Intel 14th-gen Core desktop processors will likely require a new LGA 2551 socket

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captaincranky

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Highly unlikely that they need the extra pins and size. Even if they did, it is the case of the 'boy who cried wolf'; No one would believe them if they did as its what they've always done. If AMD can last multiple generations of CPU, then im sure 'the mighty, all wise, not out to money grab' Intel could do it.
Well, like I said, I don't think the 800+ extra pins are there for no reason. Doesn't the "Threadripper" socket have something like 4000 puns?

If I wanted to be a a**hole, (which I often do), I'd say AMD could have shoehorned that into an AM-5 board too.

In any case, "hate on". (y) (Y)
 

eforce

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Went from 1000 to 3000 to 5000 series on a 1st gen board, swap over is very straight forward.

Think I'll hold off on 7000 until DDR5 is more mature/cheaper.
 

Steve

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In reality, the percentage of customers who upgrade the CPU on an older motherboard is significantly under 1%, which makes the whole compatibility argument pointless.

I've been in the IT industry for 30 years, and neither me no anybody I know ever tried to upgrade the CPU. You buy MB + CPU together, don't care about some special cases.

This is very wrong. We found half of all AM4 owners upgraded their CPU on the same board from over 40K votes.
 

Mr Majestyk

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Yeah like I just upgraded my 1700X to a 3700X which was replaced by a 5800X in another system. Two PCs with upgraded CPU's.

I'll think that guy must have been thinking of Intel owners that probably never bothered upgrading for a measly 2% IPC uplift year-on-year for 5 years.
 
In reality, the percentage of customers who upgrade the CPU on an older motherboard is significantly under 1%, which makes the whole compatibility argument pointless.

I've been in the IT industry for 30 years, and neither me no anybody I know ever tried to upgrade the CPU. You buy MB + CPU together, don't care about some special cases.

Not really following this... Who is swapping CPU's in a work environment anyway? You just order a new Optiplex.

Also, I'm personally on a X370 board and have upgraded my CPU 3 times. The ability to do this will forever keep me with AMD.
 

Crinkles

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<p>It's unfortunate that Intel plans to change sockets\</p>

What 's unfortunate, that a new cpu needs a socket on a motherboard that works?

Attention: 2551 minus 1700 equals 8
But then again when Intel "finally" did release the Core 2 Duo E-6300, they damned near put AMD out of business

And I'd say the majority of you were tripping over yourselves to get one.

Never shortchange the boss.

There are a fair share who buy new motherboards AFTER one of these planned upgrades "don't work", sometimes they even buy a complete Intel change-over kit. Tips hat, go for it used motherboarder.
 

pencea

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In reality, the percentage of customers who upgrade the CPU on an older motherboard is significantly under 1%, which makes the whole compatibility argument pointless.

I've been in the IT industry for 30 years, and neither me no anybody I know ever tried to upgrade the CPU. You buy MB + CPU together, don't care about some special cases.

Just because you or people you know don't do it doesn't mean it's a minoity thing or others doesn't. Plenty of people I know upgrades often on the same socket generation.

This whole I've been in the IT undustry for 30 years doesn't make your credibility facts as a whole for the general masses.
 

captaincranky

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This whole I've been in the IT undustry for 30 years doesn't make your credibility facts as a whole for the general masses.
Actually it does. The simple facts of the matter are, that members of this community. are much more likely to upgrade a CPU, without changing the board, than a vast majority of the public at large. As an "uneducated guess" I would say that 30 or 50% of the AMD proponents here at Techspot are likely to upgrade a CPU in the same board, as opposed to a "zero in ten", probability in the public at large.

I've never changed a CPU in a system I've built. I pick out the parts, (that I can afford), assemble the system, and I'm done with it. Too many other things are happening in the industry, (DDR2 to DDR3 as one example), to worry about, or tinker with, replacing the CPU by itself.

The money I would have to spend on another CPU by itself, (IMO), is money better put toward upgrading the entire system. But then, I'm probably "atypical". Instead of having one incredibly formidable machine as "the god I pray to", I delegate different tasks to multiple lesser machines.
 
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Crinkles

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Just because you or people you know don't do it doesn't mean it's a minoity thing or others doesn't. Plenty of people I know upgrades often on the same socket generation.

Is that plenty of people supposed to trump another posters plenty of people?

"14th-gen Core desktop processors may require" - a new mount.

I have never had a problem with this, and I've never been "terrorized" by intel into buying "new" stuff. Complainers take the golden cake. A new design comes from a clean sheet, AMD's recycles are compromises.
 

Crinkles

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Actually it does. The simple facts of the matter are, that members of this community. are much more likely to upgrade a CPU, without changing the board, than a vast majority of the public at large. As an "uneducated guess" I would say that 30 or 50% of the AMD proponents here at Techspot are likely to upgrade a CPU in the same board, as opposed to a "zero in ten", probability in the public at large.

I've never changed a CPU in a system I've built. I pick out the parts, (that I can afford), assemble the system, and I'm done with it. Too many other things are happening in the industry, (DDR2 to DDR3 as one example), to worry about, or tinker with, replacing the CPU by itself.

The money I would have to spend on another CPU by itself, (IMO), is money better put toward upgrading the entire system. But then, I'm probably "atypical". Instead of having one incredibly formidable machine as "the god I pray to", I delegate different tasks to multiple lesser machines.

Nah, you're not atypical, the protectors of old motherboards society are the radical-atyp's. I have always charged for a cpu swap, practically never for other parts, this stuff is so easy to work with. I will not assume responsibility for a cpu mounted on an old, used motherboard.
 

Irata

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In reality, the percentage of customers who upgrade the CPU on an older motherboard is significantly under 1%, which makes the whole compatibility argument pointless.

I've been in the IT industry for 30 years, and neither me no anybody I know ever tried to upgrade the CPU. You buy MB + CPU together, don't care about some special cases.

I think you might be wrong with these numbers - Hardware Unboxed asked viewers and numbers were considerably higher for AM4 upgraders.
Looking at e.g. Minfactory CPU vs Mainboard sales numbers is another indicator.

Not having to change MB is not only a financial factor but also much less hassle - installing and connecting a mainboard is - at least for me - the least ‚fun‘ part of assembling a PC.

Lastly, many bring up the fact that Ryzen 5000 on AM4 is a ‚dead end‘ platform vs Alder Lake when Intel‘s two gen socket support essentially makes every one of their platforms dead end from the start. Where‘s the upgrade path for e.g. a 12700K that makes sense from a price / perf perspective ? Imho, one gen upgrades rarely make sense unless something drastically changes like e.g. doubling of (real) core count or using a newer process.


 

AlaskaGuy

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In reality, the percentage of customers who upgrade the CPU on an older motherboard is significantly under 1%, which makes the whole compatibility argument pointless.

I've been in the IT industry for 30 years, and neither me no anybody I know ever tried to upgrade the CPU. You buy MB + CPU together, don't care about some special cases.
Most AMD users are poors ... they'll use a 5+ year old board held together with duct tape just so they have enough money for bus fare.
 

Crinkles

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Hardware Unboxed asked viewers and numbers were considerably higher for AM4 upgraders.
Looking at e.g. Minfactory CPU vs Mainboard sales numbers is another indicator.

Laughing at the mindfactory, part of whose job is to obscure sales date. Steve from HUB works here, so -no comment.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Not just poor, they're dirt cheap-ists. Always have been, always will be.
I post a lot of gaming builds on another site and I can usually spot the AMD owners just by their avatar. If they have one of those creepy anime avatars of some young girl the chances that they want an AMD build with a white case and a crap load of RGB is 90% or better if I had to guess.
 

ypsylon

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Of course it's nothing new from Intel. Theirs whole plan is to produce as much e-waste as possible.

But everybody who says: "everybody should buy only AMD because of this" also don't really know in what world they live in.

Granted with AM4 AMD sorta keept their promise, but not because they were benevolent. No simple fact at the beginning of Zen AMD simply lacked any capital for such outlandish CPU socket carousel as Intel did. They simply stuck to AM4 because it was decent platform enough, but still screwed people over after whole saga of 16Mb BIOS and why you absolutely "MUST" to buy same board but with 32Mb BIOS die. Right now we see for what it really was. Elaborate lie to force people to buy new because you can perfectly well drop in 58003DX into Zen 1 board and it'll work just as well. Same with Threadrippers X399 got 1 generation, TRX40 got one generation, WRX80 1 - on purpose delayed and Leonovo-gated so people will buy something they don't really want instead WRX80 which they do. With Epyc all lies with regards to SP3 socket (of 'normal' TR) came to the fore when it was revealed that you can drop-in as a upgrade* Epyc Milan into Gen1 Epyc Naples and it will work perfectly well.

* - Of course you need BIOS upgrade, which is not offered by most vendors for obvious reasons, and you won't get PCIe Gen4 on Gen3 boards, but it'll work. Just like TRX40 TR should work in X399, but no, no, AMD made sure there is no upgrade path.

So before you start singing praises know the score about both. AMD=Intel. Intel=AMD. Except color there is no difference. AMD raised to Intel scummy level inside one generation of CPUs (based on Zen3).
 
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