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Former AMD, Intel engineer pleads guilty to stealing sensitive documents

By Rick · 18 replies
Apr 9, 2012
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  1. Biswamohan Pani, a former engineer for both Intel and AMD, has plead guilty to five counts of fraud centered around the theft of sensitive Intel documents. The stolen information, valued…

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  2. Sarcasm

    Sarcasm TS Guru Posts: 354   +40

    Of course AMD didn't know or use those Intel documents, they still made Bulldozer and look how that came out.
  3. pmkrefeld

    pmkrefeld TS Member Posts: 44


    take intel cpus to globalfoundries, then you will now the real performance difference
  4. amstech

    amstech IT Overlord Posts: 1,710   +869

    Hey alright we might see some faster AMD CPU's now. :p
  5. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    No harm no foul. AMD and Intel, as is the case with most (if not all) industry hardware vendors would have a honour system in place to guard against industrial espionage...otherwise the recipient of some information today, might well be the victim of information theft tomorrow. Given the amount of employee movement between companys it makes sense to safeguard against this sort of behaviour.

    I'd hazard a guess that an ex-employee of Intel that moves to AMD (or vice versa) wouldn't be working on the exact same line of research in any case- most employment contracts in R&D stipulating a non-competition clause until a certain time after the employment is terminated
    Bulldozer's been in development since 2006-07/forever. Even if Intel had sanctioned the information for AMD's use, it likely wouldn't have influenced AMD's design, since AMD and Intel have had a fundamental divergence in how they see CPU design.
    If Intel used glofo as a foundry partner instead of their own fabs, Intel would likely be selling Ivy Bridge in 2016.
  6. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    Intel quickly learned of the breach and stopped the engineer from pilfering documents before he could "use them to Intel's disadvantage". With Intel's help, federal investigators recovered approximately $200-$400 million worth of stolen information from Pani's home.

    Yea, when I lend a friend my bike, I send a federal investigator to recover it for me. That's the honor system my friend and I have.
  7. EEatGDL

    EEatGDL TS Evangelist Posts: 535   +210

    Yeah, about pmkrefeld comment, I don't understand it quite well in sense [his idea is pretty truncated] and I agree with dividebyzero, maybe not 2016 but quite possibly 2014, now imagine 14 nm manufacture... Intel fabs are quite impressive and pretty much unchallenged in terms of state-of-the art technology.
  8. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    Firstly, I'd say your analogy might only work if your friend stole the bike (rather than it being given), the bike was worth more than it's weight in gold, and your friend both profited by the theft and caused you to incur ongoing losses because of the theft.....and you then prosecuted the case using overwhelming force designed to deter future "friends" from also turning into would be thieves...but other than that your analogy is pretty accurate.

    Point to note: At Intel Mr Pani worked for -and stole CAD design/spec data from-the Itanium division. Anyone care to guess how much AMD (or anyone else) cares about Itanium ? Now considering Pani has said he "only took the documents out of "curiosity" or to "impress" his future employer." I'm actually wondering why he didn't pursue an insanity defence.

    The 2016 comment was facetious. A little jab at glofo's protracted problems at 28nm and the late realization that gate first is a dead duck.
  9. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 679   +74

    LMAO. I'm sure he'd have a sound case.
  10. Razer

    Razer TS Booster Posts: 126   +14

    several months later, AMD issued new Bulldozer, called AMD i9 :D
  11. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,762   +435

    When was the last time your friend took $200-400mill of information from you and went to your competitor? You may think a little differently :)
  12. My surprise was how the guy was able to get away with being in both camps in June and continued to download data / information even, i would not be a happy shareholder if i invested in Intel.

    As to wether or not AMD knew that is unlikely they did, i don't see that type of behaviour being productive for a major corporation such as Intel or AMD if they had that knowledge as it would open pandoras box on them both.
  13. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    BINGO! So where is this honour system you speak of if Intel called the feds?
  14. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    Dividebyzero said Intel and AMd have an "honour" system in relation to stolen property. So I'm wondering where the honour is if Intel called the feds and in turn, an investigation is started.

    Here is another example of "honour" between companies:
  15. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,907   +592

    Let's try this again with the first part of his post...

    No harm no foul. AMD and Intel, as is the case with most (if not all) industry hardware vendors would have a honour system in place to guard against industrial espionage.

    So the guard against espionage is calling the feds? DUH!!!!
  16. amstech

    amstech IT Overlord Posts: 1,710   +869

    Any "truce" the company's have or say they have with one another is just an attempt to fool your average Joe.
    Truce? Are you kidding me?
  17. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    The honour system pertains to NOT using using technology that originates from a direct competitor, if that technology is a company secret or proprietry/patented.

    The honour system DOES NOT pertain to a company prosecuting theft from an employee.

    To put in simpler terms for you using a hypothetical scenario you may identify with more;
    - You decide to leave your job as shelf stacker at the local grocery for greener pastures.
    - You decide to ingratiate yourself with your new employers by stealing stock from the grocery so as to impress your new employer with your skill set labeled "Thieving Employee" -which you are sure that the HR department will surely value. The stolen stock will also help with their cash flow...bonus!
    - You turn up at your new job at Wal-Mart...and promptly demonstrate your commitment to your new position by plunking down your armload of stolen Depends adult diapers (a close grocery equivalent to Itanium), and then tell them that you are more than willing to steal from a present employer to establish trust with a future employer.

    Honour System: Wal-Mart return the diapers to the grocery with an explanation
    Nothing to do with the honour system: The grocery calls the cops and has you prosecuted for theft.

    So, just remember, the next time you're out to impress, leave the diapers on the shelf.

    BTW: Your HC link just demonstrates that:
    1. Unnamed Chinese companies don't adhere to an honour system, and,
    2. AMD and Intel aren't using the same R&D tools as Unnamed Chinese companys, and
    3. Samsung and "Unnamed Chinese Company" probably don't have a cross-license of patent IP as is the case with Intel and AMD
  18. So history repeats itself... Never liked AMD, never sold AMD and will always continue the support Intel.

    Nothing to do with anyone who chooses AMD - AMD have ok CPU's but I will not support criminals.


    Read the part where they cloned Intel's CPU's - Who says they haven't been stealing from Intel all these years? Just because it is news now, just means that this guy have been caught this time.

    So who do you support?
  19. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    ^^^ ???

    Of the all the possible reasons to choose Intel over AMD, I don't think Intel's ethical behaviour has ever been put forward as one of them...by anyone....ever

    A possible reason why might be found >>here<<

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