Fighting tournament asks competitors to open joysticks in wake of Florida shooting

[IAMTHESTIG]

 

[BrianMontanye]

You might as well be. As soon as anyone looses their right to bear arms (we have already reached this point). the removal process will continue to grow until everyone is disarmed. You can already see this in cases where people don't even use guns. They are criminally processed and told they can not bear arms. They were disarmed regardless of whether they ever touched a gun. And now they don't have the right to defend themselves. Once again the answer is not disarming people.

But I am not saying that. I have already stated I am not going to debate whimsical conspiracy theories, so if you want to believe everyone is out for your guns, more power to you. I am just dealing with facts.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I am just dealing with facts.

Deal with this fact. Drugs were made illegal period. They didn't just take them away from a small percentage of people. Yet anyone that still wants illegal drugs can get them. You can't stop people from getting what they want. You can however make it more difficult on the innocent. Even if law enforcement wanted to put a stop to illegal trafficking, they wouldn't be able to.

Ohh and before I forget. No amount of safe keeping will protect a firearm from being stolen and used criminally. And licensing is a joke, as if it will prevent the person that legally owns a gun from doing something stupid. The only choice we have is to deal with the aftermath of these people.

 

[IAMTHESTIG]

But I am not saying that. I have already stated I am not going to debate whimsical conspiracy theories, so if you want to believe everyone is out for your guns, more power to you. I am just dealing with facts.

While personally I agree with you there are people who should not be allowed to have firearms, unfortunately the second amendment is really open and basically bans any sort of restriction. In fact pretty much all the gun laws we have now violate the second amendment. NFA of 1934, GCA of 1968, Hughes Amendment, USC 922r, and all states requiring licensing or registration violate the second amendment. I personally wish it will be rewritten to accomplish what we need to help stop bad people from getting guns, and just eliminate all these other BS laws. But most pro gun people are too worried a rewrite will make things worse than they already are in terms of violating our rights.

 

[cliffordcooley]

But most pro gun people are too worried a rewrite will make things worse than they already are in terms of violating our rights.

I'm one of them. I'm not what you would call a pro-gun. I don't have a gun, I hate guns because I know the damage they do. And if I ever have a need in getting one, I don't want some BS law preventing me from getting one. All because some people think they are more privileged than others. The last sentence was a rock thrown at law makers and those that would misuse their right to bear arms.

 

[Forebode]

I'd say you reap what you sow.

If you want to live in a society that worships and fetishes the gun, expect this kind of stuff.

We don't idolize or fetish the gun, we simply acknowledge (most of the population, at least) that it's our right, if we choose, to arm ourselves.

Anything is a weapon if you have the intent upon making it one. You aren't resolving the root issue if you take a tool away - that issue will manfiest itself into something different. Britain banned knives, remember that.

Sure, but you can't argue that it's easier to use a gun over other (relatively easily accessible) weapons, especially if you want any chance to get away... This pencil I have could be a weapon, my dumbells would wreck someone, a car is another one, ,, could probably do it with a shoe.

As for 'our right.' The flaw into this thinking is, you may have weapons and you may use them properly and keep them safe. Unfortunately the US is out to make everyone safe.. Processes/rules/laws are changed to make sure that .999% is protected from harm. I think guns need a rework..