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I saw the gaming benchmarks and am really not impressed at all. Other scores were good but claims of 30%+ gaming lead over AMD Zen 3 are bullcrap.
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The problem is they chose a bunch of GPU limited games... I will be interested in seeing their "mega 30 game roundup" whenever they get around to it.I saw the gaming benchmarks and am really not impressed at all. other scores were good but claims of 30%+ gaming lead over AMD Zen 3 are bullcrap.
Intel have destroyed AMD after just one year. The 12900K is significantly cheaper than the 5950X and it’s smoking it. This is where things should be, Ryzen 5000 is 2020 hardware. It should be par for the course for 2021 hardware to beat it.
Buyers won’t be put off by the power consumption. You don’t buy a top end unlocked K series CPU if you care about power efficiency. These Alder lake parts will outsell their competitors by an order of magnitude.
I look forward to seeing the benchmarks of the 12600K. Which I feel is a more realistic purchase for most people.
Lol, it’s only $100! I’d say that’s significant. It’s certainly better than the price increases we had from AMD last year.Definitely not significantly cheaper. If you can afford a $600 CPU, you can afford a $700 CPU. It would have been embarrassing if Intel didn't beat a CPU that's over a year old now..on their second try. LOL
The problem is they chose a bunch of GPU limited games... I will be interested in seeing their "mega 30 game roundup" whenever they get around to it.
The problem is they chose a bunch of GPU limited games... I will be interested in seeing their "mega 30 game roundup" whenever they get around to it.
With that criterion, we'll end up with a nuclear plant and an ocean to cool the CPU down. The idea is that the flagship CPU should be fast and with optimal power consumption to reduce heat. This is so in my book.But there are plenty of coolers that will handle the CPU without throttling... Will they cost more... YES... should that matter if you are purchasing a top-of-the-line CPU? NO!
You want practical, buy the i7 or i5...
Spring for a 3090? They has several they just tend to be amd biased around here so they keep the 3090's in their personal rigs at home (that way they can continue to enjoy the benefits without giving up their "we are AMD fans like you all" approach to engagement.
I would be careful about making these claims. There is a possibility that the next gen Ryzen parts might use more power than Alder lake. The efficiency crown changes quite frequently.With that criterion, we'll end up with a nuclear plant and an ocean to cool the CPU down. The idea is that the flagship CPU should be fast and with optimal power consumption to reduce heat. This is so in my book.
Dam, Intel went and eviscerated AMD! Its good to see, maybe now AMD will knock down their prices, which lets face it were hiked this time last year with the 5000 series and I paid for that lol.
But its 12 months too late for me and I cant see my 5800X dying anytime soon at all.
I find the power consumption arguments amusing, clutching at straws much? lol.
What would impress me is savage price cuts on Ryzen 5000, maybe some 1000 series pricing. That would benefit us consumers. Maybe that way AMD can restore their reputation. Currently they charge more than Intel for silicon and that’s just backwards.
I guess you havent actually seen the numbers, in most tests the 12900K wins against the 5950X, its factually incorrect to claim they are matched, the 12900K is demonstrably faster on average. and its a LOT cheaper. Certainly here in the UK it is, over £100 cheaper. Even the Z690 boards arent coming in much higher if at all the X570 and they have a lot more features like PCIe5 and Thunderbolt etc. Intel is now ahead of AMD, I dont actually care if they are using E cores or whatever, core count really doesnt matter to me, actual performance does. So if 8P cores + 8E cores work out faster than 16 Zen 3 cores then clearly the Intel design is better.... lol not even. Invented all new tech to just match a 1yr old AMD design. I'd still pay for a threadripper if winning ''cinebench wars'' was all I cared about.
But seriously .. All the extra silicon for the Ecores, special schedulers .. special on die routing ... special compiler requirements ... just to match a 5950 most of the time?. It is ''neat'', but this is not what intel promised me. This is disappointing.. but then nobody will but this cpu outside a prebuilt box since everyone is sitting on 3 year old videocards (unless you're a rich bragart) .. I do not see this selling well outside of oems.
>What I am interested in< .. is the workstation variants of those things .. *that* I can use and buy... get this sad consumer excuse off my plate and back in the kitchen .. needs work
How about limiting CPU power consumption on same level and see which one is faster? But of course power consumption doesn't matter now. It only matters when Intel has lower...I guess you havent actually seen the numbers, in most tests the 12900K wins against the 5950X, its factually incorrect to claim they are matched, the 12900K is demonstrably faster on average. and its a LOT cheaper. Certainly here in the UK it is, over £100 cheaper. Even the Z690 boards arent coming in much higher if at all the X570 and they have a lot more features like PCIe5 and Thunderbolt etc. Intel is now ahead of AMD, I dont actually care if they are using E cores or whatever, core count really doesnt matter to me, actual performance does. So if 8P cores + 8E cores work out faster than 16 Zen 3 cores then clearly the Intel design is better.
Also have you seen the 12600K reviews on other sites? Go read them if you want to learn exactly how Intel have "eviscerated" AMD. And thats where most people will be buying.
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Intel Core i5-12600K Review - Winning Price/Performance
The Core i5-12600K is the price/performance king in the Intel Alder Lake lineup. With its competitive pricing of $300, it's a clear winner against AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X and faster than even the 5800X in many applications and games. This is the gaming CPU you want.www.techpowerup.com
I understand a lot of AMD fans are going to have a hard time coping with the news that their beloved 5000 series is no longer kicking bums and taking names. But it was always going to happen at somepoint or another. I have a 5800X and I have no shame in admiting that it is now second tier to Intels Alder lake.
Intel's "gaming chip" cannot even run most AAA games 🤦♂️There was one pause for me in the Core i9 12600K's benchmarking, however, and that's when it came to Assassin's Creed: Valhalla. This game simply will not boot on either of our Intel Alder Lake test systems, and it's an ongoing issue (likely related to the DRM issues Intel has officially confirmed with Alder Lake) that Intel has told me it is looking into, with Ubisoft's help.
While it is hardly the Ryzen stomping that many predicted, the single generation leap is way beyond impressive. Gotta give them two thumbs up for that.
I guess you havent actually seen the numbers, in most tests the 12900K wins against the 5950X, its factually incorrect to claim they are matched, the 12900K is demonstrably faster on average. and its a LOT cheaper. Certainly here in the UK it is, over £100 cheaper. Even the Z690 boards arent coming in much higher if at all the X570 and they have a lot more features like PCIe5 and Thunderbolt etc. Intel is now ahead of AMD, I dont actually care if they are using E cores or whatever, core count really doesnt matter to me, actual performance does. So if 8P cores + 8E cores work out faster than 16 Zen 3 cores then clearly the Intel design is better.
Also have you seen the 12600K reviews on other sites? Go read them if you want to learn exactly how Intel have "eviscerated" AMD. And thats where most people will be buying.
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Intel Core i5-12600K Review - Winning Price/Performance
The Core i5-12600K is the price/performance king in the Intel Alder Lake lineup. With its competitive pricing of $300, it's a clear winner against AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X and faster than even the 5800X in many applications and games. This is the gaming CPU you want.www.techpowerup.com
I understand a lot of AMD fans are going to have a hard time coping with the news that their beloved 5000 series is no longer kicking bums and taking names. But it was always going to happen at somepoint or another. I have a 5800X and I have no shame in admiting that it is now second tier to Intels Alder lake.
I want to call Steves price of the Asus TUF Gaming X570 Gaming Plus being $160. I have this board and I paid $200 for it one year ago. I cant find it today for less than $195. Steve claims $160 for this board and then claims that AMDs platform is $20-$40 cheaper which is a bit unfair imo. These are small differences so maybe there was an offer on the TUF board that has now expired. From what I can see Z690 boards dont cost much more at all then X570 boards generally but they do have more features like PCIe5, DDR5 and Thunderbolt, making them far better value. In fact if you opt for a DDR4 board they are coming in a little cheaper than X570 but still has PCIe5 and thunderbolt.
The cost of the cooler is the real difference although I dont think the 5950X is going to be happy on a cheap cooler.
Neither platform is EVER a reason to purchase as an upgrade from the other company's flagship... Unless you have too much money and need bragging rights.Shrug .. tom-shardware is the same as here.. it is 'good' and 'neat' but gaming is on >>average<< about +/- 10% .. hardly worth a full platform rebuy. To each thier own. But after all the ridiculous uber hype slides from intel marketing ... this is utterly disappointing since I am not a cinebench user
I guess you havent actually seen the numbers, in most tests the 12900K wins against the 5950X, its factually incorrect to claim they are matched, the 12900K is demonstrably faster on average. and its a LOT cheaper. Certainly here in the UK it is, over £100 cheaper. Even the Z690 boards arent coming in much higher if at all the X570 and they have a lot more features like PCIe5 and Thunderbolt etc. Intel is now ahead of AMD, I dont actually care if they are using E cores or whatever, core count really doesnt matter to me, actual performance does. So if 8P cores + 8E cores work out faster than 16 Zen 3 cores then clearly the Intel design is better.
Also have you seen the 12600K reviews on other sites? Go read them if you want to learn exactly how Intel have "eviscerated" AMD. And thats where most people will be buying.
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Intel Core i5-12600K Review - Winning Price/Performance
The Core i5-12600K is the price/performance king in the Intel Alder Lake lineup. With its competitive pricing of $300, it's a clear winner against AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X and faster than even the 5800X in many applications and games. This is the gaming CPU you want.www.techpowerup.com
I understand a lot of AMD fans are going to have a hard time coping with the news that their beloved 5000 series is no longer kicking bums and taking names. But it was always going to happen at somepoint or another. I have a 5800X and I have no shame in admiting that it is now second tier to Intels Alder lake.
Not going to disagree ...Neither platform is EVER a reason to purchase as an upgrade from the other company's flagship... Unless you have too much money and need bragging rights.
If you had already purchased a 10900 (or 11900 for some stupid reason), you'd still be a fool to purchase a 5950 as an upgrade... yes, it's better - but certainly not "better enough" to justify spending north of $2000 on a whole new system.
The point of these reviews is to inform the reader who is already planning on a new PC which one to purchase...
If you are running something 7-8 years old and need (or want) a new PC... what do you buy now?
Well, until this week, the answer was almost always "whatever AMD CPU fits your needs/budget"... now, the answer is a lot murkier...
If you just want professional/workstation tasks, I'd stick with the 5950... (or spring for a threadripper if you have the cash), but if you want the best gaming PC... well, Intel has a pretty good case for choosing them now.