Facebook no longer removes posts claiming Covid-19 was manufactured
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cliffordcooley
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You know if you had proof to your standpoint. You wouldn't be asking the other side for proof of their standpoint. If you believe all this Covid-19 BS. I really don't care. That is until you come to my door and threaten me. Keep your opinion to yourself. Take all the vaccines you want. But don't you dare come to my door (aka: anywhere I may choose to travel) and force it on me. If you are so paranoid then you stay at home and lock the doors.
When people post opinions that are scientifically disproven, I generally question what information they're using as a basis for their opinion. You know, that curiosity thing. If it was important enough to them to post their opinion, I figure maybe it's important enough for them to follow up with their evidence.
I haven't had anyone knocking on my door spouting their opinions about covid. Where do you live that you get that? I guess I got lucky with my neighborhood.
TheBigFatClown
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You're saying really silly 5hi7. That's the problem. Let's start with your phrase "Scientifically proven". Clarify that for us a bit more please. How many scientists does it take to make the claim "scientifically proven"? I can point to thousands of doctors who call bu775hi7 on this covid show. And scientists as well.
If the vaccine gives true protection against this covid 19 virus then all who fear it are safe from it and all who have no need of it. Go get your shots and tell all your friends and family to get their "emergency use" vaccinations. You'll all be safe and live happily ever after.
Follow the link below and learn how many doctors know it is ridiculous to vaccinate young healthy people. Covid 19 is all about the vaccines. All roads point to the vaccines. No matter what proof can be presented against them. Because....well...you know...billions and billions and billions of dollars are at stake.
Great Barrington Declaration and Petition
As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection
gbdeclaration.org
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You're saying really silly 5hi7. That's the problem. Let's start with your phrase "Scientifically proven". Clarify that for us a bit more please. How many scientists does it take to make the claim "scientifically proven"? I can point to thousands of doctors who call bu775hi7 on this covid show. And scientists as well.
If the vaccine gives true protection against this covid 19 virus then all who fear it are safe from it and all who have no need of it. Go get your shots and tell all your friends and family to get their "emergency use" vaccinations. You'll all be safe and live happily ever after.
Follow the link below and learn how many doctors know it is ridiculous to vaccinate young healthy people. Covid 19 is all about the vaccines. All roads point to the vaccines. No matter what proof can be presented against them. Because....well...you know...billions and billions and billions of dollars are at stake.
Great Barrington Declaration and Petition
As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection
Nice goalpost move, dude. I wonder if anyone was fooled by it?
Perhaps you would like to go back and refresh your memory about my post. I asked for double-blinded scientific evidence to back up your opinions about bogus covid treatments and you just changed the subject.
Because you are unaware of how science works, I'll answer your question:
You need to compare your proposed treatment to a placebo, and an already commonly proven treatment if available, tested in similar people at a similar time. You then compare the results to see if your proposed treatment did any better than the placebo, and the current treatment if there is one.
And it needs to be repeated, preferably by someone else not connected with the work, especially a competitor. It's always fun to disprove crap science.
For starters, hydroxychloroquine failed to improve covid outcomes (as an after-the-infection treatment, a far different use than a vax) and the current suite of vaccines are 65-95% effective at preventing mild covid, and 85-100% prevention of more severe symptoms and hospitalizations.
hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work for Covid... this has been proven over and over again.
It is for malaria and other diseases - and the use of it for covid means we don’t have enough of it to use for them.
Is chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine useful in treating people with COVID-19, or in preventing infection in people who have been exposed to the virus?
"Hydroxychloroquine does not reduce deaths from COVID-19, and probably does not reduce the number of people needing mechanical ventilation."
www.cochrane.org
vitamin d, zinc and any other “miracle cure” are also useless... and have been debunked by every medical professional who isn’t being funded by those specific drugs/cures...
The Truth about Vitamin D and COVID-19
This article was first published in The Montreal Gazette. I am often asked if there is a simple way to prevent or cure COVID-19. I can assure you there is not. If there were, I would not have sat casually by as millions of people around the world got sick and died. Not being a Bond villain, I...
www.mcgill.ca
As for Ivermectin, while it MIGHT work in very specific cases, there is still no hard evidence of this - and it is far more important for fighting other infectious diseases - and since it is in scarce supply, the use of it for covid is causing problems.
Again, do your research, wear a mask, practice social distancing and GET VACCINATED!
oh... and don’t spread misinformation like a tool...
TheBigFatClown
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hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work for Covid... this has been proven over and over again.
It is for malaria and other diseases - and the use of it for covid means we don’t have enough of it to use for them.
Is chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine useful in treating people with COVID-19, or in preventing infection in people who have been exposed to the virus?
"Hydroxychloroquine does not reduce deaths from COVID-19, and probably does not reduce the number of people needing mechanical ventilation."
vitamin d, zinc and any other “miracle cure” are also useless... and have been debunked by every medical professional who isn’t being funded by those specific drugs/cures...
The Truth about Vitamin D and COVID-19
This article was first published in The Montreal Gazette. I am often asked if there is a simple way to prevent or cure COVID-19. I can assure you there is not. If there were, I would not have sat casually by as millions of people around the world got sick and died. Not being a Bond villain, I...www.mcgill.ca
As for Ivermectin, while it MIGHT work in very specific cases, there is still no hard evidence of this - and it is far more important for fighting other infectious diseases - and since it is in scarce supply, the use of it for covid is causing problems.
Again, do your research, wear a mask, practice social distancing and GET VACCINATED!
oh... and don’t spread misinformation like a tool...
Oh okay, well since you asked so nicely. I'll get vaccinated first thing tomorrow morning. Hold your breath, okay?hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work for Covid... this has been proven over and over again.
It is for malaria and other diseases - and the use of it for covid means we don’t have enough of it to use for them.
Is chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine useful in treating people with COVID-19, or in preventing infection in people who have been exposed to the virus?
"Hydroxychloroquine does not reduce deaths from COVID-19, and probably does not reduce the number of people needing mechanical ventilation."
vitamin d, zinc and any other “miracle cure” are also useless... and have been debunked by every medical professional who isn’t being funded by those specific drugs/cures...
The Truth about Vitamin D and COVID-19
This article was first published in The Montreal Gazette. I am often asked if there is a simple way to prevent or cure COVID-19. I can assure you there is not. If there were, I would not have sat casually by as millions of people around the world got sick and died. Not being a Bond villain, I...www.mcgill.ca
As for Ivermectin, while it MIGHT work in very specific cases, there is still no hard evidence of this - and it is far more important for fighting other infectious diseases - and since it is in scarce supply, the use of it for covid is causing problems.
Again, do your research, wear a mask, practice social distancing and GET VACCINATED!
oh... and don’t spread misinformation like a tool...
I'll report back here as soon as I'm done.So, it looks like the study they did on Vitamin D was the type of study they did on hydroxychloroquine. They gave ridiculously rich doses. Vitamin D is a toxic vitamin in mega doses. Please, please, I beg you, stop spreading... wait for it....here it comes.....misinformation. Oh God, yes, I see the appeal of the phrase now. I feel like a God!!!
Also, the study tried to determine whether or not Vitamin-D cures Covid-19. Which I dont believe is the main claim. It's more about preventing sickness from covid 19 than curing it afterwards. So, if we can acknowledge these subtleties than maybe we can learn a few things from each other.
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Rayneofpayne
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I pretty much think this was confirmed early in 2020 by a worker in the lab that came out, and accidentally infected his girlfriend that worked at the fish market. This was always the most likely origin, and both the doctor and him went missing which was thought to have been the Chinese government trying to cover up what happened. Either way by now any evidence is gone and what happened happened time to move forward and get back to normal.
There is absolutely zero evidence that vitamin D successfully cures, prevents or treats COVID in any way.... please provide me with any evidence you have to the contrary.Oh okay, well since you asked so nicely. I'll get vaccinated first thing tomorrow morning. Hold your breath, okay?
So, it looks like the study they did on Vitamin D was the type of study they did on hydroxychloroquine. They gave ridiculously rich doses. Vitamin D is a toxic vitamin in mega doses. Please, please, I beg you, stop spreading... wait for it....here it comes.....misinformation. Oh God, yes, I see the appeal of the phrase now. I feel like a God!!!
Also, the study tried to determine whether or not Vitamin-D cures Covid-19. Which I dont believe is the main claim. It's more about preventing sickness from covid 19 than curing it afterwards. So, if we can acknowledge these subtleties than maybe we can learn a few things from each other.
I understand that you’re just trolling - your nickname gives it away - but I ask you to stop. Even if one fool decides not to vaccinate because of your nonsense, you’ll potentially be endangering lives.
If, however, you seriously want to continue this debate, you will need to provide real evidence.
captaincranky
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What I absorbed from various news sources, is simply the people who were vitamin D deficient, seemed to get sicker than people who weren't.
Since the MDR for vitamin D in adults is only 800 IU, one has to presume massive doses aren't necessary.
Since I drink milk, and milk is vitamin D fortified, I had assumed I was good to go in that regard. However, the levels in milk, (unless you drink at least a half gallon a day), don't meet the MDR. some sunlight would be necessary to make up the difference.
Thus, over winter, I had to conclude that I was D deficient, (little to no solar exposure). Accordingly, I added the lowest dose sold singly (1000 IU) to my daily routine.
Those things being said, (and taking into account I live alone and had as little exposure to other people as possible, while following CDC guidelines), I can't conclude either way what effect vitamin D had on my health.
I can flatly state, the it hasn't given me back the sex drive of my 20's, nor can I now, "leap tall buildings with a single bound". End of story..
There is no news if it is not proven. However, there is also no smoke without fire. When a "new" virus started from a place where labs studying viruses are located, it cannot be a coincidence in my opinion. My only question is if it is an accidental leak or something more sinister as a bio weapon. Coincidentally, the country where the virus started also have almost no cases when the entire world is struggling with it despite vaccine being out in the wild. I can imagine the people that created are the only ones that have the "antidote" to it, so much so that the virus have 0 impact to them.
TheBigFatClown
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Thank You for clarifying what I said but that the vaccine junkie forgot to mention. There is no claim that Vitamin D "cures" Covid19. Only that Vitamin D deficiencies have been seen in people who are most susceptible to the ugliness of the Covid19 virus.
Very well said. But let's not focus on Vitamin-D too long cause ... well ... you know ... it takes the focus off the star of the show ( more like the circus ) ... it's all about ... (drum roll please) the VACCINES!!!! New and Improved!!! That's where not only the money is but also the power and control. Because exposure to sunshine cannot be regulated like the star of our show...the VACCINES!!!
And guess what people...if you thought operation warpspeed was quick, you ain't seen nothing yet. Under the guise of, "We learned so much from concocting the last 3 vaccines. We can get the vaccines out for the 'next' pandemic ( and you damn well better believe its coming, Bill Gates already told us that) even quicker." They'll get it released much faster. It's probably going to be called 'Operation Ridiculously StupidSpeed'. Who needs 6 months of testing if you can get the sheep to be injected in 3 months...60 days...a month of testing?
The propaganda and fear conditioning of the masses is going very well. The end of this conditioning doesn't end well for anybody.
The vaccine junkie never touched my other comments either. If vaccines are the 5hi7 and they protect all of you and your family from this killer virus then get your jab, knock yourself out. Live in your complete happiness bubble with you and all your vaccinated junkie friends and family. And let all of the stupid antivaxxers die off. Its nirvana for all....Yes? YES!!!!!!
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I was quoting YOUR post saying "Vitamin D works".... you also stated that a bunch of other stuff "works" - all of which DO NOT work... I'm noticing you haven't mentioned Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin since you FALSELY claimed that they work in that same post...
And again, while it is POSSIBLE that being vitamin D deficient MIGHT make you slightly more susceptible to Covid - there is 0 evidence for this...
Obviously, you want to be as healthy as you can be - meaning you don't want to be deficient in ANY vitamin or nutrient.... but SCIENCE has already shown us that even if you are young, and 100% healthy, you are still at risk of contracting Covid.
The only sure defense is to be vaccinated - and have the rest of the population vaccinated as well, since even the best vaccines are only 90-95% effective.
So once again, I implore you to stop trolling and stop spreading misinformation. You may very well be endangering lives with your lies.
TheBigFatClown
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Oh my dear vaccine junkie friend. Please use your brains that God gave you and think for a minute about why I didn't mention hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin in my last post. Yes? Firstly I only have so much energy to make my points. I was responding to CaptainCrankys well written post..where he specifically was talking about Vitamin-D. So, my response was in context. See the magic?
You can implore all you want. It's up to you how much energy you want to waste on calling people trolls. You've offered me absolutely nothing on which to change my viewpoints. So, again I'll ask one question that you seem to keep dodging.
If you and all your family get the vaccines and the boosters and the vaccine for the next pandemic...and the next pandemic...and the next...and...well...you get the idea...then you are all safe from stupid people like me, right? I end up dead, all the vaccine junkies are alive. It's a beautiful world...complete Nirvana!!!!! Yes?
I used my brains... and I correctly concluded you didn't mention them because you realized you had 0 evidence for your false assertion.
And you weren't replying to CC when you stated that vitamin d worked originally... but I like the way you move your goalposts whenever you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.
You make it seem like vaccinations are a new scheme to control the population.... yet we've been vaccinating for over 200 years now - when smallpox was slaughtering millions....
Now we don't get smallpox... or measles... or mumps... or polio.... want to know why? VACCINES!!
In a few years, assuming fools like you are in the minority, Covid will simply join those diseases as "stuff that used to be bad but we are now safe from".
Of course, the fewer who vaccinate, the more time it will take to reach that goal.... so stop being a tool and get vaccinated - or failing that, at least stop spreading lies and misinformation that will prevent others from doing so!
Shadowboxer
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I mean it is a massive coincidence that a Virology lab specialising in coronaviruses is just down the road from this Wuhan wet market. There are wet markets everywhere in Asia, there are thousands of them at in China at least. But there arent many labs that specialise in coronavirus.
But this news is more about facebook. We knew China would censor accusations but I think a lot of people wouldnt expect their privately owned American social media corporation to do so. Hopefully as time goes on more and more people will realise what is going on and leave the platform.
But this news is more about facebook. We knew China would censor accusations but I think a lot of people wouldnt expect their privately owned American social media corporation to do so. Hopefully as time goes on more and more people will realise what is going on and leave the platform.
I know... it's tough to actually refute evidence with lies... maybe next time try telling the truth? It's easier, trust me 
cliffordcooley
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That is correct, you do know.
It sure is a massive coincidence. Because there are a lot of bats in the area and if you're going to study bats and their viruses, you go to the source.
Like how there are telescopes all over the planet but they put the Hubble up into space 30 years ago to take the best pictures of space. ....from space.
And there are a lot of labs specializing in lots of coronaviruses all over the world, but the two in Wuhan study bats.
'Cuz there are bats there. Weird.
Yep... but anti-vaxxers tend to ignore logic... makes it a challenge...
Dimitrios
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I would say billions. It sounds better.
TheBigFatClown
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How about this logic. Millions of cases, small amounts of death equals a case fatality rate that is so small it's stupid.
I'll do this for you. I'll get checked for anti-bodies against Covid-19 in my system. I'm 100% sure that I have them since this virus is Sooooooo contagious and deadly and yet I'm still alive.
And after I test positive for antibodies in my system that specifically target Covid-19 I want my antibodies passport/badge awarded to me so that I can wear it on my chest proudly.
"Buh buh buh buh buh we dont know how long those antibodies will stay in your system. Grandma killer!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh okay. Well, here, chew on this.
Study finds that mild COVID-19 induces life-long antibody protection
Months after recovering from mild cases of COVID-19, people still have immune cells which produce antibodies against the novel coronavirus, according to a study
Yes, it's a small fatality rate.... there are 7 BILLION people on this planet give or take... even a really small fatality rate still kills MILLIONS of people...How about this logic. Millions of cases, small amounts of death equals a case fatality rate that is so small it's stupid.
I'll do this for you. I'll get checked for anti-bodies against Covid-19 in my system. I'm 100% sure that I have them since this virus is Sooooooo contagious and deadly and yet I'm still alive.
And after I test positive for antibodies in my system that specifically target Covid-19 I want my antibodies passport/badge awarded to me so that I can wear it on my chest proudly.
"Buh buh buh buh buh we dont know how long those antibodies will stay in your system. Grandma killer!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh okay. Well, here, chew on this.
Study finds that mild COVID-19 induces life-long antibody protection
Months after recovering from mild cases of COVID-19, people still have immune cells which produce antibodies against the novel coronavirus, according to a studywww.edexlive.com
And yes, getting Covid does leave you with antibodies... but we don't have enough evidence to suggest that this leaves you immune to Covid - remember, it's mutating quite quickly (and will continue to do so until we all get vaccinated), so there is no guarantee, even if you are immune now, that you will be next year...
That's why these RNA vaccines are so amazing - they can be tailored or "edited" so that as the disease mutates, they can be adapted to continue to provide protection.
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