Huawei's proposal to replace TCP/IP is going nowhere fast

nanoguy

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Huawei, and by extension, China isn't content with the TCP/IP communication protocol that governs how data moves around on the Internet, so in 2019 they issued a proposal for a replacement at an International Telecommunications Union (ITU) meeting.

The new system, dubbed "New IP" represents a radical change to the way Internet works, and the company claims it solves some of the technical issues that make it unsuitable for a hyperconnected world with a swarm of devices and sensors that need to power everything from augmented reality to self-driving cars and all manner of "implicit computing."

New IP would supposedly enable more reliable communications and handle the technical requirements of the fast-growing digital landscape, which is expected to balloon to one trillion Internet-connected devices by 2035. And while that sounds good on paper, there's also a touch of authoritarianism in the proposal, with several fine-grained controls that would lead to centralization, as well as tracking and censorship at the whim of governments.

Huawei believes the current network systems are headed towards a cluster of islands that require their own internal protocols and "translators" for communicating with each other. The company explained in the paper that it seeks to simplify these mechanisms to the point of having devices on the same network communicating directly with each other by using new tracking and authentication features developed for New IP.

However, the ITU -- which is led by Chinese communications engineer Houlin Zhao -- is hardly convinced, and will express its criticisms in detail at the World Telecommunication Standardisation Assembly in India later this year.

Others, such as the IETF have also dismissed the proposal as "harmful" and its premises as factually incorrect. The organization says there's no evidence of the "need for a monolithic 'New IP' designed from the top down." For instance, Huawei's proposal ignores extensive work that has already been done to improve the IP protocol stack for the Internet of Things (as detailed in RFC 8520), as well as QUIC, a new base protocol for HTTP that was developed with the help of Google.

The Internet Society also reviewed "New IP," and found it similarly concerning that Huawei ignored the costs of creating duplicative and overlapping work on addressing issues in the current protocol stack. The company also didn't explain how it plans to solve the potential effects of "New IP" on interoperability with networks using the current protocol system, and the regulatory complications that might arise.

Huawei says New IP should be ready for testing in early 2021, and that its research is open to engineers and organizations around the world if they want to contribute.

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Plutoisaplanet

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I'd support a replacement for IP if it included end-to-end encryption as a bedrock feature.
That’s coming through tcpencrypt. It would be supported on a system layer as opposed to an application layer so that most Internet communication is suddenly encrypted.
 
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Uncle Al

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Huawei's reputation has become tarnished enough that ANYTHING they produce will be seen as suspicious. While they try to rebuild their reputation, the political activities of China in Hong Kong appear to give further credence to ney sayers and sadly, the two faced approach just defeats any attempts for them to make a come back.
 

toooooot

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At this point, Huawei should start any announcement and presentation with: To benefit our great government that held our citizens from being free, to promote security and complete control of our people, to spy and steal, and the whatever they wanna say be it tcp replacement or whatever else they emulated.
 
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RobStow

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On the face of it, Huawei presented "New IP" as a mere "proposal".

Reading between the lines it seems like what they are really saying is "This is where China is going ... join us or you will have trouble interconnecting with us."
 

Alfatawi Mendel

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"For instance, Huawei's proposal ignores extensive work that has already been done to improve the IP protocol stack for the Internet of Things (as detailed in RFC 8520), as well as QUIC, a new base protocol for HTTP that was developed with the help of Google."
I don't know what's worse...Huawei giving all of my data to The Chinese govt, or Google tracking my every move and keystroke and giving it to my Govt.
 
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Alfatawi Mendel

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Huawei's reputation has become tarnished enough that ANYTHING they produce will be seen as suspicious. While they try to rebuild their reputation, the political activities of China in Hong Kong appear to give further credence to ney sayers and sadly, the two faced approach just defeats any attempts for them to make a come back.
As far as I'm aware...HongKong is Chinese territory and is entitled to police it as they see fit.
Just as the US and UK etc. are entitled to - and do - tear gas and brutalise their citizens using data provided by western tech companies.
 

3volv3d

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As far as I'm aware...HongKong is Chinese territory and is entitled to police it as they see fit.
Just as the US and UK etc. are entitled to - and do - tear gas and brutalise their citizens using data provided by western tech companies.
Hong Kong had kind of divorced China, for being, China. And as far as western civilization is going, I think we may need to start going to war with our own governments to take away the Monopolization that is controlling us, for it's one thing to be a slave, but to take away all the things that make life as a prisoner tolerable, which seems to be the case of late, is just crushing everyone's spirit.

At this point, Huawei should start any announcement and presentation with: To benefit our great government that held our citizens from being free, to promote security and complete control of our people, to spy and steal, and the whatever they wanna say be it tcp replacement or whatever else they emulated.
This is the way of any entity that has power to shape a way forward. Even if that way goes against what most of us would stand for.
Look at how technology is becoming beyond our control. It has so many enslaved to it, and much of it, is fruitless, a waste of time, detrimental to our growth as a race. But keeping people in pointless jobs with a pointless wage, in a pointless society, is the way they want us to live.
While we watch America's society collapsing, and wonder how it all happened, let's go back a step to Covids start, and what the key people decided to do at this early important stage.
1) Dump stocks on the sly with insider information they should not have had, and saved themselves.
2) Another attempt to put through more bills about net neutrality and the destruction of encryption.
Saving lives is not important, what is, is getting as much shady $#!T done as possible while everyone is distracted.
Or better yet in this case when people can't even get to where they need to be to vote against stupid ideas.

And we can go back a little bit further and blame Trump for everything, because let's face it he is by far the most erratic ***** out there by far. He lost all his money, and managed to get it all back, not by being smart, but I assume by the fact that like with the circles of Hollywood, Business people will also keep their friends heads above water, if there is something to be gained.

So how does a ***** get into power? Well we all know that ballots have been fiddled before right? Poor Al Gore!
So could China / Russia like they said really have wanted Trump in office so bad. If so doesn't whats happening right now look like something you would be aiming for to be happening.

This may all seem like where is he going with this. You are connected to an internet with shady countries. Give them their own network, let them do their own thing. Stop trading with them. Stop giving money and resources to countries who you deem an enemy ffs.