Google bans 'free speech' app Parler, Apple and Amazon have followed

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Axle Grease

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Breaking: Parler is #1 in the app store. Notably, private messaging app Signal is #2. The people have spoken; free speech is important.
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That's cause and effect.
 

Puiu

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Are you talking hate/racism speech or differernt views/political speech. Because the first is common sense but the latter is what has happened and is happening.
Pretty sure when you say you are going to attack or kill someone you are not in the realm of "political views" anymore and anyone saying otherwise has some serious problems. "the latter" is not happening right now, not in this situation.

In the current social unrest period, not taking measures against such threats is just inviting trouble and some poor low IQ blokes will take it too serious thinking that they're in the right after reading some troll's post and commit murder.

It is already happening now and it is the unfortunate reality we live in.
 

fps4ever

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Pretty sure when you say you are going to attack or kill someone you are not in the realm of "political views" anymore and anyone saying otherwise has some serious problems. "the latter" is not happening right now, not in this situation.

In the current social unrest period, not taking measures against such threats is just inviting trouble and some poor low IQ blokes will take it too serious thinking that they're in the right after reading some troll's post and commit murder.

It is already happening now and it is the unfortunate reality we live in.

If only they took steps during the summer/fall riots as well instead of social media just feeding the frenzy. Yeah, NOW its OK.
 

Sean T

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No I'm talking about her call on twitter to dox Trump supporters on the 6th. This was on the 6th while voting was actively happening. At the time there were no talks of storming a capital, there were no talks of protesting in DC, there were just millions of people watching the TV waiting to see who won the election. At the same time she called on people to make a list of all the Trump supporters they knew with the intent of holding Trump supporters accountable to some vague standard. This tweet is the revised one, the original was worse. She says **** like this then gets shocked when people are pissed off enough to call her bluff.

(1) Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future" / Twitter

Now an important note, I don't care about those people who stormed the capital, they don't represent me or how I feel. I stayed at home and watched the crap hit the fan because I knew what it meant for the votes afterwards. They just made **** worse and gave the Dems an excuse to do everything they've ever wanted.

What I do care about is when people call for violence or intimidation then later feigning innocence when it's done against them.

The double standard. Could you imagine all the headline if a group attempted to overthrow multiple cities simultaneously, and actually succeeding in some, going so far to lay siege and remove the local government and declare their own quasi-government for weeks? Well, it happened earlier this year (see Seattle’s BLM takeover) and was hardly a headline, but that’s because it lined up with the politics of the social media leaders. How was that political initiative allowed to stay on social media, while also being ‘incited’ by politicians. Double standard.
 

candle_86

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When response to this I'm already moving all of my personal information away from Google and will be leading my Google account. if they don't want to respect my viewpoints and there wish to suppress my freedom of association then they are no longer titled to an ounce of my f****** data. I'm also going to be rooting my phone so I can rip all of their apps off of it because again I don't want them tracking my data if they cannot respect me as a human being because they think they know better. And let's be honest this is Google and apple assuming that they know better what is good for us than we can decide for ourselves. Both of these companies was to treat us like children and tell us what we can and can't do well about to tell them what they can and can't do.
 

Lew Zealand

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The double standard. Could you imagine all the headline if a group attempted to overthrow multiple cities simultaneously, and actually succeeding in some, going so far to lay siege and remove the local government and declare their own quasi-government for weeks? Well, it happened earlier this year (see Seattle’s BLM takeover) and was hardly a headline, but that’s because it lined up with the politics of the social media leaders. How was that political initiative allowed to stay on social media, while also being ‘incited’ by politicians. Double standard.

What posts on what social media were made by people in a similar position of power to Trump (obv. not prez, any high rank will do) inciting BLM people to storm government buildings and take over?
 

Uncle Al

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#1: “CONGRESS shall not...”

Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter... even Techspot, are all private.

Learn the Constitution.

there is no guarantee of “free speech”.

there is only a negative right for Congress (the government) to censor citizens.


#2. The violent insurrection/sedition and terrorism gave Social Media the perfect excuse to do what they should have done 3 years ago.

It’s called a “pretext”.

But let's not forget that while they are private companies Congress might just pull their exemption from legal actions then it's a whole new ballgame ..... and with the events going on in Washington these days I have a feeling the new Congress isn't going to wait too long before they do the deed!
 

fps4ever

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What posts on what social media were made by people in a similar position of power to Trump (obv. not prez, any high rank will do) inciting BLM people to storm government buildings and take over?

Here is a bunch in a short video with political leaders, stars, crackpots, news personel, etc.. mixed in with tweets, cable tv, media, etc...took all of 30 seconds to find on Google. I imagine more was scrubbed from FB and Google. Reality is hard to grasp. I can find more but why.

 

Lew Zealand

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Here is a bunch in a short video with political leaders, stars, crackpots, news personel, etc.. mixed in with tweets, cable tv, media, etc...took all of 30 seconds to find on Google. I imagine more was scrubbed from FB and Google. Reality is hard to grasp. I can find more but why.


That all looked like news coverage of speeches, interviews, and public demonstrations, not social media. Of course the attitude was there and it looks like one state legislature person was saying the same type of things about Trump that he tweets about other people, but this wasn't Twitter/FB/etc. Ie: some posts by some inciters about what they were encouraging people to do about Trump/etc. which weren't moderated/banned by either.
 

Rayneofpayne

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#1: “CONGRESS shall not...”

Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter... even Techspot, are all private.

Learn the Constitution.

there is no guarantee of “free speech”.

there is only a negative right for Congress (the government) to censor citizens.


#2. The violent insurrection/sedition and terrorism gave Social Media the perfect excuse to do what they should have done 3 years ago.

It’s called a “pretext”.
M. Obama called the owner of twitter and had him silenced, that is an official of the democratic party acting against another party, which is illegal as stated an active part of the government cannot suppress speech under the 1st amendment.

Nothing he stated invited anything nor was it against TOS, even the DOJ is laughing at this.

Private company or not whether twitter and companies realize it or not as long as you can type in the www address and navigate and read it, it is a public space, there is no gate that makes it private meaning they may own the site domain however like many actual privately owned real world spaces in the us they cannot tell you what to say or not to say, legally all they can do is ask you to remove yourself from the property unless you are breaking laws. Example would be a mall.

So everything you have stated is technically wrong. And unless this is communist russia or china we do not suppress people rights to speak, you have a right to make a Choice and you have a right to reap the Consequences, silence that and it's merely communist without the bullet to the head, well but the way left wing nutjobs act it's only ok as long as it's what they want you to say.

We call it a forum for a reason and by that definition alone it is a public debate space, discrimination against what you don't want to hear is in violation of the definition of the word itself.
 

Rayneofpayne

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Here is a bunch in a short video with political leaders, stars, crackpots, news personel, etc.. mixed in with tweets, cable tv, media, etc...took all of 30 seconds to find on Google. I imagine more was scrubbed from FB and Google. Reality is hard to grasp. I can find more but why.

Leftists empowered and invited BLM to riot so if you are going to apply this to Trump then , Biden, Obama, Clinton, and Pelosi and the rest of the nutjob democrats need to be prosecuted for the same thing, you cannot pick and choose where and who gets prosecuted for doing the same thing based on personal feelings otherwise it's just a farce of the law.
 

fps4ever

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That all looked like news coverage of speeches, interviews, and public demonstrations, not social media. Of course the attitude was there and it looks like one state legislature person was saying the same type of things about Trump that he tweets about other people, but this wasn't Twitter/FB/etc. Ie: some posts by some inciters about what they were encouraging people to do about Trump/etc. which weren't moderated/banned by either.

Funny how that link took you right to twitter though isn't it? There is plenty more out there if you are willing to search. I suspect otherwise though.
 

Axle Grease

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Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.

We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business, however Amazon, Google and Apple purposefully did this as a coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies.

This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place. We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out."
 

Axle Grease

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Nobody is forced to use Antisocial media sites like twitter, facebook or instagram. Thats why I deleted them all years ago and haven't looked back since. They are a complete waste of time and breed hate. Doesn't really matter which side you're on.

I could never muster an interest in them. I've had the Parler app ever since the platform launched, but just can't get into parleys anymore than tweets. I like website forums.
 

cliffordcooley

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FBI refuses to investigate election fraud? What fraud? Just because Trump says there was fraud does not mean there was. If there was, then why did not his lawyers present the evidence in court? If they had presented the evidence, Trump would still be president.
You're fixing to find out. Keep your ears peeled. This time the media and courts won't be able to ignore the evidence.
 

candle_86

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Well I guess we know who the fascists are. They are Apple Google and Amazon. Let's not forget pedoJoe and kamel toe.
 

Axle Grease

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Well I guess we know who the fascists are. They are Apple Google and Amazon. Let's not forget pedoJoe and kamel toe.

Except that Fascists were most notorious for physical violence and intimidation against their political foes, like AntiFa and a chunk of the BLM movement. The ban hammers of Silicon Valley tech companies and Amazon do not extend beyond their respective platforms. Fascists?? Hardly.
 

mirgc

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This isn't banning competition. It's implementing the TOS that says that inciting to violence and failing to moderate such content will lead to removal from the store. Pretty sure that the death of 4 people at Capitol should make you understand that people are willing to die for a clown.
Then the tech giants are not following their own guidelines. Violent threats against politicians? Conspiracy theories about stolen elections? De-humanizing language? Organizing "peaceful protests" that result in looted stores, beaten people, or entire city blocks being taken over and occupied?
Takes me about 60 seconds to find multiple examples on twitter, facebook, and other websites that host on Amazon or google, or thru apps that are on iTunes store or Google Play. Yet they remain.
 

Cubi Dorf

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Being able to say anything you are want without consequence is the definition of free speech. american 1st amendment law is only covering government protected free speech, but no protection from company or others. America does not really having free speech, but they think they do. They don’t understanding the difference. they have been told their whole life they have free speech, but really having a crippled half version of free speech. however some country do having worse. some are say freedom has consequences, which is absurd. They don’t understand they don’t actually have this freedom! Instead they are having cancel culture, which is not possible with true free speech.
 

Cubi Dorf

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If there is criminal activity on parler, law enforcement should deal with. It should not be these ultra power company right to tell smaller company what to do, just because they can due to their position in business. This is just american cancel culture in action.
 
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