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If the iPad counts, Apple is now the top PC manufacturer worldwide

By Julio Franco · 37 replies
Jan 31, 2012
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  1. After a record breaking $46 billion quarter, timing continues to be perfect at Cupertino for a Steve Jobs' "boom" moment. Apple reportedly sold 15 million iPads and 5 million Macs…

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  2. Mac is okay but PC is a lot better
  3. "If the iPad counts..." It doesn't. It is not a PC, it's a gadget, a toy for people who have more money than common sense.
  4. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 512   +8

    "Personal Computer" i surely don't have one of those since my desktop is used by a lot of people in my family, mostly cousins, but still.

    If we talk about "Computers" well i would say that those energy saving bulbs win the market since some of them use logic gates on their integrated circuit.

    Sorry Apple you just lost that title.
  5. Qrox

    Qrox TS Booster Posts: 70   +30

    Agreed. Ipad is in no way a pc
  6. Modena

    Modena TS Booster Posts: 143

    Good for them. I wish I could sell overpriced items to the masses.
  7. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    I must have blacked out the year tablets became even remotely synonymous with personal computers. Tablets and PCs are mutually exclusive.

    I hate using an automobile analogy, but they are surprisingly useful. RVs are not cars, but they are vehicles. Just because they are vehicles, you can't consider them cars. The same logic applies.

    Just because tablets perform few of the same functions as a PC (e-mail, browsing, etc), which in the analogy would be being able to drive an RV the same way as a car, or it also having an engine, doesn't mean their purposes are intrinsically equal. Because of their distinct inequality, a distinct label should apply to each.

    Apple deserves praise for creating a market, but I don't believe this new market should be merged with another just be because some haven't figured out their true differences.

    This is not directed to TechSpot, but to everyone in general.
  8. dedparrot

    dedparrot TS Rookie Posts: 67

    a lot of people use their computers to browse the internet (facebook, twitter etc.), listen to music, watch videos. so the iPad seems to perform the same function as a PC for a lot of people.

    the fact that Apple sell their devices at (what i feel, but not entirely true) extortionate prices, within a monkey simplistic OS, manages to destroy any sound reasoning employed by the critics of Apple.

    i'm on the fence about wanting an iPad. it performs nearly all the things i do on a pc, which is browse the web and play games. the iPad can't come close to fulfilling my need for online fps games, but it sure can browse the web well, whenever and wherever. i said i'm on the fence because buying an Apple products makes me feel that i'm supporting the dumbing down of personal computers. iOS just simply feels like jump into an app, jump out of an app, jump into an app, jump out of an app.
  9. mario

    mario Ex-TS Developer Posts: 398   +17

    "Good for them. I wish I could sell overpriced items to the masses."

    Yeah because there are a bunch of tablets similar to the iPad that are far less cheaper, the same goes to the Macbook Air and the iPhone.

    Most competitors debut costing more than the iPad and then they drop prices after their tablets sell terribly.

    The "Apple is overpriced" argument was OK up until 3-5 years ago, it's getting boring and outdated now please find new ways to dish Apple.
  10. dedparrot

    dedparrot TS Rookie Posts: 67

    what i meant to say was, apple critics don't employ sound reasoning because a lot of them are so riled up about the fascistic iOS and the price of their devices.
  11. For me Personal Computer is a device that need to have:
    1. CPU
    2. GPU
    3. Memory (RAM)
    4. Storage (HDD, SSD)
    5. Display
    6. Input (keyboard, mouse, touch screen)
    7. Operating System (Linux, Unix, Windows ,iOS)
    8. Most important being able to install and run programs / applications.
    9. And these days being able to network (TCP/IP) - wireless or cable.

    As iPad has all that it should be considered a PC.
  12. If Hp or Dell or anyone had the sales/profit that Apple has, I don't think they would give a darn about what an Ipad is. Is it a pc? Is a tablet? no, its called a Profit!
  13. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    That's precisely why I used the RV analogy. You can not only drive an RV, but you can sleep, eat and live in it. You can't do that on a car.

    Just because you can also put gas in an RV, or be able to drive it around, doesn't justify labeling it as a car. Its purpose and objective is completely different.

    The tablet market does blur the line between PC and Tablet, but it doesn't erase it entirely.

    I especially blame the OS that runs the competing platform. Android is an absolutely terrible tablet OS. It's clear Google doesn't care about the user experience, and only cares about putting as many devices that can use their services (and see their ads) as they can. This is the very reason fragmentation in the Android platform is so common.

    The Asus Transformer is literally 300 less than the iPad, and I can assure you, if Apple made iOS cross-platform, it would perform equally or better than the iPad 2.

    The same applies to smartphones. You can go into an AT&T store and buy a $50 Windows Phone, that runs in older hardware compared to iPhone 4S, but regarding smoothness and efficiency (of the OS), it manages to outperform iOS.

    (I've owned a Samsung Focus for 9 months now, and I’ve never let the battery die (fortunately, I always happen to be near an outlet!). Mostly because of my job, I just can’t afford to let it die.
    With that said, it has never “frozen” on me once. My phone has been “on” for 9 straight months without a hitch.)

    In essence, Apple products are not overpriced because of their hardware, but because of their experience. And I like that (my girlfriend has the 4S, and I enjoy it). But when people criticize Apple they don't take into consideration that the reason most people choose Apple over Android is not necessarily hardware, but software (and to those drinking less of the kool-aid, both). To you that might seem unfair, but, realistically, a gadget is not only composed of software.

    Regardless of the experience however, the iPad 2 should at least cost 400-450 dollars, considering the iPad 2 costs them $330 to make.
  14. TechM633

    TechM633 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    Boy, just imagine if the Xbox counted......or any phone that has a full OS on it? Just imagine......lol.
  15. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,467   +500

    Is the iPad a PC? No. But, there are actual tablet PCs out there, which were in the industry long before the iPad was born (been using them in control products for over a decade personally). So, it's hard for me to consider tablets and PCs mutually exclusive, since there are really 2 levels of tablets: actual tablet PCs (with full PC operating systems) and the current wave of tablet appliances, which have basically hijacked the "tablet" moniker. They can be very similar in form factor, with wildly different abilities and user experiences.

    The lines are going to continue to blur as time goes on. Windows 8 stands to make the entire "tablet vs PC" argument fuzzy. Some seem to keep repeating the "tablets are a fad" mantra, almost like they are trying to convince themselves more than the people around them, but the tablet form factor seems likely to be here to stay. What's inside that tablet, both hardware and software, is where the evolution is occurring. Maybe, by the iPad's 5th generation, it will be computer-ish enough that we will consider it a PC... Stranger things have happened.
  16. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,547   +432

    I could argue that when you look at highway traffic statistics, or the amount of travelers on the road during a holiday (as is often reported by news agencies during the holidays) that RVs would be included in that number. So... tablets could be included in the PC sales. Especially like one of the posters above said, most of what people do on PCs can be done on tablets now.
  17. But it doesn't. Sry brah.
  18. veLa

    veLa TS Evangelist Posts: 854   +301

    Well we don't live in what if land.
  19. If you include IPads as a computer does that mean the figures include the $99/$149 HP Touchpad? I am not an expert but for several months I thought Touchpad was the biggest seller of pad devices. I really hate these drive-by news bites with imaginary computers added to the figures, what if you added HPs Business servers to the imaginary mix.. they are closer to PCs than a pad device. If you are going to include an IPad which is not a PC, shouldn't you include the touchpad. Bet HP still wins. Apple wins in the profit margin but what do people who actually have a brain and a budget buy? I love my Touchpad, it will be a little more useful when Android for Touchpad is out of beta. And it only cost 99 bucks and does what most people use pads for, mail, web browsing, music and movies right now.
  20. EEatGDL

    EEatGDL TS Evangelist Posts: 693   +376

    LOL, your enlisting is quite vague, is like the ancient greeks defining a human like an animal without feathers and 2 feet; then we're plucked chickens. Any engineer would differ pretty much about the definition of a PC; which nowadays is clearly hard to define and make it differ from other form factors and concepts. So by your definition for example, the ASUS transformer is clearly a PC because it has all of the above and even USB ports; the iPad lacks of removable media which the Transformer and almost all cellphones have (SD memory). Even a netbook may not have an optical drive for removable media or maybe a few not even memory readers; but they all surely have USB that may be used to plug USB memories, again removable media. So... by definition: a PC must have removable media/drives in that "Pro-Apple list"; even the old Windows 1.0 PCs had floppy drive. So clearly that must go in the list as a component of PC, at least. So let's ask us: by that list any touchscreen smartphone with those components and a memory card is a computer now?

    Let's check back again Samsung numbers, a company that sells "computers", smartphones and tablets; it surely would make a difference in the market share, don't you think?
  21. monkeychef23

    monkeychef23 TS Member Posts: 73

    Guess what; we don't factor Ipads into PC sales, so Apple is not the largest PC vendor.

    It's like saying if Romney wasn't running, Santorum would be winning. But guess what, Romney IS RUNNING so who honestly cares. (btw idk who is in or out, and santorum might be out already).
  22. AmpFeare

    AmpFeare TS Rookie Posts: 26

    macs are overrated and way too price. u can do anything development wise on windows the same way u can with mac osx u just need to know the right programs. i could buid the best gaming machine on the market today for roughly 2.5k this includes a top notch monitor and an extra expensive sound system. so why pay 2gs for a half *** specd mac when u could build the best windows pc out to date for roughly the same price.

    or u could buildyour own pc with the same specs as all the imacs for half the price, u choose
  23. waterproof

    waterproof TS Booster Posts: 205

    Not everyone are buying brand name 'PC', a lot of my friends and including myself are building our own PCs, whether basic or gaming purposes. It's cheaper and you get more out of it than 'branded' PC sets.
  24. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,547   +432

    Does a spelling and grammar check come included in your PC purchase?
  25. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,547   +432

    Good point, surprised nobody else mentioned it prior. It is usually mentioned right away. Does anyone have any data on this though? Serious question, I don't know.

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