France is formulating a $100 per month subsidized EV lease program

Endymio

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[link removed] Well sourced, and those sources are listed.
Oops! The sources don't support the article's conclusions. Yes, natural gas production went offline during the 2021 blizzard. Why? Because ERCOT had chosen to replace the propane-fired wellhead pumps with "green" electric pumps, resulting in a classic chicken-egg problem. Without electricity to run the pumps, the gas turbines couldn't be started to generate the electricity needed to run those same pumps. And with gas not flowing, the wellheads froze solid.

Liberal outlets love to quote that "all" sources experienced problems during the blackout. While technically true, it's intentionally misleading. Essentially 100% of wind was offline, and more than 75% of solar and nat gas. Nuclear, however, only saw one of four reactors trip offline -- and that was only for a few hours.

Sources:

Wind and solar generated record 34% of ERCOT power in Texas Q1 2022

California Total System Electric Generation: Natural Gas: 50%. Wind+Solar: 24%

 

scavengerspc

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Oops! The sources don't support the article's conclusions. Yes, natural gas production went offline during the 2021 blizzard. Why? Because ERCOT had chosen to replace the propane-fired wellhead pumps with "green" electric pumps, resulting in a classic chicken-egg problem. Without electricity to run the pumps, the gas turbines couldn't be started to generate the electricity needed to run those same pumps. And with gas not flowing, the wellheads froze solid.

Liberal outlets love to quote that "all" sources experienced problems during the blackout. While technically true, it's intentionally misleading. Essentially 100% of wind was offline, and more than 75% of solar and nat gas. Nuclear, however, only saw one of four reactors trip offline -- and that was only for a few hours.


Sources:

Wind and solar generated record 34% of ERCOT power in Texas Q1 2022

California Total System Electric Generation: Natural Gas: 50%. Wind+Solar: 24%


You are getting tiring. I will bet everyone got my point except you.
I'm not saying they didn't play a role. I'm saying that Abbott blew it when he blamed ONLY renewables.
"Losses in wind and solar energy thrust Texas into a situation where it was lacking power in a statewide basis." He was lying, and he knew it.
And you should note that, at least from the turbine side, Alexandra wants you to know that if they had been properly maintained they would have continued to run. Remember. The renewables were not winterized. They run without issues in many similar climates. Also, she gave me this link to post for you:


Anyway, from the link you complained about earlier:
"It was across the board," says Bill Magness, the president and CEO of ERCOT, or the Electric Reliability Council of Texas. "We saw coal plants, gas plants, wind, solar, just all sorts of our resources trip off and not be able to perform."

"Wind turbines did, in fact, freeze. But so did natural gas wells. And pipelines. And critical pipes at coal and nuclear power plants. And equipment panels."

"All types of generation have had issues," says Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin's Webber Energy Group. "I mean, having more natural gas power plants wouldn't have helped us because we can't get gas to the ones we have right now."


Are you sure you didn't accidentally go to the Sesame Street site? :laughing:

@Endymio. I'm headed back to the mountains again for a few days soon. I will check back here first thing after I return and accept that real life must begin again. In the meantime, TS is read only for me from my iPhone.
 
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Endymio

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I'm not saying they didn't play a role. I'm saying that Abbott blew it when he blamed ONLY renewables.
No, he was entirely correct. Your earlier quote was incomplete, and omitted the most important fact:

"...all forms of electricity generation were affected [by] storm Uri. But the power plants that performed the best were the ones that had on-site fuel, namely, the coal and nuclear plants."

ERCOT's solar farms were producing at zero percent. None. Wind farms were producing at 17%, which dropped to only 3% a few hours later. Together, the two renewable sources lost 98% of their total production capacity. 98%!

The natural gas plants lost 55% of capacity -- but not because the turbines themselves failed, but because the "green" electric pumps couldn't run the pipelines or keep the wellheads from freezing. ERCOT's nuclear sector only lost 25% of capacity -- and that was only for a few hours.

You do see the difference between losing 98% for several days, versus losing only 25% for a few hours? A simple yes or no will suffice.
 

scavengerspc

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No, he was entirely correct. Your earlier quote was incomplete
My quote was not incomplete. I quoted what was relevant. And what was funny is what YOU claimed.
The natural gas plants lost 55% of capacity -- but not because the turbines themselves failed, but because the "green" electric pumps couldn't run the pipelines or keep the wellheads from freezing. ERCOT's nuclear sector only lost 25% of capacity -- and that was only for a few hours.
How many times do I have to post that the power plants were not well maintained and the solar\turbine plants were NOT winterized? Not to mention those renewable plants work fine in much more harsh conditions.

https://mashable.com/article/wind-turbines-texas


You do see the difference between losing 98% for several days, versus losing only 25% for a few hours? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Yes. And if it ever happens as a natural function, we can discuss your complete ignorance of the facts.
Know what’s funny about…….. Everything you posted?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-wind-climate/index.html

“Texas is, by rhetoric, anti-renewables. But frankly, renewables are bailing us out,” said Michael Webber, an energy expert and professor at the University of Texas at Austin. “They’re rocking. That really spares us a lot of heartache and a lot of money.”

“Despite the Texas Republican rhetoric that wind and solar are unreliable, Texas has a massive and growing fleet of renewables. Zero-carbon electricity sources (wind, solar, and nuclear) powered about 38 percent of the states power in 2021, rivaling natural gas at 42% This is a relatively recent phenomenon for the state.”
 

neeyik

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@Endymio and @scavengerspc - please take your discussion to PMs or create a separate thread in the General Discussion board. This comments section is specifically for the news article on France's EV leasing scheme.