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Hackers reverse engineer Trojan used by German Police

By Jos · 10 replies
Oct 10, 2011
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  1. European hacking group Chaos Computer Club claims to have  successfully reverse engineered samples of German Police's lawful intercept malware, known as Quellen-TKÜ, finding that besides eavesdropping on Skype conversations it…

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  2. treeski

    treeski TS Evangelist Posts: 985   +230

    This is pretty bogus. I'm perfectly fine with law inforcement tapping someone's computer *if* (huge if here) they get a warrant... but they really should only be doing what their warrant allows them to do. Anything more is a huge issue to me.
  3. Not really, the difference between police having a warrant to search your house and having a warranty to watch what you do on the internet, is that the criminal in suspect doesn't know he is being watched.

    Also, if the police could obtain a warrant without the knowledge of the criminal and legally spy on him, what would stop them from doing that to another person or to you, even though you are innocent.
  4. Government spending $billions USD watching
    internet "Porno", on millions of unaware users.

    Millions of users online, means Government
    has nothing better to do, than spending tax
    payer monies.
  5. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    That's all well and good, but what is the alternative? It's great for everyone to decry everything the police and gov't do, but at the same time, nobody offers any other solutions.

    So is the answer to forbid the police to do any kind of surveillance on the chance that they will abuse their authority and spy on innocent people?
  6. The problem here is German Jurisdiction penetrating
    as legal rights to American Technology, has violated
    data communication issues.
  7. Who said the Stasi is gone? Oh, I forgot, the Stasi didn't do anything wrong. They were just state police spying on criminals. Yeah, right!
  8. anguis

    anguis TS Enthusiast Posts: 85   +12

    Sounds like they overstepped their legally given bounds (by the German court system). Also think it infringes international law of sorts (I know something like that would be illegal in the USA and if it passes data through US Datacenters it is definitely considered illegal).
  9. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Guru Posts: 451   +21

    I am confused, when the hell did beating the governments of the world mean owning a proper, *paid* internet security suite?

    That is what I paid Trend Micro for and if I was to be tapped successfully than the lawsuit would be with them, not the government…
  10. When people say things like "what is the alternative", that screams that such a person sees things purely in black-and-white, and not realistically.

    Allow me to ask you a simple question: Would you rather be subject to the wrongdoings of a handful of people with criminal intent, or the wrongdoings of a criminal government? A criminal government is quite literally ubiquitous. There's no escaping it. It's as if everybody in the country was suddenly forced to sign up for protection from the mafia (remember, the only way you can truly reject the authority of your government is to move outside of the boundaries of its authority; otherwise, all you can do is hope to change it from within).

    People aren't expecting the police to do *no* surveillance. People just expect their police to enact surveillance upon those who actually need to be watched. In other words, people with a criminal record who may be up to no good, or people who can be *reasonably suspected* of criminal intent. Again, in other words, as a commenter above me mentioned, if somebody has a reasonable warrant out against them. Everyday people should not be bothered (or rather, treated as criminals) by their government, period. Let's think about the greater good, here, as that is what the government is supposed to represent. It is *always* of the greater good to *protect* the rights of the common people first than it is to assume that everybody in the country is a criminal, until proven otherwise. Because the government in the latter scenario will never actually be convinced. Besides, such power is far too alluring to give up.
  11. @pinothyj
    should read your eula for trend micro or any other security suite for that matter. basically states they will do there due dillagence in defending your system. HOWEVER!!! if you are hacked or damages occur due to malware and so forth they are not liable.... so have fun with that lawsuit...

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