Huawei says it can build 1.4nm chips without ASML's most advanced machines

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What we know so far: Huawei Technologies is betting it can sidestep one of the semiconductor industry's most entrenched dependencies: the need for cutting-edge lithography machines. The company says it has developed a way to build advanced chips without access to the specialized equipment that has long defined the global pecking order in chipmaking.

The approach, still in development, aims to produce processors that reach transistor densities comparable to a 1.4-nanometer process by 2031. That level of density is widely viewed as the next milestone for leading chipmakers such as Intel, TSMC, and Samsung Electronics, all of which rely on extreme ultraviolet lithography systems made by ASML.

Huawei, which has been blocked from accessing that equipment under US export controls, is instead focusing on redesigning how chips are built internally. "Our solution is feasible and affordable," He Tingbo, president of Huawei's chip arm, said Monday at an event in Shanghai.

Huawei is trying to work around traditional fabrication limits and focusing on architectural changes. Its method centers on stacking multiple layers of circuitry on a single chip and improving the way data moves between them. The goal is to improve performance through efficiency gains rather than further shrinking components.

This strategy reflects a wider shift in semiconductor design. As the industry approaches the physical limits of transistor scaling, companies are increasingly exploring three-dimensional designs and advanced packaging to keep performance gains on track.

Huawei has branded part of its approach as "LogicFolding," a design framework that will appear in its next-generation Kirin smartphone chips, expected later this year.

The company says the architecture is designed to improve performance by reorganizing how processing elements are structured and how they communicate. Similar techniques are also being applied to chips intended for artificial intelligence, where speed often depends as much on data flow as on raw processing power.

Since being placed on a trade blacklist in 2019 and facing tighter US restrictions on advanced semiconductor technology since 2022, Huawei has been forced to develop internal alternatives.

The company said it has spent six years refining its semiconductor capabilities under these conditions and has already mass-produced 381 chip models using related techniques. However, it has not released independent data comparing the performance of its newest designs with those from established global competitors.

Industry observers see Huawei's progress as notable, though far from proven at scale. "Whether Huawei will gain a distinct advantage here remains to be seen, but it's at least an alternative path forward, a breakthrough Huawei managed to find while facing supply chain challenges," Lian Jye Su, a Singapore-based analyst at research firm Omdia, told the Wall Street Journal.

Stacking circuits introduces heat management challenges, as densely layered components can trap heat and affect reliability. It also increases design complexity, requiring more advanced software to coordinate operations across multiple layers of logic.

People familiar with the company's development efforts said Huawei only began achieving more stable results with the technology within the past year. Demonstrating that it can work reliably at scale – particularly in data center environments – will likely require further testing and collaboration with hardware and infrastructure partners.

If Huawei meets its timeline, the implications could be significant. A viable alternative to traditional chip manufacturing methods could lower production costs and weaken the industry's reliance on a narrow set of equipment providers. More broadly, it highlights how geopolitical pressure is accelerating experimentation in chip design, potentially reshaping how the next generation of semiconductors is built.

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If Huawei, or any other chip maker, can succeed and compete with these types of designs, imagine how much further in front of the market they will become when they inevitably obtain the tooling.
 
Nothingburger.
The company says it has developed something, but in the next sentence that same thing is described as "still in development". Which is true?
Huawey will probably have some product similar to what was cutting edge 3 years ago in the next 7-10 years, but ..so what?
 
It is not only about transistor density. It is also about power consumption, frequency scaling, yields. Each new smaller node brings in not only better transistor density but also better power consumption or frequency scaling. Huawei or anybody else might be able to produce some form of stacked logic but that will only solve the density, which, by itself, is not worth anything. What it worth is how fast you can produce the chips and how well they perform. stacking transistors will most likely need a lot more steps to produce per wafer, will make heat dissipation harder, and will not improve the frequency/power scaling. Also, more steps mean slower production and lower yields. So, in the end, the problem is not only producing stacked transistors, but gaining something from that.
 
This still baffles me, considering the market for selling such expensive machines isn’t “massive”, why ASML follows American orders to not sell to china, I don’t fully understand.

A couple of points here....first, China, by admission, has a 100 year plan to have a majority of the world economy, it not outright control it. Next, China does not play by the rules, massive subsidies, dumping, theft of technology and intellectual property. The have zero interest in becoming a part of the world economy, they want it all. They've already cornered markets and put foreign competitors out of business.

Lastly, since they are adversarial to the U.S., and targeted them with their shady policies and tactics, the U.S has every right to limit China's use of U.S. patented technology. Some of which is used by ASML

Besides, since ASML can sell every machine they build, why should the sell to China when their no friend to Europe either.
 
This still baffles me, considering the market for selling such expensive machines isn’t “massive”, why ASML follows American orders to not sell to china, I don’t fully understand.
One of the tradeoffs for relying on the us for defense and befitting from the massive US economy is going alone with the us' demands for trade restrictions. Especially since the US is STILL the one I charge of defending the world's shipping lanes, make sup a quarter of global consumer spending, ece ece ece.
 
Sure they can.

Intel is the closest competitor to TSMC. And they only have working 10nm (Intel 7)

Lets hope 18A and 14A will do well, or TSMC monopoly will continue

No chance for Samsung, their 2nm is a straight up lie, marketing nanometer
 
why ASML follows American orders to not sell to china, I don’t fully understand.
Well, even ignoring the fact that the CCP is a dictatorial regime that keeps millions of its own people in slave-labor genocide camps, ASML has likely seen that China's first step in getting new technology like this is to disassemble and reverse-engineer it, to steal its IP.
 
The "Land of Freedom" won't let a chinese company, Huawei, purchase lithography machines from ASML, a swiss company... Really feels like free commerce...

Free commerce? Red China is the Enemy (literally Satan) not just the enemy of the US but the enemy of the EU, first and foremost.

They seek to bankrupt EU's major auto manufacturers. FIAT & Co. PEUGEUOT. RENAULT. VOLKSWAGEN. AUDI. MERCEDES-BENZ. OPEL. etc.

They are very close to achieving that. An EU with its major automakers bankrupt won't be even worth 10 cents in the euro, governments (including the German political system) will collapse and that will probably also be the end of the EU experiment.

I don't think that the US is in as much danger from the CCP as the EU is. If the EU collapses, life in the US will go on as normal (pretty much like it did in WWI and WWII) while hell and brimstone and civil wars and worse will consume Europe.

So if anything, the Americans are doing all of us a favor, not the other way around.

Oh and for fans of the NT, Satan (a generic Hebrew term for the "Enemy") is described as a bright red dragon holding sway over many peoples and languages rising from the Sea. No nation in history has associated its history and folklore with Red Dragons as much as China, no nation. They are literally the nation of the Dragon. (Dragon is just a word of Greek origin meaning "fierce" and "serpent").

One day the CCP will come for us. It will be the end of the world for Europe and the start of the tribulations for the US and ANZAC.
 
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