Experts urge Clinton to demand election recount in three key states amid vote hacking fears

[wiyosaya]

Hillary Clinton Won the election b receiving over 2,000,000 more votes than Trump.

Yeah we know there's millions of you people sandwiched into these states that fund the rest of the country.

Fixed that for you!

 

[Bob Dowd]

Hillary will never do it, because if she does, Trump will appoint a special prosecutor and investigate her emails and make her life miserable

 

[captaincranky]

Looks like Jill Stein is going to request the recount, and will raise enough money to do so

And after all, why shouldn't a 3rd place nobody be calling all the shots?

Regardless of how it turns out, the way that I see it is if there is significant fraud from any source, those votes should be recounted to either say there is fraud or not. Personally, I do not see why anyone would be against this. We all detest fraud, right?

You mean in the same way everybody would really enjoy running out of a theater, just because some sh!t head yelled, "FIRE"?

 

[wiyosaya]

And after all, why shouldn't a 3rd place nobody be calling all the shots?

You mean in the same way everybody would really enjoy running out of a theater, just because some sh!t head yelled, "FIRE"?

Yes, the perfect ending to this comedy's season...

 

[captaincranky]

mostly because there is no BS. the guy with the most votes wins. there is no weird "electoral vote" where arbitrary numbers decide the president instead of who got the most votes.

@Puiu OK, this is a heartwarming story but, Communist block countries are notorious, (at least in the west), for candidates hand picked by Russia, often running unopposed.

This should be self evident in light of the recent events in The Ukraine, and the Russian annexation of Crimea. A president of Ukraine "elected", ran an administration so corrupt the people revolted. Curiously enough, the ousted president ran straight to Russia for asylum... After which, Russia annexed Crimea, and invaded the Ukraine. Now, fueling the fire are rebels who are Russian sympathizers. The KGB, (which of course, "no longer exists), is in a perfect position to, "mingle in the crowd", in order to stir up pro Russian sentiment in the disputed sections. Our "CIA" doesn't exist either, it's just a bunch of paper pushers nowadays..

So Vladimir Putin wants to reassemble the Warsaw Pact, and one day, he might be playing at a town square near you. But that's OK, because you have, "one man, one vote". (y)

 

[Toque]

Hillary Clinton Won the election b receiving over 2,000,000 more votes than Trump. Trump, at least for now, appears to have won the electoral college, in his own words, "a disgusting rigged system".

Its interesting to note that some people are so adamant about going after a few cases of alleged "voter fraud" where ineligible voters actually cast a vote, that they will disqualify 100,000 of eligible voters via burdensome "proof" tactics (if they were serious on implelmentation they would provide reasonable transition rules), and ignore the case of 2,000,000 votes that did not count (actually, statistical experts are predicting that HRC will beat DJT by 2,700,000 or 2.7% of the vote when all votes are counted).

The electoral college has proven, once again, to be the biggest voter fraud perpetrated on our country in history. Time to rename it the "electoral fraud"!

You're dead wrong and don't know your own Constitution. It's called United State(s) because it's a Republic of 50 "Independent" States. In short, the electoral college gives every State a say in the election.

Also take out all the millions of Illegals voting in Blue states and Hillary didn't even win the popular vote.

 

[Puiu]

@Puiu OK, this is a heartwarming story but, Communist block countries are notorious, (at least in the west), for candidates hand picked by Russia, often running unopposed.

This should be self evident in light of the recent events in The Ukraine, and the Russian annexation of Crimea. A president of Ukraine "elected", ran an administration so corrupt the people revolted. Curiously enough, the ousted president ran straight to Russia for asylum... After which, Russia annexed Crimea, and invaded the Ukraine. Now, fueling the fire are rebels who are Russian sympathizers. The KGB, (which of course, "no longer exists), is in a perfect position to, "mingle in the crowd", in order to stir up pro Russian sentiment in the disputed sections. Our "CIA" doesn't exist either, it's just a bunch of paper pushers nowadays..

So Vladimir Putin wants to reassemble the Warsaw Pact, and one day, he might be playing at a town square near you. But that's OK, because you have, "one man, one vote". (y)

Our current president is of a germanic minority and was voted mostly by young people and those who have a higher education. This is the furthest away from communism as you can get. Romania is also very anti-russia and we are the ones who hate them the most in the EU. What you said just stems from the fact that you don't know what is happening outside of the US besides a few things that you heard from the news.

And besides, what you said has nothing to the do with the simple fact that 1 vote from an american citizen is considered to be more valuable than the vote of another. America, the most "democratic" country in the world, has one of the most undemocratic voting systems in the world.

Don't switch the topic from this simple fact to 3rd world countries and Putin. You should never compare the US with such countries.

1 vote should never be worth more than another! All people are equal!

 

[davislane1]

And besides, what you said has nothing to the do with the simple fact that 1 vote from an american citizen is considered to be more valuable than the vote of another. America, the most "democratic" country in the world, has one of the most undemocratic voting systems in the world.

1 vote should never be worth more than another! All people are equal!

Except all people are not equal nor should a simple majority be permitted authority to rule over vast swathes of land merely because they have greater numbers on a spreadsheet. This is why we have the Electoral College.

 

[Puiu]

Except all people are not equal nor should a simple majority be permitted authority to rule over vast swathes of land merely because they have greater numbers on a spreadsheet. This is why we have the Electoral College.

"This is why we have the Electoral College." -- you don't really read your own constitution do you? I, who am not from the US, know more about it than you. what you said can only be viewed a childish comment.
What makes you more "special" compared to your neighbour?

 

[davislane1]

"This is why we have the Electoral College." -- you don't really read your own constitution do you? I, who am not from the US, know more about it than you. what you said can only be viewed a childish comment.
What makes you more "special" compared to your neighbour?

Dunno. Would have to determine which neighbor we're talking about, now wouldn't we?

Edit: Figured I'd tack this on, since you seem to be a Constitutional expert of some sort. Next time you claim something goes against the U.S. Constitution, do go and actually read it first: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html

 

[captaincranky]

....[ ]......And besides, what you said has nothing to the do with the simple fact that 1 vote from an american citizen is considered to be more valuable than the vote of another. America, the most "democratic" country in the world, has one of the most undemocratic voting systems in the world....[ ]...

Unfortunately, our emphasis on capitalism makes us into somewhat of a "meritocracy". still, our two party system works out for the best as a checks and balances paradigm. Personally though, I would like to see "mix and match" values such as Republicans backing "Planned parenthood" initiatives, and jail time for anyone involved in "right to life" fringe lunacy.

Ah well, at least we live under one set of values for a finite period, at which point we get sick of it, and get rid of the offending party.

Don't switch the topic from this simple fact to 3rd world countries and Putin. You should never compare the US with such countries.

Oh gosh, "the third world" is here at Techspot running its mouth loudly and at great length telling us how our government should be run, I just figured I'd return the favor..(y)

1 vote should never be worth more than another! All people are equal!

I call "bullsh!t", and denounce the need for your tantrums in red ink.

In a "utopian society" that might be true. One in which people were voting purely on the someone's merit as a leader. But, as long as old grudges, the advertising industry, man's ability to perjure himself, and lack of equality in education exist, one vote will never in actuality, be worth truly as much as another.

The point that you've completely missed, and continue to mindlessly dodge, is that each one of our states, is the equivalent of the country of Romania. When taken in that context, within any state's borders, "one man does equal one vote", and the candidate with the most votes wins that state".

If the Warsaw Pact were reassembled into something such as, "The United States of Eastern Europe", you'd be crying your eyes out, while begging for a system such as our electoral college be put in place.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Getting a real education in here. For the record I consider Canada a oligarchy, but some say it's really a plutocracy. I dunno

 

[Puiu]

Unfortunately, our emphasis on capitalism makes us into somewhat of a "meritocracy". still, our two party system works out for the best as a checks and balances paradigm. Personally though, I would like to see "mix and match" values such as Republicans backing "Planned parenthood" initiatives, and jail time for anyone involved in "right to life" fringe lunacy.

Ah well, at least we live under one set of values for a finite period, at which point we get sick of it, and get rid of the offending party.
Oh gosh, "the third world" is here at Techspot running its mouth loudly and at great length telling us how our government should be run, I just figured I'd return the favor..(y)

I call "bullsh!t", and denounce the need for your tantrums in red ink.

In a "utopian society" that might be true. One in which people were voting purely on the someone's merit as a leader. But, as long as old grudges, the advertising industry, man's ability to perjure himself, and lack of equality in education exist, one vote will never in actuality, be worth truly as much as another.

The point that you've completely missed, and continue to mindlessly dodge, is that each one of our states, is the equivalent of the country of Romania. When taken in that context, within any state's borders, "one man does equal one vote", and the candidate with the most votes wins that state".

If the Warsaw Pact were reassembled into something such as, "The United States of Eastern Europe", you'd be crying your eyes out, while begging for a system such as our electoral college be put in place.

you can call it BS all you want, it's still 100% true.

all I can read here from Trump supporters are racist remarks, xenophobic remarks, extremist remarks and elitism which is really sad. fear and hatred won on that day.

but not all is lost. fortunately Trump won't be able to do the majority of the things he said simply because it's impossible. ^_^

 

[captaincranky]

you can call it BS all you want, it's still 100% true.

all I can read here from Trump supporters are racist remarks, xenophobic remarks, extremist remarks and elitism which is really sad. fear and hatred won on that day.

but not all is lost. fortunately Trump won't be able to do the majority of the things he said simply because it's impossible. ^_^

And all I read from you is crap, a poor understanding of the US government, and a bizarre, bloated, and idealized impression of your country's "democracy", which to my understanding, just came into being recently.

If we want to start character assassination and pass it off as fact, the "Roma" aren't exactly well thought of the world around.

You have a perverse and obsessive preoccupation with United States politics. Speaking for myself, on the world's stage, Romania doesn't appear to mean squat. I don't feel obligated to read your newspapers, or care who your elected officials are.

To continue, nobody here really needs your take on what you think Trump supporters are or aren't. On a national scale, in 2015, the US did 2.1 billion dollars worth of trade with Romania. The US Federal Budget for the same period was 3.8 trillion dollars. Do the math, you don't matter

 

[Puiu]

And all I read from you is crap, a poor understanding of the US government, and a bizarre, bloated, and idealized impression of your country's "democracy", which to my understanding, just came into being recently.

If we want to start character assassination and pass it off as fact, the "Roma" aren't exactly well thought of the world around.

You have a perverse and obsessive preoccupation with United States politics. Speaking for myself, on the world's stage, Romania doesn't appear to mean squat. I don't feel obligated to read your newspapers, or care who your elected officials are.

To continue, nobody here really needs your take on what you think Trump supporters are or aren't. On a national scale, in 2015, the US did 2.1 billion dollars worth of trade with Romania. The US Federal Budget for the same period was 3.8 trillion dollars. Do the math, you don't matter

ok, dude, you are the boss, the rest of the world doesn't exist for you elitist americans.

 

[captaincranky]

ok, dude, you are the boss, the rest of the world doesn't exist for you elitist americans.

Is that your problem with us, the one which makes you think you could run this place better than we can?

BTW, I always capitalize Romania, please show the United States the same courtesy and respect..

 

[Darth Shiv]

You're dead wrong and don't know your own Constitution. It's called United State(s) because it's a Republic of 50 "Independent" States. In short, the electoral college gives every State a say in the election.

Also take out all the millions of Illegals voting in Blue states and Hillary didn't even win the popular vote.

How do illegals register to vote? Serious question...

 

[captaincranky]

How do illegals register to vote? Serious question...

Well supposedly they somehow manage to get social security numbers. Whether or not that's urban legend or not, is anybody's guess. And since Latinos, (or any other minority group), tend to cluster in certain areas, where there are established support organizations to deal with their issues, it would be hard to say whether or not a sympathetic ear can work the system to get them registered to vote or not. Or for that matter, if they even want to vote.

I certainly don't pretend to speak with authority, as does Mr. Toque.

I will say I've met many Latinos, legal and otherwise, and all of them have been polite and hard working, quite unlike a big chunk of our home grown crap.

They certainly don't refer to one another with a unique ethnic slur, over and over again, as does our home grown, so called, "minority(s)".

 

[Dukeraider2]

How do illegals register to vote? Serious question...

Well supposedly they somehow manage to get social security numbers. Whether or not that's urban legend or not, is anybody's guess. And since Latinos, (or any other minority group), tend to cluster in certain areas, where there are established support organizations to deal with their issues, it would be hard to say whether or not a sympathetic ear can work the system to get them registered to vote or not. Or for that matter, if they even want to vote.

I certainly don't pretend to speak with authority, as does Mr. Toque.

I will say I've met many Latinos, legal and otherwise, and all of them have been polite and hard working, quite unlike a big chunk of our home grown crap.

They certainly don't refer to one another with a unique ethnic slur, over and over again, as does our home grown, so called, "minority(s)".

I agreed with your first statement about Latinos to a degree... it's not all roses in their regard but sure whatever, but then you had to slip in the tongue in cheek race baiting at the end there now didn't you. what a shame. ;|

Sir, just keep it classy no one needs nor wants to hear that toxic tripe. Seeing as you admit that you "certainly don't pretend to speak with any authority"... Am now left to wonder how you've forgotten your initial pretense so abruptly? lol

 

[captaincranky]

I agreed with your first statement about Latinos to a degree... it's not all roses in their regard but sure whatever, but then you had to slip in the tongue in cheek race baiting at the end there now didn't you. what a shame. ;|

Sir, just keep it classy no one needs nor wants to hear that toxic tripe. Seeing as you admit that you "certainly don't pretend to speak with any authority"... Am now left to wonder how you've forgotten your initial pretense so abruptly? lol

I am the last white homeowner on an all black block of renters, and squatters, most of whom sell heroine or crack cocaine. The only white people I see on the street are those desperate addicted souls coming around to beg for their fix.

The "African American" woman who lives on the corner likes to brag about how she "works". Said work amounts to a couple of hours a day in "childcare" ! For this she has been given a house to live in free of charge via, "Section 8".

Both her "grandson", and another live in "scarecrow" deal those little plastic packets 24/7, along with another 2 to 4 guest dealers. And yes, the music you hear coming out of the cars and houses, is vulgar, profane, limited in scope of imagination to what the "singer" knows about the shootings, his b****hes, and how much bling he has now that he's a "rap artist". That famous "N word", occurs about every couple of sentences.

I know you'd like me to think these goings on are my "imagination", but quite frankly I've been called "that old head white m****r f**ker", often enough, to know when I hear the term "racist", at least in my environment, or coming from you, it's a question of "the black calling the kettle pot".

So, I'm not about to listen to an idealized and fabricated lesson on manners and "racial sensitivity" from you, change my opinion on that which what I've seen, lived, and experienced, with my own two eyes.

I have plenty of respect and admiration for African Americans who deserve it. But, I'm not "class blind". Unfortunately, many middle and upper class blacks, seem to have a soft spot in theirs hearts for the useless brand of ghetto trash with which I have to "deal". < (pun intended).

In other words, nothing is "race baiting" more so than the crap which passes for music in the black community. How about if we listen to some "together":? https://www.amazon.com/Reasonable-Doubt-Explicit-Jay-Z/dp/B00000HZG9 If that doesn't have enough foul, ethnocentric slurs in it to make you happy, I can try and find some that does. After all, your opinion of me "matters", and I want you to vote for me should I ever run for office.

 

[Vilmos]

If there was hacking I guess it was more in favor of Clinton.

 

[captaincranky]

If there was hacking I guess it was more in favor of Clinton.

Well, the woman who is starting this nonsense, ran a distant third in a party consisting of mostly of "tree huggers in the extreme". Were she to actually be elected, nothing would ever get done, because of possible damage to the environment.

I do lament greatly the loss of our forests, and the fact plastic must pass for the natural beauty of wood these days. It just that I think the human race eventually, (and sooner than later), will breed itself off the face of the earth anyway. Now if we had a "free abortion and mandatory vasectomy party", we would likely use much less in the way of woods, and other resources.

Moving on to what I actually intended to say. This puta is either wracked with guilt because she feels she has siphoned enough votes off of Clinton to lose the election for her. Or, is desperately trying to amplify how much she actually "matters", or is a "force to be reckoned with", in American politics.When judging by the number of votes she received, she clearly isn't.

To a certain extent though, Trump more or less had this coming. After all, wasn't he the one screaming the loudest about potential fraud at polling places. He also placed workers at potential "trouble spots", to monitor the comings and goings of those visiting the polling places. I met and talked to one, and he was a pretty nice guy.

So as they say, "what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander", a platitude very apropos, considering the "boys versus the girls", makeup of the ballot, and the general sentiments of the voters as well.

I certainly hope the recount doesn't change anything, and this woman, having hijacked her "15 minutes of fame", fades back into obscurity. (Although I fear greatly, we won't be that lucky).