Romania's election results annulled after systems saw over 85,000 cyberattacks

When an election result is overturned due to cyberattacks, it’s definitely news-
The cyberattacks didn't change a single recorded vote. Yet the ruling party -- which lost the election -- refused to concede and threw out the results.

Even worse for your argument is that the ruling annulling the election didn't even mention "cyberattacks" at all. Their first claim was that "foreign-controlled social media accounts" had swayed voters.
 
Trump said Putin is a genius when he invaded Ukraine.
To correct the record, Trump stated that Putin's initial labeling of his troops as a "peacekeeping force" was a "genius move". And it was -- as it effectively kept Ukraine or anyone else from moving against them.

Then Putin unwisely decided to topple the Kiev government entirely, and directly attacked Ukraine's front line troops, intending a blitzkrieg assault on Kiev.
 
Trump said Putin is a genius when he invaded Ukraine. Is he a Russian agent? I don't know exactly what he meant when he said we have to learn from Russian wisdom, but I don't belittle Russian people to make the assumption it's something bad and then he was right about a majority of ethnic Russians living in Dombas. He said some stupid things, but also extremely important ones for us Romanians, no politician ever said before. Is he a liar? Maybe or maybe not. I'm not here to defend this guy, but unless proven in court, innuendos and tangent allegations only bring paranoia.
"Trump said Putin is a genius when he invaded Ukraine." - congrats on proving my point. comparing him to trump is exactly what I wanted you to do.

"I don't know exactly what he meant when he said we have to learn from Russian wisdom" - why don't you know? seriously, why? there is a pattern with you and these things... you never know.

"allegations only bring paranoia." - said the people who are spreading paranoia propaganda about war and religious hyperboles.
 
"allegations only bring paranoia." - said the people who are spreading paranoia propaganda about war.
War concerns aren't "paranoia". There's war now in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria -- none of which existed four years ago. And the US has gone from sanctions to indirect support to now admitting they're directly engaged directly in a proxy war with Russia. The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists states the world is now closer to global nuclear war than at any other point in history. Perhaps you should raise the blinders on your apartment window and look outside.
 
"I don't see how he could do that" - So, let me get this straight, you are voting for him because you think he can't implement his stupid ideas?

"as long as we are providing Ukraine with weapons, we are taking a part in the war." - if we didn't do it, moldova would have been the next step. do you think that transnistria would not have joined russia fully immediately if it shared a border and that russia would have let moldova to even vote to join the EU?
I think Moldova is a part of Romania. Period. They should join us and not be a separate entity in the EU, because of our historical background. Also, I said I agree with sending help to Ukraine, but not troops. Any county in NATO yes, in Moldova yes, they are our brothers, it's our duty and we will defend ourselves, but not in other peoples wars.
Do I vote for him because of his stupid ideas?No, I would vote for his great ideas, none of you seem to care about because you are immediately dismissing it as fantasy. Is he the right choice? I have no idea, but seeing the whole oligarchical system foaming at the mouth against this one guy, the same people that go from one party to another to stay in power and robbed blind Romania for 35 years, makes me wonder. But I don't have that choice anyway, because it was taken away by bureaucracy. That's why I said, prove it without any doubt before taking away people freedoms, ironically in the name of freedom.
 
War concerns aren't "paranoia". There's war now in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria -- none of which existed four years ago. And the US has gone from sanctions to indirect support to now admitting they're directly engaged directly in a proxy war with Russia. The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists states the world is now closer to global nuclear war than at any other point in history. Perhaps you should raise the blinders on your apartment window and look outside.
"War concerns aren't "paranoia"." - yes they are when you spread fake information about it. do you even know how many "tanks in the streets" videos were made? or how many stupid messages that the army is re-introducing forced recruitment?

"blinders" - this only applies to people who don't know what they are talking about like emmzo which likes to say "I don't know" often.
 
I think Moldova is a part of Romania. Period. They should join us and not be a separate entity in the EU, because of our historical background. Also, I said I agree with sending help to Ukraine, but not troops. Any county in NATO yes, in Moldova yes, they are our brothers, it's our duty and we will defend ourselves, but not in other peoples wars.
Do I vote for him because of his stupid ideas?No, I would vote for his great ideas, none of you seem to care about because you are immediately dismissing it as fantasy. Is he the right choice? I have no idea, but seeing the whole oligarchical system foaming at the mouth against this one guy, the same people that go from one party to another to stay in power and robbed blind Romania for 35 years, makes me wonder. But I don't have that choice anyway, because it was taken away by bureaucracy. That's why I said, prove it without any doubt before taking away people freedoms, ironically in the name of freedom.
"Also, I said I agree with sending help to Ukraine, but not troops." - so... where are our troops there?

"for his great ideas" - so you voted him because he thinks women should focus on having children, foreign countries should get out of our country and that he's the chosen saviour by God who will stop all wars.
 
"Trump said Putin is a genius when he invaded Ukraine." - congrats on proving my point. comparing him to trump is exactly what I wanted you to do.

"I don't know exactly what he meant when he said we have to learn from Russian wisdom" - why don't you know? seriously, why? there is a pattern with you and these things... you never know.

"allegations only bring paranoia." - said the people who are spreading paranoia propaganda about war and religious hyperboles.
I'm not, you people, we are all Romanians, me and you, get this through your head, not everyone thinks the same and the ones that think differently are to be insulted.
 
"War concerns aren't "paranoia"." - yes they are when you spread fake information about it. do you even know how many "tanks in the streets" videos were made? or how many stupid messages that the army is re-introducing forced recruitment?

"blinders" - this only applies to people who don't know what they are talking about like emmzo which likes to say "I don't know" often.
I don't know everything, man, but you know who does know everything, who is always sure of being right? It's the definition of stupidity and please don't take it personally, just look it up.
 
This was from today. You keep bashing Orange man, but why is it all the cheating and lying comes from the other side. Weird.
This is a statement from some in which he can't provide any solid proof of his claims, just like every claim about fraudulent election results in 2020 made by every Republican proven false...on the other hand with Elon Musk all we have to see is his own videos made bribing people to register as Republicans and vote.
 
The cyberattacks didn't change a single recorded vote. Yet the ruling party -- which lost the election -- refused to concede and threw out the results.

Even worse for your argument is that the ruling annulling the election didn't even mention "cyberattacks" at all. Their first claim was that "foreign-controlled social media accounts" had swayed voters.
Obviously it wasn't about the recorded votes, it's about the illegal campaign.

If you think people should be allowed to commit illegal activities then that's your problem. the Court ruled correctly and the elections were stopped before harm was done.
 
I don't know everything, man, but you know who does know everything, who is always sure of being right? It's the definition of stupidity and please don't take it personally, just look it up.
you only seem to know the "good things" about him which you like to repeat online. but when it comes to uncomfortable truths, you just don't know. how convenient.

you still haven't answered me the question about his views on women and their "role". yes or no? or you don't know about what he SAID again?

let me guess, you also don't know this one:
"Mișcarea Legionară, atunci când se va scrie istoria adevărată (...) se va arăta că a fost cea mai puternică esență șI expresie de sănătate șI de voință proprie venită din poporul român" - CG 2020

here's who the legionaries were:
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Now you understand why it's banned by law? You should recognize some of the people in the picture from the history books.

I feel like I'm hitting you with a sledge hammer repeatedly and you are telling me that the broken bones and organs which are flying out of you are just a figment of my imagination.
 
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you only seem to know the "good things" about him which you like to repeat online. but when it comes to uncomfortable truths, you just don't know. how convenient.

you still haven't answered me the question about his views on women and their "role". yes or no? or you don't know about what he SAID again?

let me guess, you also don't know this one:
"Mișcarea Legionară, atunci când se va scrie istoria adevărată (...) se va arăta că a fost cea mai puternică esență șI expresie de sănătate șI de voință proprie venită din poporul român" - CG 2020

here's who the legionaries were:
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Now you understand why it's banned by law? You should recognize some of the people in the picture from the history books.

I feel like I'm hitting you with a sledge hammer repeatedly and you are telling me that the broken bones and organs which are flying out of you are just a figment of my imagination.
Is that him next to Antonescu? Get real, nobody proved he is involved in any Legion activity, nor that he is a Nazi sympathiser or antisemitic, because again, it's against the law in Romania and he should have been arrested by now. Also, I'm not his attorney, his personal opinions are his own. I don't have to agree on anything he says or explain to you what he was thinking about when he made this and that statement. Women that know him on RealitateaTV, the only station that dares to present a moderate take on the subject, absolutely reject that he is misogynistic, yet whatever he said it's taken out of context and as you put it, sledgehammered to make a point.
And so, I'll also sledgehammer it back to you. If he is guilty of any wrong doing, by all means, get him. Ok, nobody in the Romanian security bothered to check a presidential candidate? Are they so stupid? Let's assume yes. Ok, do it now. That's why I said let's wait as it unfolds and stop being paranoid. But don't make a fuss about it with no actual proof and take my right to vote. What if Simion, the right wing party leader comes up on top at the next election. Ban him too, because you don't like it? What am I to believe of my free vote? We'll just keep voting until the "right" guy wins? Moreover, they said the elections were corrupted. But only the presidential election, not the parliamentary elections, where they won and have majority. How's that for selective censorship? Can you trust at this point anything the established political class says?
 
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Is that him next to Antonescu? Get real, nobody proved he is involved in any Legion activity, nor that he is a Nazi sympathiser or antisemitic, because again, it's against the law in Romania and he should have been arrested by now. Also, I'm not his attorney, his personal opinions are his own. I don't have to agree on anything he says or explain to you what he was thinking about when he made this and that statement. Women that know him on RealitateaTV, the only station that dares to present a moderate take on the subject, absolutely reject that he is misogynistic, yet whatever he said it's taken out of context and as you put it, sledgehammered to make a point.
And so, I'll also sledgehammer it back to you. If he is guilty of any wrong doing, by all means, get him. Ok, nobody in the Romanian security bothered to check a presidential candidate? Are they so stupid? Let's assume yes. Ok, do it now. That's why I said let's wait as it unfolds and stop being paranoid. But don't make a fuss about it with no actual proof and take my right to vote. What if Simion, the right wing party leader comes up on top at the next election. Ban him too, because you don't like it? What am I to believe of my free vote? We'll just keep voting until the "right" guy wins?
pffff hahahaha. "nobody proved". dude you are just emberrasing yourself. just another "I don't know" comment. at this point it's just simple gaslighting.

they are WEARING the uniform of the legionnaires and in that picture there's also Horia Sima. they were commemorating Corneliu Zelea Codreanu alongside the nazi german ambassador and the regional nazi party leader. the totalitarian regime Antonescu led was called the National Legionary State. these are the people CG and you are trying to make out as "heroes"

why do I need to teach you basic history? you are literally trying to deny known facts to defend this traitor. no wonder you are screaming "no proof". you have both eyes black and a broken nose from the proof hitting you in the face repeatedly and you still refuse to accept the facts.

"it's taken out of context" - ok, you tell me the context. and you still haven't answered my question, you just dodged it.

"What if Simion, the right wing party leader comes up on top at the next election" - you do realize that Simion is backing CG, right? you don't want Simion, but you'll vote what he wants. ok dude. I think I've destroyed destroying your "opinions" with known facts so much that you stopped using logic altogether :)

in the end you simply want to "freely" vote for an illegal candidate who thinks the nazi/legionaries are "heroes", acts like putin, loves russian "wisdom", said that he has no trouble getting out of NATO if he doesn't like it anymore, said that ukraine is an invented state, uses ultra religious jargon, spent "zero" money on the campaign, said he wants to nationalize foreign companies like communists do, said that women can't be presidents and that their role is to make children, etc etc

it seems that everything he says is just "taken out context" for you.

FYI: you mentioned Realitatea TV. they were fined multiple times in the last few days because of spreading disinformation, including using a deep fake of Robert Kennedy Jr and Tucker Carlson as if to show that they are supporting CG. and the fines keep coming :)
 
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pffff hahahaha. "nobody proved". dude you are just emberrasing yourself. just another "I don't know" comment. at this point it's just simple gaslighting.

they are WEARING the uniform of the legionnaires and in that picture there's also Horia Sima. they were commemorating Corneliu Zelea Codreanu alongside the nazi german ambassador and the regional nazi party leader. the totalitarian regime Antonescu led was called the National Legionary State. these are the people CG and you are trying to make out as "heroes"

why do I need to teach you basic history? you are literally trying to deny known facts to defend this traitor. no wonder you are screaming "no proof". you have both eyes black and a broken nose from the proof hitting you in the face repeatedly and you still refuse to accept the facts.

"it's taken out of context" - ok, you tell me the context. and you still haven't answered my question, you just dodged it.

"What if Simion, the right wing party leader comes up on top at the next election" - you do realize that Simion is backing CG, right? you don't want Simion, but you'll vote what he wants. ok dude. I think I've destroyed destroying your "opinions" with known facts so much that you stopped using logic altogether :)

in the end you simply want to "freely" vote for an illegal candidate who thinks the nazi/legionaries are "heroes", acts like putin, loves russian "wisdom", said that he has no trouble getting out of NATO if he doesn't like it anymore, said that ukraine is an invented state, uses ultra religious jargon, spent "zero" money on the campaign, said he wants to nationalize foreign companies like communists do, said that women can't be presidents and that their role is to make children, etc etc

it seems that everything he says is just "taken out context" for you.

FYI: you mentioned Realitatea TV. they were fined multiple times in the last few days because of spreading disinformation, including using a deep fake of Robert Kennedy Jr and Tucker Carlson as if to show that they are supporting CG. and the fines keep coming :)
Parroting partisan media with a passion, I see. Agree to disagree. Time will tell! Take care!
 
"voter registration websites"? There's no such thing in Romania.

Here you don't need to register to vote. Every citizen is already registered in a state-administered database, which stores data about each birth, civil status event (like marriage, divorce) and death.
Based on this information, before any election, the electoral authority compiles a list of voters which is then split up between voting stations, based on each voting age person's official address (domicile). Some specifics may apply only to Romanians living abroad ("the diaspora"), because it's impractical to expect them to vote in the country, at their domiciles.
On election day, every citizen is expected (not mandated, though) to be present at the voting station for his domicile, to present the official ID card (which is scanned into the system to avoid multiple voting) then to vote using paper ballots. There is no mail voting. In special circumstances, designated members of the voting station may visit specific voters (ex. elderly persons, hospital patients), if previously they or their relatives filed a demand for this.
At the end of election day (one in Romania, typically a Sunday; up to three days, abroad, typically ending on a Sunday), the votes are counted by the members of the local voting station bureau (a politically unaffiliated president and likewise a lieutenant, and several other members delegated by political parties). After that, summarizing official papers are filled. Each voting station member receives a copy of those papers. Then the ballots are centralized (physically, as bags of paper votes) to a designated location and the papers are registered at the voting circumscription.
By the next day, usually, the results throughout the entire country and the diaspora are centralized and announced at regular intervals.
The entire process papers are then submitted for validation by legally designated regulatory or judicial bodies. Interested parties may file contestations, which may result in severe cases in voiding the entire electoral process (though this situation you're describing in the article was the first of its kind in Romania's history).
 
Parroting partisan media with a passion, I see. Agree to disagree. Time will tell! Take care!
so you are calling CG a "partisan media"? since I've only been repeating his words to you. I don't "disagree" with you, there is nothing to disagree with, I just presented you HIS words, and you said "I don't know".
 
Until the Eastern EU states break the Bolsheviks' stranglehold, they will continue to suffer. The last thing the Bolsheviks will allow is the loss of control over Romania. Look what they are doing to Hungary. I'm surprised they haven't started calling the Romanians RW Nazis since Romania wants to leave the EU and drop the euro. Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia, etc. have been under the thumb of the Bolsheviks for so long-Poland for 800+ years.
Actually mate, NO, we fckin' do NOT want to leave the EU.
I live in that country, which might be a sh!thole for many reasons, but 100%, DEFINITELY, the EU isn't one of them. Rampant corruption, poor roads and uneducated people are the main reasons. That and the years after years of communism, indoctrination and fearmongering from Russian traitors and puppets of the Kremlin.
No one in his right mind would abandon the freedom, money and goodwill of the EU to go for the Russian empire. Unfortunately, we aren't quite in our right mind. Following an unpopular vaccination campaign back during the pandemic, which resulted in anti-vaxxer voices getting louder and louder, the next-door war in Ukraine and the economic consequences of some of the Brussel's green policies brought the discontent of the average Ion (that's akin to average Joe) to the level that people would vote against the current day political class leadership.
The fact that the social democratic party (PSD) which is the largest in the country, increased taxation each time they were in power only added fuel to the fire
The problem is the alternative "sovereign" parties are nothing but illiterate, poorly educated, aggressive anti EU and anti NATO members of Putin puppets. The lack of a powerful democratic figure that manages to inspire and unite people, such as Churchill, Thatcher or Reagan for the part of the world is painstakingly obvious.
However, the decision to cancel the elections was correct, otherwise you would risk a civil war. Romania is at a crossroad, and our former neighbor Russia was NEVER a friendly one.,
 
What year is it?
Yeah, well I would dare you to perform, you know, a simple Google search, as that would have provided you info on that. Yes, you'd think something as trivial as XSS (Cross Site Scripting) was long dead and buried. However, that very "obsolete" threat is the number one vulnerability in 2024 as per MITRE.
So stop mocking stuff before checking it. Yes, there were tens of thousands of attacks against the state institutions taking care of the elections during November and December here in Romania.
 
I hear that suggestion all the time lately, but nobody says anything of substance when I ask how Biden et al, caused them. Anything?
Groups like Cato were predicting a full year before the invasion that Biden's Ukraine policies would lead to all-out war with Russia ... and that was before Biden wrote a NATO MAP for Ukraine and held NATO 'training exercises' in Ukraine, only a few miles from the Russian border. After months of publicly stating that membership for Ukraine was "non-negotiable" and refusing to hold talks on the issue, Biden sent Kamala to the Munich Security Conference to tell the world that it was now "in Ukraine's own hands". Russia invaded five days later.

As for the Middle East, It wasn't until Biden dropped sanctions on Iran, giving them tens of billions of dollars in new oil revenues, that they gave Hamas the green-light for the Oct 7 terror attack. And in Syria, the US has long supported the radical Islamist terror groups that finally managed to overthrow Assad.
 
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So stop mocking stuff before checking it. Yes, there were tens of thousands of attacks against the state institutions taking care of the elections during November and December here in Romania.
The fact remains that the publicly stated reason for cancelling the election results had nothing whatsoever to do with this, but rather the claim that "foreign social media accounts" had "unfairly promoted" the winning candidate.

It's your country. If you fellows feel you need to destroy democracy to "save" it, knock yourselves out.
 
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If you think people should be allowed to commit illegal activities then that's your problem. the Court ruled correctly and the elections were stopped before harm was done.
Stuff and nonsense. If here in the US, I had gone on social media and "unfairly promoted" the incumbent candidate, would that be grounds to cancel his win? Let me explain how justice works. If and when crimes were committed -- you prove your accusation in court, then punish the perpetrator. Not someone else.
 
Stuff and nonsense. If here in the US, I had gone on social media and "unfairly promoted" the incumbent candidate, would that be grounds to cancel his win? Let me explain how justice works. If and when crimes were committed -- you prove your accusation in court, then punish the perpetrator. Not someone else.
Yes, it would grounds to cancel the elections and that's exactly what happened. The elections were influenced by illegal funds from foreign countries. Not some random schmuck with too much money. Vote manipulation and non-transparent funding are illegal.

"you prove your accusation in court" - The financing used in the pro-CG propaganda was PROVEN to be illegal according to the Romanian constitution (alongside other illegal activities). The highest court in Romania decided based on the presented evidence to cancel the elections. What we are doing now is arresting/taking to court people close to CG. And CG will also go to court soon (it will just a bit longer since it's not an easy task for the prosecutors).

Your personal justice means nothing. The US constitution also heavily regulates campaigns and their financing. Are the Romanian and US constitutions optional to you?

Honestly though... he declared ZERO money was spent on his campaign and was caught lying about knowing the people who were "generous" enough with millions of $ to help him. This should be enough for you to suspect foul play... but here you are defending a known pro-legionnaire (aka pro-nazi agenda), pro-russian (his words), pro-misogyny (his words), and pro-communist economic changes (akin to what Putin wants to do too and is used in China). Every time CG speaks he says something even more stupid and outrageous.... "the state owning 51% of foreign companies" my ars - even a child can tell you just how stupid it is.
 
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The US constitution also heavily regulates campaigns and their funding. Are the Romanian and US constitutions optional to you?
LOL, what? The US Constitution does not "regulate campaigns and their funding" -- nor, I believe, does your Romanian Constitution. And you and I both know that had the incumbent won, there would have been no such ruling, despite the fact that many "foreign social media accounts" expressed support for him.

I note this isn't the first time the Romanian ruling fascists have tried this. They banned another candidate from even running for President last year -- an attack that caused a breakup of your ruling coalition, when the National Liberal Party withdrew in disgust over the politically motivated ruling.

Edit: having glanced at the Romanian Constitution, its only reference to candidates is that they not "militate against ... the sovereignty, integrity or independence of Romania". By that touchstone, your current pro-EU candidate is constitutionally barred from holding office, as membership in the EU necessitates -- by law -- a partial surrendering of sovereignty -- the entire reason the U.K. had to go through Brexit to regain full independence.
 
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