FBI says China is behind more cyberattacks on the US than all other nations combined

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In brief: It’s no secret that China is behind many of the hacks on US businesses and government entities, but the sheer number of attacks originating from the Asian nation is massive. According to the FBI, China is responsible for more cyberattacks on the US than every other country combined.

In a speech called Countering Threats Posed by the Chinese Government Inside the US, Federal Bureau of Investigation director Christopher Wray said that the FBI is running over 2,000 investigations focused on the Chinese government trying to steal US information and technology.

“The Chinese government steals staggering volumes of information and causes deep, job-destroying damage across a wide range of industries—so much so that, as you heard, we’re constantly opening new cases to counter their intelligence operations, about every 12 hours or so,” he said.

Wray cites the Microsoft Exchange hack, which impacted the networks of 10,000 American companies, as an example of the damage Chinese hackers can cause US industry. He added that another attack by a Chinese government-owned corporation in which source code was stolen from a US wind turbine company in Massachusetts (American Superconductor) resulted in 600 people losing their jobs. The company responsible, Sinovel, then used the stolen source code to sell wind turbines in the US.

Wray accuses China of stealing key technology to succeed in initiatives such as the Made in China 2025 plan and highlighted how the government can control those companies it doesn’t own “through embedded Chinese Communist Party cells that are required to exist in virtually any Chinese company of any real size.”

In 2015, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed a cybersecurity pact agreeing that neither country would conduct or knowingly support cyber-enabled theft of intellectual property. Reports that China was ignoring the pact came a month after it was signed, and Wray says China has continued to increase the number of attacks in the years since.

The director summed up with, “There is so much good we could do with a responsible Chinese government: crack down on cyber criminals, stop money launderers, reduce opioid overdose deaths. But at the FBI, we’re focused on the reality of the Chinese government today.”

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It's overdue for the US to take some major actions against China starting with a complete cut off of any trading. Yes, it will be painful but companies know in order to do business they have to find countries where that is a peaceful relationship between that country and the US. There are plenty of 2nd and 3rd world countries that would welcome an influx of businesses that already have an established relationship and they would only benefit from it all. Why the Biden administration cannot or will not see this is a mystery ....
 
It's overdue for the US to take some major actions against China starting with a complete cut off of any trading. Yes, it will be painful but companies know in order to do business they have to find countries where that is a peaceful relationship between that country and the US.

It wouldn't be just "painful" it would basically destroy most of the US economy. Everybody greatly underestimates just how much the rest of the world depends on China for manufacturing and people think "Oh well we might have to go without computers and phones for a while" but what happens when rolling blackouts overtake all of the US? What happens when all airports stop functioning one by one? What happens when Hospitals need to stop turning away patients? When most people have to go without food for a couple of weeks since all distribution networks collapsed?

All of these things are possible and viable and I am of the opinion that all countries should start working towards reacting to those scenarios and re-thinking how they offer basic supplies and services to people and start a de-growth process that's oriented towards far more sustainability.

So now that we got that bit out of the way: How do you suppose you can convince 300+ million people that they need to quickly reduce their footprint, grow their own food, collaborate to have self sufficient communities when you can't even get them to wear a damn mask for a couple years to avoid having them die?

Realistically what will happen is a bunch of posturing and maybe even a few proxy wars with China but commerce with them will not stop, simply because it can't stop: in their pursue to save money the US walked into this corner now and there's no easy way to walk out.
 
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Why don't Chinese cyber hackers hack the student loan industry?

Or decrease the mortgage on my 2nd house to $0?
I am sure we would all like to believe that hackers, from anywhere, are in it for our benefit. The reality is, they are in it only for their benefit (or some other tangible goal that they think benefits them), and to the detriment of everyone else.
 
It wouldn't be just "painful" it would basically destroy most of the US economy. Everybody greatly underestimates just how much the rest of the world depends on China for manufacturing and people think "Oh well we might have to go without computers and phones for a while" but what happens when rolling blackouts overtake all of the US? What happens when all airports stop functioning one by one? What happens when Hospitals need to stop turning away patients? When most people have to go without food for a couple of weeks since all distribution networks collapsed?

All of these things are possible and viable and I am of the opinion that all countries should start working towards reacting to those scenarios and re-thinking how they offer basic supplies and services to people and start a de-growth process that's oriented towards far more sustainability.

So now that we got that bit out of the way: How do you suppose you can convince 300+ million people that they need to quickly reduce their footprint, grow their own food, collaborate to have self sufficient communities when you can't even get them to wear a damn mask for a couple years to avoid having them die?

Realistically what will happen is a bunch of posturing and maybe even a few proxy wars with China but commerce with them will not stop, simply because it can't stop: in their pursue to save money the US walked into this corner now and there's no easy way to walk out.

300m *isnt* sustainable. The world can't function with everyone growing their own food. It works now precisely because we need so few people to grow food we can put all the rest of those people to doing other things. The reality is that near 8 billion humans isn't even remotely sustainable. And it gets worse when you realize that the global middle class is set to double over the next decade. All those new cars, air conditioners, vacations, etc.

And its not even as simple as the US being dependent on China. China is dependent on the US as well. The entire global economy is heavily dependent on logistic and support chains that span the globe. And these all have very little redundancy.

We (the globe) have gotten to this level of wealth and health and life expectancy thanks to massive economies of scale.

Humanity has shown that it requires someone at the top to force or "strongly suggest" everyone go in a certain direction. The US has done a reasonably good job at this compared to anyone else in the past. If someone has to lead ill take the US over the last few contenders thats for sure (the UK didn't do so hot, Russia did terrible, germany did terrible, japan did worse, etc).

But now China wants that spot, and old players are gasping out their last breath trying to remain relevant on the world stage (Russia). Even the EU is fracturing at the edges.

To keep supporting an endless growth of humanity we need to keep scaling up, and we need another home. This house isn't big enough for the family to keep growing. Looking for another house for the grandkids isn't the same as saying we are ok with burning the old house (like the nonsense people throw at musk's mars aspersions).

But the simple reality that so many refuse to even discuss is that every ecosysyem has a carrying capacity. At some point the species is successful enough that it doesn't have enough resources to keep increasing its numbers. So the species either widens its range, or it stops growing, or it grows until it collapses.
 
It's overdue for the US to take some major actions against China starting with a complete cut off of any trading. Yes, it will be painful but companies know in order to do business they have to find countries where that is a peaceful relationship between that country and the US. There are plenty of 2nd and 3rd world countries that would welcome an influx of businesses that already have an established relationship and they would only benefit from it all.

You say "complete cut off of trading" like it's an easy thing while typing on your Chinese made keyboard, using your Chinese made computer mouse, looking into your Chinese made LCD screen, using your Chinese made computer parts, on your Chinese made desk and sitting on your Chinese made chair.

The problem is not just companies, but the consumers. Will the consumers accept significantly higher priced goods for everything? They're already loudly complaining about 6% inflation that happened over the winter.

If the consumers are willing to pay more then I can definitely see manufacturing moving to other countries or even moving back to the USA. As for other poor countries, you need infrastructure and a stable climate - not just cheap labor. All the cheap labor in the country won't do you much good if the country doesn't have roads, rails, and ports to transport goods, doesn't have an industrial base to create factories in the first place, and a stable government that doesn't get overthrown every few years by a revolution or military coup.

Why the Biden administration cannot or will not see this is a mystery ....
Because it's harder than you think. Trump huffed and puffed for 4 years and ended up accomplishing basically nothing about it except a bunch of questionable trade deals that involved forgetting China's IP theft so they can buy more goods from Trump farmers, and his simultaneous trade wars against our own allies that likely hurt us more in the long run.
 
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It wouldn't be just "painful" it would basically destroy most of the US economy. Everybody greatly underestimates just how much the rest of the world depends on China for manufacturing and people think "Oh well we might have to go without computers and phones for a while" but what happens when rolling blackouts overtake all of the US? What happens when all airports stop functioning one by one? What happens when Hospitals need to stop turning away patients? When most people have to go without food for a couple of weeks since all distribution networks collapsed?

All of these things are possible and viable and I am of the opinion that all countries should start working towards reacting to those scenarios and re-thinking how they offer basic supplies and services to people and start a de-growth process that's oriented towards far more sustainability.

So now that we got that bit out of the way: How do you suppose you can convince 300+ million people that they need to quickly reduce their footprint, grow their own food, collaborate to have self sufficient communities when you can't even get them to wear a damn mask for a couple years to avoid having them die?

Realistically what will happen is a bunch of posturing and maybe even a few proxy wars with China but commerce with them will not stop, simply because it can't stop: in their pursue to save money the US walked into this corner now and there's no easy way to walk out.
That would be the most extreme set of consequences. Never underestimate the American spirit when it's backed into a corner. People would not starve to death without communist China. American businesses would flourish without having to compete as much with communist labor. It's so much easier to outsource manufacturing to them at the moment because the US (by its own hand) stifles its industries with beuracracy, liberal agenda that sends labor costs through the roof, environmental regulations that China is free of, and ending its own energy independence by shutting down the keystone pipe line. I mean, the US has basically crippled itself for the past 2 years with "covid" restrictions, allowing China to blast even further to the top. Im not saying the US could or should completely cut China off, but it could certainly make changes to give its manufacturers and businesses the upper hand within its borders rather than cutting them off at the waist every chance they get. It's very easy to see who works for the betterment of communist China within the states.
 
That would be the most extreme set of consequences. Never underestimate the American spirit when it's backed into a corner. People would not starve to death without communist China. American businesses would flourish without having to compete as much with communist labor. It's so much easier to outsource manufacturing to them at the moment because the US (by its own hand) stifles its industries with beuracracy, liberal agenda that sends labor costs through the roof, environmental regulations that China is free of, and ending its own energy independence by shutting down the keystone pipe line. I mean, the US has basically crippled itself for the past 2 years with "covid" restrictions, allowing China to blast even further to the top. Im not saying the US could or should completely cut China off, but it could certainly make changes to give its manufacturers and businesses the upper hand within its borders rather than cutting them off at the waist every chance they get. It's very easy to see who works for the betterment of communist China within the states.
And by the way, I don't wear a mask, no vaccine, I've had the virus, I'm fine, I survived. Thinking that people must wear a mask or they will die is the problem. If you are afraid, then wear your silly little cloth cover but don't harpe on the adults that have realised the truth before your lightbulb has gone off. Nature will take its course, and that is what the real science tells us.
 
That would be the most extreme set of consequences. Never underestimate the American spirit when it's backed into a corner. People would not starve to death without communist China. American businesses would flourish without having to compete as much with communist labor. It's so much easier to outsource manufacturing to them at the moment because the US (by its own hand) stifles its industries with beuracracy, liberal agenda that sends labor costs through the roof, environmental regulations that China is free of, and ending its own energy independence by shutting down the keystone pipe line.

First, the USA cutting off all trade with China would be causing a self inflicted wound - nobody is "backing America into a corner" except America itself in that situation.

Second, China isn't actually Communist. Don't fall for labels like Communism, Fascism, etc - they're just buzzwords. China has state and corporate capitalism with some state socialism from an authoritarian government. They don't have the second highest number of billionaires in the world by actually being "Communist." They've had a rapidly growing hybrid economy since their 1979 capitalist reforms.

Third, again, don't be fooled by media buzzwords blaming the "liberal agenda" or "conservative agenda." Nobody is 100% far left on everything or 100% far right on everything. What do you consider liberal regulations do you not specifically like? Laws reducing coal smog so acid rain doesn't fall over your city? Laws regarding fracking so it doesn't destroy an entire community's water supply?

We can say some environmental laws are too burdensome when weighed against its benefits, but it's not particularly acurate or useful to call it a political "agenda."

Getting rid of our labor laws and pollution laws won't make manufacturing cheaper than third world countries where people get paid a tiny fraction of what Americans get paid. What are you going to do, tell 10 year American kids to go work in factories for $1 an hour like they do in third world countries? The only real way the USA will become competitive while helping the economy & living standards grow is through technology (eg. automation) - not lowering our own living standards by getting rid of our environmental and labor laws. It might make sense to remove some overly burdensome policies, but in regards to stuff like fracking - nobody wants an oil spill or fracking pollution in their backyards.

environmental regulations that China is free of, and ending its own energy independence by shutting down the keystone pipe line.
Yes, China is lacking environmental regulations. Chinese cities are also some of the most polluted places on the planet and their skies are gray most of the time. Do you want to make more money in exchange for you and your entire family developing health problems and higher rates of cancer?
And even the Chinese are beginning to worry about their collapsing environment and are beginning to pass their own environmental regulations like restricting heavy industry.
I mean, the US has basically crippled itself for the past 2 years with "covid" restrictions, allowing China to blast even further to the top. Im not saying the US could or should completely cut China off, but it could certainly make changes to give its manufacturers and businesses the upper hand within its borders rather than cutting them off at the waist every chance they get. It's very easy to see who works for the betterment of communist China within the states.
I guess you haven't been reading the news about China then. China has far more strict COVID restrictions than the USA and hurt their economy far more than the USA did. Even today, China still does complete lockdowns of their cities if they even find 1 case of COVID. Look at what is going on with their Winter Olympics.

As for working for the betterment of China, let's not forget Trump dropped the 500 billion intellectual property theft issue so China could buy table scraps farm goods from Trump supporting farm states. Or how Trump started a trade war with our own allies (S. Korea, Japan, Canada, Europe, etc) right around the time we needed a united trade alliance to confront China.

Folks who end up helping China are sometimes ironically the people who yell the loudest that they're standing up to China.
 
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And by the way, I don't wear a mask, no vaccine, I've had the virus, I'm fine, I survived. Thinking that people must wear a mask or they will die is the problem. If you are afraid, then wear your silly little cloth cover but don't harpe on the adults that have realised the truth before your lightbulb has gone off. Nature will take its course, and that is what the real science tells us.
The virus generally has a 1-2% mortality rate, so the average person is going to have a 98-99% survival rate even without the vaccine. However, this includes the assumption that there are enough hospital beds, oxygen, treatment, etc to help folks who get severe COVID (which is approximately 19% of people who get COVID from what I've read).

The mask is just there to reduce how fast the virus spreads so it doesn't overwhelm the hospital system with tons of COVID patients needing treatment. If that happens then the mortality rate will go up among the 19% of people who have severe enough symptoms to require hospital treatment.

So that silly cloth covering is to give those unlucky 19% of the population a better chance at survival for when they get sick and may need hospital beds.

Nature will take its course, but we have modern medical science like vaccines, antibiotics, pharmaceutical pills & medications, chemotherapy, radiation therapy, biomedical devices, gene therapy, etc to help prolong our lives.
 
First, the USA cutting off all trade with China would be causing a self inflicted wound - nobody is "backing America into a corner" except America itself in that situation.

Second, China isn't actually Communist. Don't fall for labels like Communism, Fascism, etc - they're just buzzwords. China has state and corporate capitalism with some state socialism from an authoritarian government. They don't have the second highest number of billionaires in the world by actually being "Communist." They've had a rapidly growing hybrid economy since their 1979 capitalist reforms.

Third, again, don't be fooled by media buzzwords blaming the "liberal agenda" or "conservative agenda." Nobody is 100% far left on everything or 100% far right on everything. What do you consider liberal regulations do you not specifically like? Laws reducing coal smog so acid rain doesn't fall over your city? Laws regarding fracking so it doesn't destroy an entire community's water supply?

We can say some environmental laws are too burdensome when weighed against its benefits, but it's not particularly acurate or useful to call it a political "agenda."

Getting rid of our labor laws and pollution laws won't make manufacturing cheaper than third world countries where people get paid a tiny fraction of what Americans get paid. What are you going to do, tell 10 year American kids to go work in factories for $1 an hour like they do in third world countries? The only real way the USA will become competitive while helping the economy & living standards grow is through technology (eg. automation) - not lowering our own living standards by getting rid of our environmental and labor laws. It might make sense to remove some overly burdensome policies, but in regards to stuff like fracking - nobody wants an oil spill or fracking pollution in their backyards.


Yes, China is lacking environmental regulations. Chinese cities are also some of the most polluted places on the planet and their skies are gray most of the time. Do you want to make more money in exchange for you and your entire family developing health problems and higher rates of cancer?
And even the Chinese are beginning to worry about their collapsing environment and are beginning to pass their own environmental regulations like restricting heavy industry.

I guess you haven't been reading the news about China then. China has far more strict COVID restrictions than the USA and hurt their economy far more than the USA did. Even today, China still does complete lockdowns of their cities if they even find 1 case of COVID. Look at what is going on with their Winter Olympics.

As for working for the betterment of China, let's not forget Trump dropped the 500 billion intellectual property theft issue so China could buy table scraps farm goods from Trump supporting farm states. Or how Trump started a trade war with our own allies (S. Korea, Japan, Canada, Europe, etc) right around the time we needed a united trade alliance to confront China.

Folks who end up helping China are sometimes ironically the people who yell the loudest that they're standing up to China.
Well spoken, Indeed. You've retained excellent talking points from the sources you advise me to not listen to. The bottom line is, the liberal/progressive mindset ignores the lessons learned in conducting business within a capitalist free market. To suggest that the notion of China being communist is incorrect tells me you don't truly understand the concept. There are varying degrees of tyranny with communism being among the worst and in my humble opinion the progressive movement within the US is leading us into tyranny. I don't know what "Trump" did or didn't do but I do know that we never should have allowed the federal government to shut businesses down against their will due to a coronavirus. If you can't step back and objectively come to the realization that it's all nonsense after 2 years of wearing the masks you say slow the spread, roughly half of the universe having been vaccineted and boosted several times and all the lock downs then you and I will just have to agree to disagree. It's sad how so many have been fooled into fear that they can't even go into the grocery store without covering their face. It's like they've been possessed. They've been stripped of their free spirit, and not even put up a fight. Cheers
 
Well spoken, Indeed. You've retained excellent talking points from the sources you advise me to not listen to. The bottom line is, the liberal/progressive mindset ignores the lessons learned in conducting business within a capitalist free market. To suggest that the notion of China being communist is incorrect tells me you don't truly understand the concept. There are varying degrees of tyranny with communism being among the worst and in my humble opinion the progressive movement within the US is leading us into tyranny.
Define communism and explain how it applies to China? Otherwise it's just a meaningless buzzword. The mass media (both left and right) I am warning you about are particularly fond of throwing around buzzwords like racism, sexism, communism, socialism, fascism, etc to derogatively deride the other side even if the target and situation doesn't actually fit the definition.

The last I heard, Communism was still defined as an economic ideology that involves the ideas of common ownership of the means of property and production (which involves full 100% socialism) and the absence of the state, rigid hierarchies, etc (which ironically contradicts real world state socialism). Tyranny is not really an economic concept - it's a method of governing and a political concept that is not unique to any particular economic idea. Tyranny can conceptually exist in a nearly all capitalist environment or a nearly all socialist environment and everything in between.

And none of those criteria I mentioned above for Communism above applies to China. China isn't Communist - they're not even totally State Socialist anymore because of their market reforms of 1979. They were at least heavily state socialist during Mao ZeDong when they banned most private businesses and almost everything was state run. Nowadays they have a huge private sector.

Have you ever heard of China's 1979 market reforms? Look up a guy called Deng Xiaoping and how he reversed Mao's policies and introduced capitalism into state socialist China.

I don't know what "Trump" did or didn't do but I do know that we never should have allowed the federal government to shut businesses down against their will due to a coronavirus. If you can't step back and objectively come to the realization that it's all nonsense after 2 years of wearing the masks you say slow the spread, roughly half of the universe having been vaccineted and boosted several times and all the lock downs then you and I will just have to agree to disagree. It's sad how so many have been fooled into fear that they can't even go into the grocery store without covering their face. It's like they've been possessed. They've been stripped of their free spirit, and not even put up a fight. Cheers
Well I do know what Trump did because I was alive during 2016-2020 and I was following the news of his policies and his own tweets. He talked the loudest about standing up to China but then sold us out with horrible policies that helped China in long run. I'm no fan of either Trump or Biden, but the policies that help China is not relegated to one particular political party or one person.

As for shutting down businesses, yes, I do believe some of the measures were extreme and unnecessary. Ultimately, it's up to state and local governments because the powers of public health falls on them rather than the federal government.

However, wearing masks is hardly nonsense for most of the pandemic considering the vaccine didn't exist for the public until a year after the pandemic and vaccination rates didn't hit 70% until recently (sometime in December 2021).

So NOWADAYS (February 2022) when adults who want to be vaccinated can easily get vaccinated, the masks are not as necessary anymore. The people don't want vaccinations have made their own bed and we should let them do what they want and face the consequences. We should mostly drop our masks requirements at this point and leave it to local govt to only require it if they see significant spikes in hospitalizations.

But back then when no people or a far lower percentage of people were vaccinated, then the masks made sense.
 
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