Intel's unvaccinated employees face unpaid leave

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midian182

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A hot potato: Intel is joining Google and several other tech companies in coming down hard on workers who don’t comply with its vaccine mandate. Any currently unvaccinated employees must get their jab or present a legal exemption by January 4. The alternative is unpaid leave.

The Associated Press obtained an internal memo from Intel Chief People Officer Christy Pambianchi sent on December 7 stating that unvaccinated employees must seek medical or religious exemption and submit to weekly testing, even if they are working from home. The memo adds that Intel will review these exemptions until March 15 of next year.

Any unvaccinated employees whose exemption requests are not granted will begin unpaid leave on April 4 for at least three months, during which time they will keep their health benefits. However, unlike Google, Intel emphasized that the workers in question “will not be terminated.”

Both Intel and Google put their vaccine mandates in place to comply with a Biden administration executive order. It requires US companies with 100 or more employees to ensure their workers are fully vaccinated or regularly tested for Covid-19 by January 18. It’s facing several legal challenges in the courts, including being blocked by a federal judge in Georgia on December 7, but many firms are still pressing ahead with the requirement.

“We are closely monitoring the legal environment and expect it will take time for the case in Georgia, as well as other similar cases, to be fully resolved,” Intel said in a statement to Oregon Live. "In the meantime, we remain focused on keeping our employees regularly informed of updates, required actions, and next steps – which at present include preparing for testing and accommodation requests."

Unvaccinated Googlers may be hit with even harsher consequences. Those who have not been vaccinated or granted an exemption by January 18 will face paid administrative leave for 30 days. If they still haven’t satisfied Google’s requirements during this time, they will be put on unpaid administrative leave for up to six months. Should the employees continue to refuse the vaccine or fail to receive exempt status, they will be fired.

In related news, rising Covid-19 infections and the emergence of the Omicron variant have seen several big names pull out of or severely limit their in-person appearance at CES 2022.

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Plutoisaplanet

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Religious exemption? wt actual f? what is that, 16th century?
Considering the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines relied on research from aborted fetal cell lines in its early R&D, for some it’s unethical to take any of the approved vaccines currently in existence. For >90% of the population this is of no concern, but the other vaccines are mass produced by actually growing cells stemming from an aborted human fetus from the 70s and the cells are filtered out of the final product. Abortion is morally wrong for many in the world, so you could see why there could be religious concerns around the vaccines (and precisely because it isn’t the 16th century anymore lol).
 

pelopidas

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Back when the schools still taught history and we learned about the nazification of Germany, we often wondered how a country could go along with, what from the outside is an obvious social mass psychosis. Well, apparently there are a majority of people who just do what seems to be the new normal thing of today.
Oddly enough it started with medical fascism back then to. It was all about health.
But I guess we are going to force the dirty disgusting disease-riddled unvaccinated out on the streets because if they don’t vaccinate agains a cold then your vaccine won’t work.
At least back then we had personalities and uniforms. Now it is bland, uniformless but fascism nonetheless.
 

Vulcanproject

Posts: 1,506   +2,736
Back when the schools still taught history and we learned about the nazification of Germany, we often wondered how a country could go along with, what from the outside is an obvious social mass psychosis. Well, apparently there are a majority of people who just do what seems to be the new normal thing of today.
Oddly enough it started with medical fascism back then to. It was all about health.
But I guess we are going to force the dirty disgusting disease-riddled unvaccinated out on the streets because if they don’t vaccinate agains a cold then your vaccine won’t work.
At least back then we had personalities and uniforms. Now it is bland, uniformless but fascism nonetheless.

I think it's a fine line between personal freedoms and the right of an employer to demand certain qualifications to do your job. Whether that's a level of competency or simply physical fitness. We live in a world where employers have more responsibility towards their employee's health than ever before. The Army for example expects you to be getting various shots before deployment, if you refused then you were toast. Likewise, there are still allowable exemptions.

I see where you're going with the Nazi Germany health and social 'programs' however that's a very long jump in my opinion from this. They are so well documented and known it's a bit extreme to think we're sliding towards thinly veiled pogroms. Come on.
 

dangh

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Considering the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines relied on research from aborted fetal cell lines in its early R&D, for some it’s unethical to take any of the approved vaccines currently in existence. For >90% of the population this is of no concern, but the other vaccines are mass produced by actually growing cells stemming from an aborted human fetus from the 70s and the cells are filtered out of the final product. Abortion is morally wrong for many in the world, so you could see why there could be religious concerns around the vaccines (and precisely because it isn’t the 16th century anymore lol).
Nearly all modern medicine have its roots in moraly challenging experiments, incuding 2ww. Cell lines created on fetus cells is already just a set of cells, artificially raised and breed in labs for decades.
And nearly all modern vacines, not only covid ones, are used those cells in development process.
Pope himself gave clear instructions on this very topic:
and still, I can come up with any bs religion and back up any stupidity I want, because religion told me so. That's why in secular countries religion should be secondary to the law, without any exceptions.
 

dangh

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Back when the schools still taught history and we learned about the nazification of Germany, we often wondered how a country could go along with, what from the outside is an obvious social mass psychosis. Well, apparently there are a majority of people who just do what seems to be the new normal thing of today.
Oddly enough it started with medical fascism back then to. It was all about health.
But I guess we are going to force the dirty disgusting disease-riddled unvaccinated out on the streets because if they don’t vaccinate agains a cold then your vaccine won’t work.
At least back then we had personalities and uniforms. Now it is bland, uniformless but fascism nonetheless.
It's a pity your schools taught only nazi history, as health focus was clear in ancient greek or rome. It is not anything very modern, or weird, or nazi - like: healthy society contributes better to the pack. That's how evolution works, that's how any animal on planet grow stronger. Unhealthy ones were victims to predators, healthy ones would thrive.

Now we have real montary interest to not being healthy. Corporations want's people to be eating fast food and spending hospital bills. they created this all fat-acceptance bullshit up and made it in the way that doesn't sound like cut-off legs acceptance, cataracta acceptance, 'I never bathed' acceptance. If you broke your arm you do not accept it, just getting this fixed. If someone is obesse - oh, that's fine, lets accept it! you might die, get in debt, be a nuissance for everyone, but money flows, get a pizza.
Or people will keep saying 'nazi psychosis started with health focus'... ;) forgetting about their appeal to poor in the economically challenging time. corelation doesn't mean causation.
 

MisterSpock

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The problems with pandemics include requiring a societal response to minimize deaths, hospitalizations, cases, or a combination of the three.

If we are dealing with a disease that requires an extreme proportion of the population to be vaccinated, and that populace refuses due to bullshittery instead of reason, then what the hell *do* you do if you have any power to influence the number of people vaccinating?

Do you require your employees to get vaccinated to protect both themselves and their customers, as a business owner?

Do you require medical staff to get vaccinated against the very contagion they're responding to?

Do you implement a mask mandate, since coronavirus doesn't give one hoot about anti-mask rhetoric?

If you have the power, would you yourself consider a vaccination mandate against COVID-19? Not all of the shots come from the fetal cell lines, so there's your religious exemption out the window.

Viruses dont care about slippery slope arguments. They dont care about claims that personal freedom is affected. They don't care about Nazi imagery being forced upon people trying to SAVE lives.

In our organic world, a virus will infect and spread as unchecked as it can, and, if the victim can't handle it, it kills or maims that host.

We have a response to the lattermost issue - COVID-19 vaccines that work to prevent killing or maiming the body to astounding success. But enough humans, ever "wise", continue to see neither the forest nor the trees, actively choosing not to mask up, choosing not to get vaccinated, demonizing those who burn themselves out trying to prevent as many deaths as possible, creating laws that prevent vaccine mandates or are meant to stymie a proper governmental response, and you know what?

Those being labelled Nazis in this discussion are those trying to get us to take a simple shot that, odds are, might make you feel a little unwell for a day or two. Those described in my paragraph above this? They consider themselves Patriots and will loudly scream to anyone who will listen that their opinions are more important than any basic knowledge or understanding of science or society.
 

Xex360

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Back when the schools still taught history and we learned about the nazification of Germany, we often wondered how a country could go along with, what from the outside is an obvious social mass psychosis. Well, apparently there are a majority of people who just do what seems to be the new normal thing of today.
Oddly enough it started with medical fascism back then to. It was all about health.
But I guess we are going to force the dirty disgusting disease-riddled unvaccinated out on the streets because if they don’t vaccinate agains a cold then your vaccine won’t work.
At least back then we had personalities and uniforms. Now it is bland, uniformless but fascism nonetheless.
What has nazism to do with vaccines, it was a right wing racist ideology. It seems you were one of those who didn't get the opportunity to learn history in school.
 

psycros

Posts: 4,080   +5,619
What has nazism to do with vaccines, it was a right wing racist ideology. It seems you were one of those who didn't get the opportunity to learn history in school.

Nazi = National Socialists. They were anti-religion, used junk science to push their racist agenda and selectively demonized those they disagreed with. Do some research before making a fool of yourself online.
 

dangh

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What has nazism to do with vaccines, it was a right wing racist ideology. It seems you were one of those who didn't get the opportunity to learn history in school.
Corelation does not mean causaction, and China started using vacine-oriented approach in 10th century. With the Pox vaccine created and mass used in early 19th century, with universal mass vaccination in England and Walles against smallpox in 1853, and Rio in 1903.
And yet you're saying Nazi germany propagated vacciness? total bullshit, in fact, they relaxed vaccine policy which has been in place before they took goverment position. In 1874 vaccination were a must for all infants and people joining the army. But after Hitler got his position, mass vaccination was not enforced from 1930 due to nazi minority and issues with tuberculosis vaccine. In 1936 in Nazu Germany noone had to prove that he was vaccinated against smallpox in order to attend schools. They introduced English-style conscience clause to the vaccination law to be more elastic, and made even less required in 1942. The health minister said himself - "popular character of the health laws, which must appear to be absolutely desirable in the National Socialist state, is better served if unnecessary restlessness is avoided in the implementation of the laws in the population".
So yeah... nazi reduced efficiency of vaccination in population, not the other way. Good luck with history lessons.
and btw, that wasn't 'right wing' ideology. Please, tell me which point of 'right wing ideology' would require mass vaccination?
Go back to the class;)
 

Avro Arrow

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Religious exemption? wt actual f? what is that, 16th century?
It's the USA, so when it comes to religion, it may as well be. :laughing:
Considering the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines relied on research from aborted fetal cell lines in its early R&D, for some it’s unethical to take any of the approved vaccines currently in existence. For >90% of the population this is of no concern, but the other vaccines are mass produced by actually growing cells stemming from an aborted human fetus from the 70s and the cells are filtered out of the final product. Abortion is morally wrong for many in the world, so you could see why there could be religious concerns around the vaccines (and precisely because it isn’t the 16th century anymore lol).
This idea of "ethics" is such garbage. I'm not saying you agree with it because you seem to be explaining how these people don't think. It's a completely lame-duck excuse and here's why:

If religious people were so concerned with being unethical, they wouldn't be a part of these religions, all of which (except maybe Buddhism) are guilty of at least one genocide. In fact, the Christian church is directly responsible for more deaths in history than the German National Socialists Party. If these people had "ethics", they'd consider current religious symbols to be at least as offensive as a tilted swastika. Their "ethics" are extremely elective and subjective as a result.
Back when the schools still taught history and we learned about the nazification of Germany, we often wondered how a country could go along with, what from the outside is an obvious social mass psychosis. Well, apparently there are a majority of people who just do what seems to be the new normal thing of today.
Yeah, it's called "following your doctor's orders". I remember a time when THAT was considered wisdom. Oh wait, it still is. No wonder I remember! :laughing:
Oddly enough it started with medical fascism back then to. It was all about health.
But I guess we are going to force the dirty disgusting disease-riddled unvaccinated out on the streets because if they don’t vaccinate agains a cold then your vaccine won’t work.
At least back then we had personalities and uniforms. Now it is bland, uniformless but fascism nonetheless.
If you really had studied about the Nazis and fascism then you'd know that they were completely about ideology, not objective truth. That's how they convinced their entire country that the Jews were the source of their problems instead of pointing to the real source, the Treaty of Versailles. Enough people bought into the propaganda that six million Jews were slaughtered.

In this case, baseless propaganda is the weapon of the anti-vaxxers because it has no basis in any objective truth, something that has been repeatedly proven in courts of law, regardless of the judge's political leanings. They are the ones who are most likely to turn fascist because they are the easiest to fool and are already leaning in that direction from a political standpoint (fascism is on the far right).

If what you so hyperbolically refer to as "fascism" actually was, you'd be put to death just for saying so and the people who aren't vaccinated would be imprisoned in concentration camps.

Are the Gestapo knocking at your door? - Nope
Are there concentration camps full of anti-vaxxers? - Nope

So I guess that it's not fascism, you just want to call it that because it's the new cool right-wing anti-vax word of the month.

BTW, I was kidding about the Gestapo. They don't knock. :laughing:
I think it's a fine line between personal freedoms and the right of an employer to demand certain qualifications to do your job. Whether that's a level of competency or simply physical fitness. We live in a world where employers have more responsibility towards their employee's health than ever before. The Army for example expects you to be getting various shots before deployment, if you refused then you were toast. Likewise, there are still allowable exemptions.
What I see is the employers placing a higher value on the vaccinated majority than the unvaccinated minority. People with riskier lifestyles pay more for insurance as well. That's just how it is. You have the right to choose the most dangerous path you want to take but you don't have the right to drag everyone else down that path with you.
I see where you're going with the Nazi Germany health and social 'programs' however that's a very long jump in my opinion from this. They are so well documented and known it's a bit extreme to think we're sliding towards thinly veiled pogroms. Come on.
I don't see it at all. It's complete hyperbole designed to attack the side of the fence that believes in medical science. Every single time an anti-vaxxer has been in court about this, they've lost. They've lost because a court of law requires EVIDENCE and all of the evidence is stacked against them, kind of like when every Trump attempt at challenging the election outcome also lost. This has been true whether the judge was a Democrat or Republican (even TRUMP-APPOINTED Republicans). These outcomes tell you that the truth isn't political, it just is.

The anti-vaxxers believe in objective lies. It's not that much of a stretch since most of them also think that the bible is a non-fiction book. :laughing:
Nearly all modern medicine have its roots in moraly challenging experiments, incuding 2ww. Cell lines created on fetus cells is already just a set of cells, artificially raised and breed in labs for decades.
And nearly all modern vacines, not only covid ones, are used those cells in development process.
Yeah, they always seem to conveniently forget about that part.
Pope himself gave clear instructions on this very topic:
To be fair, the anti-vaxxers tend to be overwhelmingly evangelical. Catholics tend to be far less crazy and far less likely to be on the far-right than evangelicals.
and still, I can come up with any bs religion and back up any stupidity I want, because religion told me so.
Yup, the lame excuse that people have used far too often through history.
That's why in secular countries religion should be secondary to the law, without any exceptions.
I agree and would go so far as to say that secular law should have supremacy over religion everywhere.
 
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Avro Arrow

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Corelation does not mean causaction, and China started using vacine-oriented approach in 10th century. With the Pox vaccine created and mass used in early 19th century, with universal mass vaccination in England and Walles against smallpox in 1853, and Rio in 1903.
And yet you're saying Nazi germany propagated vacciness? total bullshit, in fact, they relaxed vaccine policy which has been in place before they took goverment position. In 1874 vaccination were a must for all infants and people joining the army. But after Hitler got his position, mass vaccination was not enforced from 1930 due to nazi minority and issues with tuberculosis vaccine. In 1936 in Nazu Germany noone had to prove that he was vaccinated against smallpox in order to attend schools. They introduced English-style conscience clause to the vaccination law to be more elastic, and made even less required in 1942. The health minister said himself - "popular character of the health laws, which must appear to be absolutely desirable in the National Socialist state, is better served if unnecessary restlessness is avoided in the implementation of the laws in the population".
So yeah... nazi reduced efficiency of vaccination in population, not the other way. Good luck with history lessons.
and btw, that wasn't 'right wing' ideology. Please, tell me which point of 'right wing ideology' would require mass vaccination?
Go back to the class;)
I think you need to take a better look at the quoted message you responded t because there's no way that it's the right message. I think that you meant to reply to Pelopidas, but you instead replied to Xex360 and Xex clearly agrees with you (and I for that matter). You might want to check that out. :laughing:
 

dangh

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I think you need to take a better look at the quoted message you responded t because there's no way that it's the right message. I think that you meant to reply to Pelopidas, but you instead replied to Xex360 and Xex clearly agrees with you (and I for that matter). You might want to check that out. :laughing:
What has nazism to do with vaccines, it was a right wing racist ideology. It seems you were one of those who didn't get the opportunity to learn history in school.
yeah, for some reason I got that other way around. But I think not only me ;) anyway, didn't see that clearly, sorry for confusion.
 

waclark

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SNIP

I see where you're going with the Nazi Germany health and social 'programs' however that's a very long jump in my opinion from this. They are so well documented and known it's a bit extreme to think we're sliding towards thinly veiled pogroms. Come on.

Yes, I agree, the whole Nazi Germany comparison is so off-base and unrealistic. This is really a simple discussion, and none of it is political, although many people have made it so. It comes down to this, what is the best way to impede the spread of the virus? My opinion is that it is not one single thing but many things together that will allow us to move forward and live our lives. It's vaccines, masks, social distancing, natural immunity, herd immunity and more.

We don't have reliable treatments or preventative medicines but we do have some that produce some positive results. That's all we have and we should use the "arrows" in our quiver to combat the virus.
 

bviktor

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Pump some crap into your system - show support for Biden's administration.

Just thinking of appropriate slogans in this regard.
Yes, because you analyze everything else you put into your system with a microscope, because you're totally qualified for that, heck, you know it even better than virologists who've been doing this in their whole life.

In between a McDonalds and a Wendy's.
 

trieste1s

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Considering the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines relied on research from aborted fetal cell lines in its early R&D, for some it’s unethical to take any of the approved vaccines currently in existence. For >90% of the population this is of no concern, but the other vaccines are mass produced by actually growing cells stemming from an aborted human fetus from the 70s and the cells are filtered out of the final product. Abortion is morally wrong for many in the world, so you could see why there could be religious concerns around the vaccines (and precisely because it isn’t the 16th century anymore lol).
a substantial amount of medical research came out of Nazi labs
Was it not them who coined "Discovery Requires Experimentation"
 

Pastuch

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Get f'ing vaccinated you *****s! I wish the Canadian government would mandate vaccinations for all citizens, we're only at 86% vaccinated in Canada. I guess I should be happy to live in one of the few places in the world where people listen to science.
 

Avro Arrow

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Get f'ing vaccinated you *****s! I wish the Canadian government would mandate vaccinations for all citizens, we're only at 86% vaccinated in Canada. I guess I should be happy to live in one of the few places in the world where people listen to science.
Well yeah, at least, outside of Alberta. It seems that the further East you go in Canada, the greater the percentage of vaccinated people (except for BC and Yukon). N&L has the highest percentage of vaccinated people and while Nunavut has the lowest, I think that's probably more to do with logistics because everything in Nunavut is pretty remote.

As far as the provinces are concerned, Alberta lags the rest of us with only 76.49% vaccinated. Hell, the percentage of vaccinated people is higher in YK and NWT than it is in Alberta. N&L is at 91.48%! Who says that Newfies are dumb? Newfies do, not me! :laughing:
 

BadThad

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Get f'ing vaccinated you *****s! I wish the Canadian government would mandate vaccinations for all citizens, we're only at 86% vaccinated in Canada. I guess I should be happy to live in one of the few places in the world where people listen to science.
What about those with natural immunity? They have stronger resistance than the vax'd.

You mandate fools are insane.
 

Pastuch

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What about those with natural immunity? They have stronger resistance than the vax'd.

You mandate fools are insane.
That's entirely incorrect, if you want the highest level immunity to all the future variants you should triple vaccine dose AND have natural antibodies from a previous covid case.

Oh and 80% of the Canadian population voted to allow employers to terminate staff that refuse to vaccinate.
 
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