.

Less than 60fps at 1080p or not the 2080ti is still the fastest card ATM (2nd actually), just waiting to be superceded by Ampere counterpart or RDNA 2. After almost 2 years the 2080 Ti continue to sell for 1200usd and the number of owners still exceed 5700XT.


Steam Hardware Survey

If you don't like nice graphic just stick to CSGO, no one forces you to buy new games or new graphic cards anyways.
 
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Evernessince

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Bla...bla...bla too much personal opinion that no one cares.

Less than 60fps at 1080p or not the 2080ti is still the fastest card ATM (2nd actually), just waiting to be superceded by Ampere counterpart or RDNA 2. After almost 2 years the 2080 Ti continue to sell for 1200usd and the number of owners still exceed 5700XT.


Steam Hardware Survey

If you don't like nice graphic just stick to CSGO, no one forces you to buy new games or new graphic cards anyways.
I figured facts would be wasted on you. I was not disappointed.
 

krizby

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I figured facts would be wasted on you. I was not disappointed.
Market facts or BS facts you pull out of nowhere ?
If RayTracing is not a viable option then why Microsoft, Sony and AMD are trying so hard to adopt it in their future hardware ?

As @QuantumPhysics always pointed out "The market is always right", people are buying RTX left and right. If all you care is price to performance then just stick to the new PS5/ Xbox One X, no one blame you if you can't afford a 1200usd GPU anyways.
 
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Evernessince

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Market facts or BS facts you pull out of nowhere ?
Ignorance speaks loudly so as to be heard but it's volume gives reason to doubt every word.

You can put on false front and play your disillusion games but we are all well aware of the current state of RTX and it's performance.

Oh, and yes it is a certainly a fact that the RTX 2080 Ti is a $1,200 video card while the RX 5700 XT is $400.


Surely you'd expect someone touting the card to know that. Cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing no?
 

krizby

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Ignorance speaks loudly so as to be heard but it's volume gives reason to doubt every word.

You can put on false front and play your disillusion games but we are all well aware of the current state of RTX and it's performance.

Oh, and yes it is a certainly a fact that the RTX 2080 Ti is a $1,200 video card while the RX 5700 XT is $400.


Surely you'd expect someone touting the card to know that. Cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing no?
Yes yes, keep counting pennies please.
1200usd is like chump change that I can spend without a second thought, but if it's such a hard issue for you then I can understand.

However the free market show that the 1200usd 2080 Ti are still selling very well
Mindfactory sales data

You can criticize RTX or 2080 Ti all you want all day, just that it doesn't matter one bit.

One thing is more important though, almost all 2080 Ti owners are satisfied with their GPU while a notable percentage of Navi owners are utterly dissatisfied with theirs :).
 
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Evernessince

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Yes yes, keep counting pennies please.
1200usd is like chump change that I can spend without a second thought, but if it's such a hard issue for you then I can understand.

However the free market show that the 1200usd 2080 Ti are still selling very well
Mindfactory sales data

You can criticize RTX or 2080 Ti all you want all day, just that it doesn't matter one bit.

One thing is more important though, almost all 2080 Ti owners are satisfied with their GPU while a notable percentage of Navi owners are utterly dissatisfied with theirs :).
The caliber of a person can be determined how they use their money. Whether or not it's pocket change to you is irrelevant, it's objectively bad value.

" It’s good to have money and the things that money can buy, but it’s good, too, to check up once in a while and make sure that you haven’t lost the things that money can’t buy"

--George Lorimer
 
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krizby

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The caliber of a person can be determined how they use their money. Whether or not it's pocket change to you is irrelevant, it's objectively bad value.

" It’s good to have money and the things that money can buy, but it’s good, too, to check up once in a while and make sure that you haven’t lost the things that money can’t buy"

--George Lorimer
Sorry but I'm but pretentious enough to think that I can teach people how to spend their money, and neither should you.

If you think current GPU are overpriced then don't buy it, just that others willing to buy them are none of your concern though.

In the end neither my opinion nor yours even matter. 2080 Ti is still the 2nd fastest GPU in Jul 2020 and continue to sell well at 1200usd, the end.
 

Evernessince

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Sorry but I'm but pretentious enough to think that I can teach people how to spend their money, and neither should you.
Yet you were spending the last two comments blasting me for pinching pennies. Perhaps you should take your own advise. If I had to guess I'd say you're American simply for the fact that you are getting fleeced and bashing others for not being fleeced as well.

If you think current GPU are overpriced then don't buy it, just that others willing to buy them are none of your concern though.

In the end neither my opinion nor yours even matter. 2080 Ti is still the 2nd fastest GPU in Jul 2020 and continue to sell well at 1200usd, the end.
Nvidia's quarterly reports would disagree:


That was closer to launch as well. Sales for GPUs typically don't go up over time.

Pray tell, what's your supporting evidence that the 2080 Ti is selling well? Nvidia doesn't release sales of specific card models. The steam survey shows the 1080 Ti with almost twice the marketshare:


I do wonder what sales will be like in the likely upcoming recession / depression. I highly doubt higher priced GPUs will continue to fly.
 
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Lew Zealand

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Yes yes, keep counting pennies please.
1200usd is like chump change that I can spend without a second thought, but if it's such a hard issue for you then I can understand.

However the free market show that the 1200usd 2080 Ti are still selling very well
Mindfactory sales data
Yes, Nvidia is selling RTX 2080 Tis but their numbers in your link are lower than all other Turing models save the 1660 Ti, which is a waste of money compared to the 1660 Super. And the only current gen Navi it outsells is the similar waste of money 5700 now that the 5600XT is out.

It sells, but not particularly well. Except to pad Nvidia's bottom line of course.
 

krizby

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Yes, Nvidia is selling RTX 2080 Tis but their numbers in your link are lower than all other Turing models save the 1660 Ti, which is a waste of money compared to the 1660 Super. And the only current gen Navi it outsells is the similar waste of money 5700 now that the 5600XT is out.

It sells, but not particularly well. Except to pad Nvidia's bottom line of course.
Yeah, "not particularly well" when the revenue from 2080 Ti sales alone is 1/8 of Nvidia and 1/3 of AMD :D

Here is Mindfactory sale figures for Q1 2020


Notice that the revenues from 2080 Ti sales alone is almost 1/10 of all GPU sale, that is a significant chunk of revenue.

Here is the break down unit sale for Mindfactory from Jan 2020 to April 2020

 
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MaxSmarties

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Dunia and AnvilNext are somewhat dated now, as they're built on older engines, but Snowdrop and Disrupt are both new and mostly built afresh for more recent hardware and APIs. Not sure what Legion is using, but it's probably Disrupt (which Watch Dogs 2 used). Besides, the game is due for release until the end of October, so there's still time to amend the situation.
October is not far, in software development terms. They can improve it, for sure, but don't expect them to go from 60 to 100 FPS.
 

Markoni35

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At least graphics in WatchDogs is amazing, not ugly like in that Pubic Germ, PUBG, or whatsisisname, which has horrible graphics and still renders slowly.
 

Bamda

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Bla...bla...bla too much personal opinion that no one cares.

Less than 60fps at 1080p or not the 2080ti is still the fastest card ATM (2nd actually), just waiting to be superceded by Ampere counterpart or RDNA 2. After almost 2 years the 2080 Ti continue to sell for 1200usd and the number of owners still exceed 5700XT.


Steam Hardware Survey

If you don't like nice graphic just stick to CSGO, no one forces you to buy new games or new graphic cards anyways.
Everyone knows that Steam Doesn’t Accurately Measure Market Share.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-steam-doesnt-accurately-measure-market-share
 

Lew Zealand

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Yeah, "not particularly well" when the revenue from 2080 Ti sales alone is 1/8 of Nvidia and 1/3 of AMD :D
That's not sales, that's revenue, ie: markup/margin. This is how Apple kills all other phone makers and still makes a mint on Macs and has a $1.6T market value. Low sales, high revenue.

Here is Mindfactory sale figures for Q1 2020


Notice that the revenues from 2080 Ti sales alone is almost 1/10 of all GPU sale, that is a significant chunk of revenue.
Again revenue, not sales. Less than 5% of Nvidia sales and less than 3% of all GPU sales are the 2080 Ti. Which is fine for an expensive halo product but not a dominant part of the market. Again, it sure helps the bottom line and AMD has nothing like that in their stack.
 
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Lew Zealand

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I'd also anticipate the 2080 Ti of all cards to have falling sales heading into the 3080/3090/Ti release as the top end cards are the ones with diminishing performance returns for the cost and therefore the highest value loss when the following generation is released.

Put another way: if the 2070 Super is replaced by the 3060 with the same performance and the same product stack selling price, you are now getting $500 of performance for $350, a $150 loss for the late 2070S buyer.

If the 2080 Ti is replaced by the 3080 with the same performance and the same product stack selling price, you are now getting $1200 of performance for $700, a $500 loss for the late 2080 Ti buyer.

There's a lot more to lose at the top by buying late in the product cycle.
 

Evernessince

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I'd also anticipate the 2080 Ti of all cards to have falling sales heading into the 3080/3090/Ti release as the top end cards are the ones with diminishing performance returns for the cost and therefore the highest value loss when the following generation is released.

Put another way: if the 2070 Super is replaced by the 3060 with the same performance and the same product stack selling price, you are now getting $500 of performance for $350, a $150 loss for the late 2070S buyer.

If the 2080 Ti is replaced by the 3080 with the same performance and the same product stack selling price, you are now getting $1200 of performance for $700, a $500 loss for the late 2080 Ti buyer.

There's a lot more to lose at the top by buying late in the product cycle.
Nvidia bumped the MSRP of the xx80 class GPU to $800 unfortunately. $700 doesn't even get you that anymore.

TBH only moving GPUs down one tier would be disappointing. The 1080 Ti sells for $450 - $550 right now second hand. That would mean that by the 2080 Ti costing $800, it's still a bit overpriced even through it'd be last gen by then. At $800 I still would not buy a 2080 Ti. It needs to be $500 IMO.