Fiat's new $15,000 mini EV is now on sale in the US, but it's not yet legal to drive

... every other vehicle is basically a 2 ton metal ballast and this thing looks like it doesn't weigh more than 700 lbs ... It's about as safe as driving a bicycle in rush-hour traffic, given all of the massive big rigs, souped-up cars and pickups speeding around on the highway.
It weighs almost 1100 lbs, and has a top speed of 19 MPH. It is *not* intended to be driven on highways. Did you even read the article?

Who would choose this over an ebike
Ever cart a few bags of groceries back home through a freezing rain on an e-Bike?

Then we take into account that Tesla managed to bypass all sorts of safety regulations to make the Cybertruck "street-legal"
Why repeat absurd disinformation like this? Is it simply a way to virtue-signal a hatred for Musk?
 
I am content with my 2003 Matrix; ~93k, full synthetic oil change every year whether it needs it or not. Occasionally also change the coolant.
 
It took years, but we finally agree. I bought their '76 model new, and it spent more time in the shop than I did driving it. The mechanic -- an immigrant from Sicily -- said Fiat meant 'Fix It Again, Tony'.

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That's a beautiful vehicle!
 
It weighs almost 1100 lbs, and has a top speed of 19 MPH. It is *not* intended to be driven on highways. Did you even read the article?
Weighing 1100lbs is not a counter to my statement. I didn't say it literally weighs 700 lbs, I said it looks like it does. It resembles a very expensive Fisher-Price car. Y'know, like the peddle wagon for 5-year-olds―just scaled-up to adult size.

Why repeat absurd disinformation like this? Is it simply a way to virtue-signal a hatred for Musk?
The fact of the matter is, the Cybertruck is legitimately one of the most dangerous vehicle on the road. It is nothing but sharp, harsh edges, on account of the rolled stainless steel and is comically heavy. It is also not street-legal in Europe and the UK. It's not even the only large vehicle on the road, just the most prominent one because you can see one coming from a mile away.

The point of my argument is not to dogpile on the Cybertruck, but to convey the fact that it is one particularly prominent, very large vehicle, in a sea of oversized transportation, and this Fiat EV will have to navigate the same streets as those behemoths.
 
Weighing 1100lbs is not a counter to my statement. I didn't say it literally weighs 700 lbs, I said it looks like it does.
Was that a joke? The laws of physics -- specifically those involving momentum and inertia -- aren't based what something "looks like", but rather its actual mass.

Why not simply admit you failed to read the article? All your talk of "big rigs whizzing about on the highway" isn't applicable when this vehicle will never be driven on highways. It's limited to 20 mph city streets.

The fact of the matter is, the Cybertruck is legitimately one of the most dangerous vehicle on the road
The fact of the matter is you're promoting absurd disinformation:

Tesla Cybertruck is officially the safest pickup, IIHS says


. It is nothing but sharp, harsh edges, on account of the rolled stainless steel and is comically heavy.
I realize your lack of physics knowledge, but "comically heavy" increases the safety of vehicle occupants. And those exterior "sharp harsh edges" only matter to pedestrians -- and the Cybertruck has by far the best pedestrian-avoidance system on the road.
 
Ban SUVs. They block the view, they pollute worse than regular cars, and they are an abominable combination of a car on a truck body. Also, they kill children.
"Cars are weapons on wheels, they should all be destroyed" A certain character on SPEED RACER. :D

Mud buckets, bathtubs and swimming pools also kill children; yet, both these and SUVs serve purposes. By your logic, we should all return to hunter gatherers, and live in caves. there is a Latin term, which translated to English is a reduction to absurdity, or words to that effect. In other words, by carrying your argument to its extreme, I have shown it to be absurd.

We live in a world of risk, of danger, and nothing can ever change that.
 
"Cars are weapons on wheels, they should all be destroyed" A certain character on SPEED RACER. :D

Mud buckets, bathtubs and swimming pools also kill children; yet, both these and SUVs serve purposes. By your logic, we should all return to hunter gatherers, and live in caves. there is a Latin term, which translated to English is a reduction to absurdity, or words to that effect. In other words, by carrying your argument to its extreme, I have shown it to be absurd.

We live in a world of risk, of danger, and nothing can ever change that.
I'm saying SUVs, a subcategory of cars that has no redeemable reason for existing. I didn't say sedans, or small cars, or trucks which do have a good reason to exist. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
 
I'm saying SUVs, a subcategory of cars that has no redeemable reason for existing. I didn't say sedans, or small cars, or trucks which do have a good reason to exist. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
I merely took your argument to its logical end. you said that "[SUVs] kill children"; but so do bathtubs and swimming pools. You argue that they ought to be banned. Would that eliminate accidental deaths of children? Not hardly. In fact, SUVs protect children far more often than they kill them. The size & weight, etc., of SUVs make them safer for those riding in them, than smaller, lighter, vehicles. To me, that is a reasonable reason they exist, but there are other reasons.

If there were no SUVs, there would still be the accidental death of children. So, what would that really accomplish? If your idea is to save children, you might pat yourself on the back, but you have really made no more than a negligible difference.

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OK let me explain better: SUVs are a waste of space, materials, and fuel. They harm the environment by their size. Most people need a car that accommodates solo drivers so SUVs are overkill. There aren't that many children these days, certainly not enough to justify overrunning the roads with SUVs. I ride mass transit, it makes me feel good that I don't drive a wasteful car. My preference for a vehicle would be either a two-seater EV that I can charge with a 120V charger and use for groceries and commuting short distances supplemented by mass transit, or an ebike instead of the EV, same conditions. Big cars are a phenomenon of the U.S. and there is no excuse for them, period. If you believe otherwise, then you are just brainwashed and I feel sorry for you.
 
I'm saying SUVs, a subcategory of cars that has no redeemable reason for existing. I didn't say sedans, or small cars, or trucks which do have a good reason to exist. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
SUVs serve far more purpose than those videogames you play daily. Let's ban those, shall we?

I ride mass transit, it makes me feel good that I don't drive a wasteful car.
A great example of psychological rationalization, rather like an ugly woman claiming she prefers not being beautiful, as it saves her time and money primping.

Big cars are a phenomenon of the U.S and there is no excuse for them, period. If you believe otherwise, then you are just brainwashed
I'm sure you likewise despise those who own mansions, yachts, private airplanes, and summer beach houses too. Envy isn't a good look.
 
SUVs serve far more purpose than those videogames you play daily. Let's ban those, shall we?


A great example of psychological rationalization, rather like an ugly woman claiming she prefers not being beautiful, as it saves her time and money primping.


I'm sure you likewise despise those who own mansions, yachts, private airplanes, and summer beach houses too. Envy isn't a good look.
I'm not envious, I just think those things are a waste of good money and (in the case of beach houses) also a waste of land and resources. You do know the oceans are going to wash away those houses, right?
 
I'm not envious, I just think those things are a waste of good money and (in the case of beach houses) also a waste of land and resources.
I suggest you start being honest with yourself. People invariably consider anything more than what they can afford -- whether they make $50K/yr or $50M -- "wasteful". Psychologists call this the "sour grapes effect".

I personally consider soccer fields, basketball courts, and videogame studies a waste of land and resources. Unlike yourself, however, I don't wish to ban everything I don't personally find useful. It turns out freedom is actually a pretty valuable concept.

You do know the oceans are going to wash away those houses, right?
You do know the oceans are rising much **slower** than they were 15,000 years ago, right? And that they'll continue to do so, until our next ice age.
 
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