Google bans 'free speech' app Parler, Apple and Amazon have followed

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Axle Grease

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Being able to say anything you are want without consequence is the definition of free speech. american 1st amendment law is only covering government protected free speech, but no protection from company or others. America does not really having free speech, but they think they do. They don’t understanding the difference. they have been told their whole life they have free speech, but really having a crippled half version of free speech. however some country do having worse. some are say freedom has consequences, which is absurd. They don’t understand they don’t actually have this freedom! Instead they are having cancel culture, which is not possible with true free speech.


Just as the Right to Liberty offers you no protection from the law should you kick in your neighbour's face, Freedom of Speech ( which is a derivative of the Right to Liberty ) offers you no protection from the law should you *threaten* to kick in your neighbour's face. A government that is restricted to protecting individual Rights is required to take action against you. Freedom of Speech is also a derivative of property rights (which is derived from the Right to Liberty). There is no Right to force others to provide you the material means to express your views.
 

Cubi Dorf

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Just as the Right to Liberty offers you no protection from the law should you kick in your neighbour's face, Freedom of Speech ( which is a derivative of the Right to Liberty ) offers you no protection from the law should you *threaten* to kick in your neighbour's face. A government that is restricted to protecting individual Rights is required to take action against you. Freedom of Speech is also a derivative of property rights (which is derived from the Right to Liberty). There is no Right to force others to provide you the material means to express your views.

Did parler app make threats? If so the article did not indicate. The banish is for fail to censor as big tech company demand. This case is not about government laws. It is about companies behave like they are government.
 

Beerfloat

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I loathe social media but anything that makes right wingers upset is cool with me. So nice one, Twitter and the rest. Let’s keep those election fraud lies confined to the well hidden niche channels.




 

Beerfloat

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Did parler app make threats? If so the article did not indicate. The banish is for fail to censor as big tech company demand. This case is not about government laws. It is about companies behave like they are government.

Apple and Google no longer want to distribute Parler. Amazon no longer wants to host it. That’s free enterprise for you.
 

Puiu

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The January 6th "violence" was done to right-wingers, not done by them.

RIP Ashley Babbitt.
Pretty sure the videos show a bunch of confederate supporting lunatics willing to die and commit acts of murder for their almighty clown.

It's just that things have escalated beyond what you thought possible. You are looking at the result of a bunch of brainwashed people thinking that they are doing something right: a tragedy.
 

Cubi Dorf

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Apple and Google no longer want to distribute Parler. Amazon no longer wants to host it. That’s free enterprise for you.

It is duopoly, one of which has total monopoly over app distribution on their platform. This is not exactly free enterprise.
 
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Squid Surprise

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Demorats have crapped over all over the constitution this pass year. This is deeper than tweets that hurt some feelings. Check what was happening when riots and destroying businesses were going down. Hypocrisy is rampant in the socialist blue party.
After reading over 100 posts in this thread, it seems your entire argument boils down to: “the Democrats did it too...”

While we can debate the truth of that, you seem to have forgotten that “two wrongs don’t make a right”.... only 3 lefts can do that....
 

LNCPapa

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Thanks again folks for showing everyone who you really are. As Maya Angelou said, "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." Positive change can only come from people who are able to see the bigger picture or outside of their own viewpoint.
 

bandit8623

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Absolutely disgusting behaviour from the big tech corpos. I can understand how Google and Facebook want to sensor their own platforms but banning competitors because they don’t match their censorship criteria isn’t on.

The problem is they do have a duopoly. If a user doesn’t agree with these private moderation policies they don’t exactly have the option to go elsewhere.

I have now removed Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram. I will still use YouTube but in a container shell on my PC where they can’t get anything out of me. I urge others to do the same.
What a dumb comment. Clearly you have absolutely no idea how anything works. You’ve got it badly wrong. YouTube collects tonnes of metadata on your system. Look it up. It’s quite disgusting how much data they harvest.

Also if you actually read my comment I stated that I’m fine with big tech censoring their own platforms. I have a problem with big tech preventing users who don’t want to use Facebook/Twitter etc from using other apps. For example, a social media platform called Parler.

Google and Facebook do NOT have the right to force their competitors out of the market. I pity your lack of intelligence if you feel otherwise.
This! The definition of unfair tactics.
 

bandit8623

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The whole premise that faceturd and tweety censor at all is dumb. they have section 230 protecting them. By censoring needlessly it kinda takes away even the need for section 230..
 
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candle_86

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After reading over 100 posts in this thread, it seems your entire argument boils down to: “the Democrats did it too...”

While we can debate the truth of that, you seem to have forgotten that “two wrongs don’t make a right”.... only 3 lefts can do that....

What you fail to realize is deplatforming doesn't work but it will hurt their pocketbooks. There are already phones in the works, browsers ect to rip away power from big tech. Let's all be honest do they have the right? Yes they do. Do I have the legal right to boycott them I sure as hell do, ive already switched from Chrome, I'm currently backing up my entire Gmail and Google drive contents before I delete my associated accounts, Ive canceled my amazon prime and will only be doing business with local conservative businesses. I've also pre paid for a phone without all the Google spyware so I get it when it's free. I will also ensure I turn back on my adblockers and no scripts on YouTube or any other anti conservative website, no add revenue while I consume their data.

The best part I own a business I probably do $7- 8,000 a month in Amazon orders, it's not a big number as some other companies may be but they're going to stop getting that right away. I'm also going to start turning away any customer that is left leaning. I can't discriminate based upon your skin color or gender but I could sure as hell discriminated if you have a Biden sticker or a beto sticker on your car, which are both somewhat common here in Texas. Because yes I fully do intend to discriminate against liberals going forward. That even includes if I see that they've been in an auto accident I'm not going to stop if I see a Democrat bumper sticker on the back of their car.
 

Plutoisaplanet

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Apple and google told Parlor that either they come up with a way to stop the violent rhetoric and hatespeech or else be delisted.

Parlor didn't do it.

Adios.

I bet they miss the good old Stormfront days lol.
Here is a quote from Bloomberg citing what Apple and Google requested that Parler implement (which they already have in place):
On Sunday, after the crackdown on his app, Matze issued a statement to clarify his earlier comments.

“In an interview this week, some believe I gave the impression that I somehow did not care whether Parler is used to incite violence. I want to set the record straight: That interpretation could not be further from the truth,” he said. “We do not condone or accept violence on our platform and we never will.”

He said Parler’s community guidelines expressly prohibit threats of violence or incitement, and the company has been working to enforce the rules.
Here is a quote to the Bloomberg article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-show-big-tech-s-power-over-web-conversation
And here is a link to their detailed community guidelines: https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...r.com/documents/Elaboration-on-Guidelines.pdf
 

Puiu

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We don't need change. Our constitution is just fine the way it is. What we need is for the swamp to stop violating the constitution. Trumps draining agenda is almost complete.
He's done draining the wallets of his followers after asking for donations to fight for "democracy". Now he has enough to pay his debts of hundreds of millions since he didn't use it for what people actually donated for :)
 

Puiu

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Here is a quote from Bloomberg citing what Apple and Google requested that Parler implement (which they already have in place):

Here is a quote to the Bloomberg article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-show-big-tech-s-power-over-web-conversation
And here is a link to their detailed community guidelines: https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...r.com/documents/Elaboration-on-Guidelines.pdf
Here are some examples of messages that were being posted and "moderated":

with threads like: "by all the Patriots descending on Washington DC on #jan6 ....come armed...." --> you can see why they had to ban it.

I can find a lot more examples if you truly need them, but these few ones are enough for most people to understand.

this is also really funny:
 

Plutoisaplanet

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Here are some examples of messages that were being posted and "moderated":

with threads like: "by all the Patriots descending on Washington DC on #jan6 ....come armed...." --> you can see why they had to ban it.

I can find a lot more examples if you truly need them, but these few ones are enough for most people to understand.

this is also really funny:
I can screenshot tweets before they’re deleted too, does it mean that Twitter should be removed from the Internet and the app store?
 

Puiu

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I can screenshot tweets before they’re deleted too, does it mean that Twitter should be removed from the Internet and the app store?
Except that those messages weren't removed (at least not before the media caught wind of them) and what was written in them actually happened. That's the problem, it wasn't just empty threats from trolls, people acted on these threats.

Now Parler HAS to delete such messages which is a good thing. They can't hide behind the "freedom of speech" defence forever, eventually they have to implement some sort of automated flagging system. Otherwise the app will just get abused by such people.
 

Ludak021

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After reading over 100 posts in this thread, it seems your entire argument boils down to: “the Democrats did it too...”

While we can debate the truth of that, you seem to have forgotten that “two wrongs don’t make a right”.... only 3 lefts can do that....

By all means, lets debate "Chad" and other zones like it and other crimes committed by socialists and anarchists in other cities, but not here, TechSpot is not the place for it.

Oh yea, you watch mainstream media, so you don't know about those, right?

edit: PS. I agree with you on the last part of your post that two wrongs do not make a right.
 

Squid Surprise

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By all means, lets debate "Chad" and other zones like it and other crimes committed by socialists and anarchists in other cities, but not here, TechSpot is not the place for it.

Oh yea, you watch mainstream media, so you don't know about those, right?

edit: PS. I agree with you on the last part of your post that two wrongs do not make a right.
Americans have committed atrocities in other nations for over a century.... Democrats and Republicans.... but you’d THINK that they’d at least draw the line when committing the atrocities in their own nation against their own people... glad I’m a Canuck...
 

Darth Shiv

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LOL, agreed until one of them starts banning the blue side...cough ;)
I don't give a flying F who they censor for illegal activity. Pedos, terrorists, whatever. There should NOT be free speech without consequences when you are up to illegal activity. PERIOD.

Parler has a simple path forward. This is not some mystical unreasonable change. Stop terrorists doing terrorism. Simple.
 

Darth Shiv

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Americans have committed atrocities in other nations for over a century.... Democrats and Republicans.... but you’d THINK that they’d at least draw the line when committing the atrocities in their own nation against their own people... glad I’m a Canuck...
Yep that John Bolton, Cheney, GW Bush aren't up on war crimes for Iraq says everything about accountability.
 
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