Justice Department asks judge to order Google the "immediate" sale of Chrome

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Bottom line: The U.S. Department of Justice is ramping up its case against Google's alleged monopoly, suggesting the government could eventually force the company to sell its widely-used Chrome browser. The move is part of the DoJ's push to challenge Google's hold over the digital advertising and search engine markets.

The Justice Department's latest legal action accuses Google of engaging in anticompetitive behavior by unfairly using its dominance in search and advertising to prop up its other services, most notably Chrome. The government argues that Google's browser and vast data ecosystem have given the company an outsized advantage over competitors, stifling innovation and harming consumers. By bundling Chrome with its Android operating system, Google has built an extensive network that could limit consumer choice and make it difficult for smaller firms to compete.

"Google's illegal conduct has created an economic goliath, one that wreaks havoc over the marketplace to ensure that – no matter what occurs – Google always wins," said the DoJ in its filing.

It asks the DC District Court and Judge Amit P. Mehta to order Alphabet to immediately divest all assets pertaining to Chrome to a "vetted" buyer. In other words, Google would have to sell Chrome to a competitor. The government would vet prospective buyers to ensure they will not compromise National Security interests.

The DoJ secured a legal win last year against Google in its broader antitrust case concerning its search practices and anticompetitive deals with other companies to make its search engine the default on many devices. Now, with its sights on Chrome, the agency is seeking more drastic action. If the government succeeds in compelling Google to sell Chrome, the company may also face additional scrutiny over Android, the world's most widely used mobile operating system.

Many experts believe Android could follow Chrome and face a forced divestiture, as it plays a key role in Google's alleged monopolistic strategy. The proposed remedies, which the Justice Department revised earlier this month, include a provision to do just that.

While Google has yet to comment on the potential sale of Chrome, the company has vehemently denied accusations of monopolistic practices and is unsurprisingly against the forceful divestiture of any of its assets.

"DoJ's sweeping proposals continue to go miles beyond the Court's decision and would harm America's consumers, economy, and national security," a Google spokesperson said.

Google argues that its products, including Chrome, improve user experience and are offered to consumers free of charge, making it difficult to see how its services could be anticompetitive. However, the DoJ's case continues to build momentum, with government officials suggesting that the case may reach trial within the next year.

The outcome of this ongoing case could reshape the landscape of the internet as we know it. If Google is required to divest Chrome and possibly Android, it could open the door for new competitors in browser and mobile operating system markets. However, the long-term effects remain uncertain, with some fearing that breaking up Google's ecosystem could lead to a fragmented, less user-friendly internet experience.

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I haven't updated chrome for over a year. Got sick of their "fixes" that made things worse in terms of performance, data mining, UI and so on. uBlock still works wonders for me.

I've been shifting more of my browser use to Firefox anyway. Screw google.
I wish that was an option but I work for a gov agency and they mandate chrome and control what extensions we use and uBlock Origin is the only adblock allowed... Google's ad revenue went up significantly from that I would assume as we have 100k staff and 780k clients :/
 
Does this mean uBlock Origin will be back, god I hope so.
You can install it outside the chrome store...

download the extension from this page: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases scroll down until you see a version number without b . At the bottom of that version's block you have "Assets". Expand if you don't see the list. Click the link with "chromium"

On your harddrive, choose a place/directory where you extract the content of the zip file. Note that you can't delete these files afterwards since they will be used by your browser. So, choose the location carefully.

in chrome, open the extensions' page.

Enable "Developer mode" in the top-right corner

Click "Load unpacked". Then navigate to the location where the zip file was unpacked and where the "manifest.json" file is located. Click the button to validate your choice.

the extension should install

import your saved config if you have one.

Also try using a chromium browser called thorium has all the google stuff removed. Its wicked fast.
 
Why is no one commenting on the Jupiter A** planet in the room

So who will buy it ? M/S , Meta , China, Elon

Really none of those options are better, many worse

Chrome is not even default on PCs either

Isn't google doing free open source stuff still , so anyone can fork it ( I could be 100% wrong here )
 
More to the point who the hell cares? They can go bankrupt for all I care.
Google is a very large tree, and when they fall they tend to take others with them. A lot of the stuff they offer is actually quite good, like Google docs and Google drive being far superior to Office 365 and onedrive/icloud IME. And google search, while neutered, is still MILES ahead of brave search or duckduckgo, with only Yandex offering superior results in some cases.

There's also the question of ChromeOS. That's more then just the browser. How will that work? ChromeOS is the bedrock of many an educational institution now.
Why is no one commenting on the Jupiter A** planet in the room

So who will buy it ? M/S , Meta , China, Elon

Really none of those options are better, many worse

Chrome is not even default on PCs either

Isn't google doing free open source stuff still , so anyone can fork it ( I could be 100% wrong here )
Google has open source stuff, like chromium and android, but the issue is that Google has an effective monopoly, with everything but firefox, librewolf, and waterfox reliant on Google's codebase. The move against Manifest V2 is the first real concrete example of Google abusing this position, ads clearly threaten their main source of revenue, so they've now crippled the vast majority of browsers worldwide in their ability to block Google's ads. Sure, Brave found a way around it, but its a kludge that shouldnt be needed.

I think they have a much weaker case with Android, since that is an operating system VS a browser, and anyone can use it sans Google code (china's version comes to mind). Apple has a significant marketshare in the US to, so the DoJ is going to have an uphill battle there.

I'm not sure I 100% agree with the DoJ. Yes, Google has a defacto browser monopoly, but divesting Chrome will only give someone else said monopoly. I think forcing them to allow full adblockers and open sourcing more if not all the code would be a better idea, along with allowing users to fully de Google their experience with the push of a button. Or perhaps the adsense part of google needs to be separate from everything else, so Google doesnt have the massive unfair advantage in ad rates they have now.
 
You can install it outside the chrome store...

download the extension from this page: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases scroll down until you see a version number without b . At the bottom of that version's block you have "Assets". Expand if you don't see the list. Click the link with "chromium"

On your harddrive, choose a place/directory where you extract the content of the zip file. Note that you can't delete these files afterwards since they will be used by your browser. So, choose the location carefully.

in chrome, open the extensions' page.

Enable "Developer mode" in the top-right corner

Click "Load unpacked". Then navigate to the location where the zip file was unpacked and where the "manifest.json" file is located. Click the button to validate your choice.

the extension should install

import your saved config if you have one.

Also try using a chromium browser called thorium has all the google stuff removed. Its wicked fast.
I can't on my work computer lol I work in IT, I have tried all possible avenues and unfortunately, gov agency security is much tougher. (Unfortunately for me, not unfortunate for all the non-IT people who wilfully download malware..)
 
It's absolutely crazy to me how long this took to gain momentum. At this point, Google is so entrenched in literally all of IT, cloud, and personal computing, breaking the monopoly apart is going to be very, very messy. I am old enough to remember the USG fervently going after MS for bundling IE with their OS (which still happens, lol) and used to sya to myself "This is a monopoly?", and later wonder how Google gets away with its smothering of the market today.

Something needs to happen. I'm just not smart enough to know "what". Hopefully the folks in our government are, because the effects of government regulation here are going to be wide and manyfold.
 
Google is a very large tree, and when they fall they tend to take others with them. A lot of the stuff they offer is actually quite good, like Google docs and Google drive being far superior to Office 365 and onedrive/icloud IME. And google search, while neutered, is still MILES ahead of brave search or duckduckgo, with only Yandex offering superior results in some cases.

There's also the question of ChromeOS. That's more then just the browser. How will that work? ChromeOS is the bedrock of many an educational institution now.

Google has open source stuff, like chromium and android, but the issue is that Google has an effective monopoly, with everything but firefox, librewolf, and waterfox reliant on Google's codebase. The move against Manifest V2 is the first real concrete example of Google abusing this position, ads clearly threaten their main source of revenue, so they've now crippled the vast majority of browsers worldwide in their ability to block Google's ads. Sure, Brave found a way around it, but its a kludge that shouldnt be needed.

I think they have a much weaker case with Android, since that is an operating system VS a browser, and anyone can use it sans Google code (china's version comes to mind). Apple has a significant marketshare in the US to, so the DoJ is going to have an uphill battle there.

I'm not sure I 100% agree with the DoJ. Yes, Google has a defacto browser monopoly, but divesting Chrome will only give someone else said monopoly. I think forcing them to allow full adblockers and open sourcing more if not all the code would be a better idea, along with allowing users to fully de Google their experience with the push of a button. Or perhaps the adsense part of google needs to be separate from everything else, so Google doesnt have the massive unfair advantage in ad rates they have now.

Yeah some middle ground, people like free - Google probably puts a lot of effort in security for chrome , YT etc . ie if sold of , could become a horror show and bigger vector.
What would 80% of Chrome users do ( my source I made that the F up ) will just stroll over to Edge as they know 2 browser

I'm still on Chrome my advert protections still fully working , but needed to say for one - No google I will take the risk and keep running it - If I ever get more than a small static adverts I'm out
 
What is the business model for Chrome without Google? Meaning, who could buy it, and once they did, what tools would they have to maintain its momentum?

Many of the core parts of the browser are open source. Many of the proprietary parts serve specific Google business interests. Excluding all those that are hard-linked to Google back-end services, there is little to be excited about as standalone user features. So what exactly is the buyer buying?

And what would stop Google, immediately after selling Chrome, from starting a new web browser, this time probably with a Gemini/AI focus, that all their web properties could effectively promote and would likely again gain market share.

I do not understand what they think they can accomplish with this other than maybe as a bargaining chip in some other negotiation.
 
Without Chrome or Android, what exactly does Google do? Just the search engine and ad service?
You're putting the "just" in the wrong place. The search engine and ad services make all the money. You don't need Chrome to visit www.google.com, just like you don't need Chrome to visit YouTube, Gmail, Drive, Office Suite, and their other misc. services that generate lots of traffic and sell ads. And then of course there's all the ads that Google brokers on third party sites which have nothing to do with Chrome at all either.

Meanwhile, Chrome and Android are just convenient front ends to those services. Its worth the development cost for Google to build them and default users into their ecosystem. But those front ends, on their own, do not generate direct revenue and if they weren't matched with a backend to subsidize them would struggle. A buyer who takes control of Chrome, and tries to default or force users into some other backend services, might soon find many of those users doing whatever it takes to return to Google's ecosystem. It is not easy to replace Google search - just ask Microsoft how it's been going with Bing, and that's despite having the massive advantage of a Windows platform to aggressively promote it.
 
It's absolutely crazy to me how long this took to gain momentum. At this point, Google is so entrenched in literally all of IT, cloud, and personal computing, breaking the monopoly apart is going to be very, very messy. I am old enough to remember the USG fervently going after MS for bundling IE with their OS (which still happens, lol) and used to sya to myself "This is a monopoly?", and later wonder how Google gets away with its smothering of the market today.

Something needs to happen. I'm just not smart enough to know "what". Hopefully the folks in our government are, because the effects of government regulation here are going to be wide and manyfold.

Yes. Microsoft was a monopoly in the 90's. They had nearly 100% market share and gave the competition money to stay in business. No shame, tons of people got this wrong back then but saying the gov fervently went after them they did not. Total fail by the goverment there.

Google a monopoly today, nope, not even close. The Chrome browser is an option in all the platforms its on and it's free. Why Google even paid to have it the default is the real question, foolish waste of money. Safari on the other hand is 100% a monopoly because you're locked into using it. Which is kind of the very definition, how this is missed by the USA is beyond. Actually alot of Apple is a monopoly and should be taken to the woodshed. In fact Apple should be spanked for their messanger practices alone on iOS. Shameful, little monsters holding the world down locking eveyone out and then labeling them green and blue bubbles. Now that's something the gov should look at. This is not :(
 
Google a monopoly today, nope, not even close. The Chrome browser is an option in all the platforms its on and it's free. Why Google even paid to have it the default is the real question, foolish waste of money.
That's hilarous. You think they care about the browser, it's just an ad delivery platform. It cost peanuts to develop and brings them billions in revenue alone. There's Chromium which 99% of browsers are based on, there's Firefox and there's Safari. It's laughable you don't think that's a monopoly.

Apple is being dealt with separately by EU, them being scumbags with their locked down eco-system doesn't change a thing about Google.
 
It's funny that a case based on Google's "dominance in search" pops up when said dominance started falling apart quickly.
Google will be one of the many in search fairly soon, and if they force them to sell Chrome & Android - Google will have their Nokia'2007 moment.
 
I expect they will follow Trump's lead and just completely ignore the court rulings because America has crossed the Rubicon now and is headed in only one direction. Steve Bannon is taking you on an Elevator Ride straight down!
 
Without Chrome or Android, what exactly does Google do? Just the search engine and ad service?

See the part "structure" on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.
And those names are just boxes for interests in a whole lot of companies/brands.
Because Alphabet a.o. owns YouTube, Waze, Nest, Fitbit...

And don't forget Chrome OS, all Google Apps like Gmail, Meet, Maps...
 
Here is my modest proposal - have all the rights of the Chrome browser get divested into 3 different non-profits, who have the equal rights to the existing source code. Make Google pay say a $20 billion dollar fine (same amount they were paying Apple each year to be the default search), and have that money sit into some safe investments; have it pay out say 3% a year to those non-profits to fund their browser development. Each non-profit gets a slice based on its marketshare, so they have a big incentive to produce the most appealing browser to the general public possible.
 
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