Lamborghini's retro-inspired Countach hybrid has already sold out

captaincranky

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:facepalm: I know this is supposed to be funny, but I don't think I would like driving a vehicle like this since it is likely to require wearing a haz-mat suit to survive driving it.

Not to mention, this vehicle would probably violate environmental laws.

I would rather keep driving my Prius which considers my, yours, and everyone else's health important.

Apologies for spoiling the party. ;)
You really can't take a joke, can you?

Or is this a joke in response to our joke?
 

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I've never been a "performance" car person in the sense of getting max horsepower out of an ICE, but I would say that your post exemplifies why I went with Japanese cars for the only two new cars I have ever bought. My first was an 94' Acura Integra LX (yeah, I know, the poor man's Corvette, but performance, though it was arguably good, was not the reason I bought it), and my current 06' Prius. I am seriously contemplating a Prius Prime purchase next year - that is - if the prices do not go through the roof with the production cutback. My neighbor has a Prime - she says she went 2K miles without visiting a gas station. With my daily commute, I should be able to do something similar. (Arguably, Primes are loaded with lots of tech.)

The main reason I bought the Integra was because it had exceptionally high reliability ratings from Consumer Reports - and it proved to be so for me. I got rid of it, after some 120K miles, when I bought the Prius.
Consumer Reports is an absolute godsend when you need honest information about cars, unlike R&T or MotorTrend. Hell, MotorTrend made the Mustang-II (Pinto Mustang) their "Car of the Year" when it was released. That told me all that I needed to know about them. Either they can't see an absolute debacle in the making when it's right in front of them or there were dollar bills from Ford in front of their eyes.
I have to say, though, that a friend of mine had an EVO. I thought that was impressive how far Mitsubishi went to squeeze every horse out of that engine. I rode in it once, and to me, being inexperienced in such things :laughing: it sounded like it had a jet engine under the hood. ;)
I'm the same as you brother. For the longest time, I was all "If it ain't Toyota or Honda, I'm not interested!" but recently, I've added Hyundai and Kia to the list (and my Veloster has been great). Nissans USED to be good (before Renault got their hooks into them) and we know what Ford did to Mazda. Subaru's good (but odd and parts tend to be German-level expensive) and Mitsubishi is barely better than the American cars despite parts being next to impossible to find.

American cars are cheap garbage while Euro cars are expensive garbage.
 

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Now I wish I hadn't asked. Cant lie man, I don't care for that at all.
It looks like an old Opel GT with a hair lip.

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The Opel GT was said to have also ripped off the Banshee but that was in a different market so it didn't matter. Remember that the Banshee was a concept car and as such, probably wouldn't have looked exactly as it did if put into production. They were trying to capture the look of the GTO to some extent with that nose I assume because the GTO had that split front fascia:
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I'm guessing that the production Banshee would have looked more like this from the front (with pop-up lights of course):
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:facepalm: I know this is supposed to be funny, but I don't think I would like driving a vehicle like this since it is likely to require wearing a haz-mat suit to survive driving it.

Not to mention, this vehicle would probably violate environmental laws.

I would rather keep driving my Prius which considers my, yours, and everyone else's health important.

Apologies for spoiling the party. ;)
Uhhh yeah, that picture is supposed to be satirical. Nobody in their right mind would actually believe that. Having said that, there are plenty of people who do not classify as being in their right mind and I personally think that the Prius is the greatest contribution that Toyota has given to the auto industry since the advent of the Corolla.
 

wiyosaya

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I think you were the one that first told me about that car, and I read up on it soon after. I have always been America first in my choice of new cars, but that thing is amazing. 640-mile range? WHAT THE HELL! Seeing it has a 25-mile battery only range, I could easily see making 2000 miles without needing a gas station if her daily routine is fairly short.
In the summer time, mainly because I don't need the heat (which needs to run the ICE), my 06' Prius gets on the order of 550-miles on a full tank.

The Honda Clarity, another plug-in hybrid, only gets 340-miles on a full tank. I've pretty much excluded that for consideration on my next purchase because of that.

When I was reading the full-tank range of some of the vehicles under discussion in this thread, I was thinking that it is not all that much different than some of the current EVs in production, except, of course, that filling the cars under discussion in this thread would take far less time.

Honestly, it is rather nice to not have to go to a gas station all that often. I figure that I only visit a gas station about once every six-weeks with my 06'.

I appreciate your take that the Prime is an amazing vehicle.

As a sort-of aside, I had some jerk who had a speedy Honda be a real a$$ once. We were stopped at a light, and he was in the left lane, and I was in the right in my 06'. There were cars parked a little down the road on the right of the road so that it would have been rather difficult for me to go anywhere. The light turned green, and the Jerk just sat there (I had planned on letting him go) and I looked at him and he looked at me like "what you gonna do?". So, I floored it - kicking in that 277-ft*lbs of torque even with the 1.0L ICE in my car. It was priceless seeing his jaw drop in a WTF moment as I easily beat him off the line and got out in front of him. The better thing about it was that he had what I assume was a friend in the car, too. So I probably embarrassed him in front of his friend. When I think about this now, I think, sorry buddy, but you asked for it. šŸ¤£

One other thing about the Prime is that it does operate in full EV mode with an equivalent amount of Torque. Obviously, these cars do not have great 0-60 times, but there are times that they can be quite fun because of all that torque, and I swear that under the right conditions, my 06' Prius is just as speedy as my Integra LX was.
 

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I personally think that the Prius is the greatest contribution that Toyota has given to the auto industry since the advent of the Corolla.
I disagree on that point, but it's probably more from the heart.
Back in the early 90s, just for fun I bought a down on its luck 1974 Celica (Think of the cars Godzilla used to step on.) I fixed up the body, replaced some chrome, replaced the clutch and took off the head and had a badly needed valve job done. Then I had it painted the factory color (Dark Blue). It came out perfect and even though I didn't drive it all that often you would not believe how much attention that car would get. I had it for 11 years but gave it to my niece, who had loved that car since she was 9, to make room for other projects I was starting. Nowadays, her daily drive is in a 2020 Chrysler 300, but she still has the Celica under a sheet.
 

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One other thing about the Prime is that it does operate in full EV mode with an equivalent amount of Torque. Obviously, these cars do not have great 0-60 times, but there are times that they can be quite fun because of all that torque, and I swear that under the right conditions, my 06' Prius is just as speedy as my Integra LX was.
Even the smallest, least expensive EVs can be a real kick at 0 to 30.
 

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In the summer time, mainly because I don't need the heat (which needs to run the ICE), my 06' Prius gets on the order of 550-miles on a full tank.

The Honda Clarity, another plug-in hybrid, only gets 340-miles on a full tank. I've pretty much excluded that for consideration on my next purchase because of that.
It's not quite that simple though. Are the tanks the same size? I mean, let's be honest here, 340 miles is pretty damn far to drive. That's almost exactly the distance between Montreal and Toronto and I can tell you that it's a good 5.5-6 hour trip. I wouldn't be the least bit annoyed with that kind of range in any vehicle.

Looking it up, the Clarity has a tiny fuel tank of only 27L while the 06 Prius had a 45L tank. Going by what you said, the Clarity uses 49mL of fuel per km while the Prius used 51mL/km. That's essentially the same as far as I'm concerned.

As a side note, I think that using mL/km is a much better fuel use unit for metric than L/100km. That's why I use mL/km. It's much easier to wrap one's head around.

Now, I'm not saying that you shouldn't get the Prius, I'm saying that I don't really feel that the fuel use is really a huge deal in this case. I'm sure that the Prius is the superior vehicle over all and Toyota has shown to be far better at hybrid vehicle production than Honda but those would be my reasons for choosing the Prius. The fuel use wouldn't matter to me because if I have to make long trips, I'm going to stop to empty my bladder regardless so it's not like I'd be stopping less often with the Prius. :laughing:
 
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wiyosaya

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It's not quite that simple though. Are the tanks the same size? I mean, let's be honest here, 340 miles is pretty damn far to drive. That's almost exactly the distance between Montreal and Toronto and I can tell you that it's a good 5.5-6 hour trip. I wouldn't be the least bit annoyed with that kind of range in any vehicle.

Looking it up, the Clarity has a tiny fuel tank of only 27L while the 06 Prius had a 45L tank. Going by what you said, the Clarity uses 79mL of fuel per km while the Prius used 81mL/km. That's essentially the same as far as I'm concerned.

As a side note, I think that using mL/km is a much better fuel use unit for metric than L/100km. That's why I use mL/km. It's much easier to wrap one's head around.

Now, I'm not saying that you shouldn't get the Prius, I'm saying that I don't really feel that the fuel use is really a huge deal in this case. I'm sure that the Prius is the superior vehicle over all and Toyota has shown to be far better at hybrid vehicle production than Honda but those would be my reasons for choosing the Prius. The fuel use wouldn't matter to me because if I have to make long trips, I'm going to stop to empty my bladder regardless so it's not like I'd be stopping less often with the Prius. :laughing:
You do have a point about range/fuel usage. Even so, its nice to just empty the bladder sometimes instead of emptying the bladder and filling the gas tank. :laughing:

I am hoping they have an auto show in our city this year - it was cancelled this year and last. I want to sit in a Clarity and Prime if they do. My 06' is roomy inside and I like that feel.
Certainly, Toyota has taken Hybrid tech further down the road - pun intended. I would not shy away from Honda based on my experience with the Integra, however.
Even the smallest, least expensive EVs can be a real kick at 0 to 30.
My Prius is fun on Highway on-ramps, too. :laughing:
 

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You do have a point about range/fuel usage. Even so, its nice to just empty the bladder sometimes instead of emptying the bladder and filling the gas tank. :laughing:
I actually did the math wrong because I used millilitres and miles. I switched it to 49mL/km and 51mL/km respectively. I do agree that the Prius' larger tank is definitely an advantage and all other things being equal, I'd definitely take the Prius. Of course, not everything is equal and everyone has their own levels of importance for each criterion.
I am hoping they have an auto show in our city this year - it was cancelled this year and last. I want to sit in a Clarity and Prime if they do. My 06' is roomy inside and I like that feel.
Certainly, Toyota has taken Hybrid tech further down the road - pun intended. I would not shy away from Honda based on my experience with the Integra, however.

My Prius is fun on Highway on-ramps, too. :laughing:
Oh yeah, my mother has a Prius V (the giant one) and it really hauls butt with those electric motors giving 100% of their torque at all RPMs.
 

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That's very true but IIRC, it was only one year that GM made it (1973 I think). To be honest, GM's treatment of Pontiac over the years has been abysmal. I mean, they took the 1964 Pontiac Banshee concept car:
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and gave it to Chevrolet who sold it as the Corvette Stingray II (aka C3):
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Not many people are aware of this but when I saw the 1964 Banshee for the first time, I thought "That's a Stingray II, not a Pontiac!". Looking at them like this makes it obvious as hell.
OK, I call bullsh!t on just about all of this., If the "Banshee" was indeed a 1964, the Chevorette already had the "Stingray", which was, in fact, released in 1963.

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And, in point of fact, it looks more like the Banshee, than the later model Vette you posted, which was (is?) a '66 or '67.

And since we're now speaking German, that 421 Poncho mill was a *langsum hund".

The real performers in those years, were the 413" cid Chrysler "wedge", and the 426" cid "hemi". IIRC, about the time those motors hit the street, is about the same time Pontiac bailed from racing.
 
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captaincranky

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I think the real joke would be someone driving that thing in a haz-mat suit. :laughing:
You need to visit "Quora", they display a massive amount of pictorial memes about Trump which would have you going bonkers.

And BTW, that isn't a real car in that picture. See, I can state the obvious as well and the next man.
 

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OK, I call bullsh!t on just about all of this., If the "Banshee" was indeed a 1964, the Chevorette already had the "Stingray", which was, in fact, released in 1963.
Ok, you've confused me. I never said that the Stingray was a rip-off of the Banshee. I said that the Stingray II was a rip-off of the Banshee. If you look at the post that you quoted, it says "Corvette Stingray II (aka C3)" between the pictures, not "Corvette Stingray (aka C2)". The top picture is the 1964 Pontiac Banshee and the bottom picture is a 1968 Stingray II (C3). Perhaps you didn't notice that the two pictures were of different vehicles? There's no shame in that because when I first saw the '64 Banshee, I thought that it was a Stingray II. They do look almost identical with there being a bigger difference between a Camaro and a Firebird than between the '64 Banshee and the '68 Corvette.
 

captaincranky

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OK first, you have this indefatigable bias toward Pontiac. Since you live in Canada, I'm starting to think you're a direct decedent of Chief Pontiac himself.

As of 1966, (IMHO), they f**ked the Corvette up royally with that butt ugly cranked roof line.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but, (again IMHO), the "Banshee", the Camaro, and the Firebird, all grew out of the '63 to 65' Vette lineage, not the other way around.

Now, Chevy motors run faster than Pontiac motors. (Note that I didn't say better), and they were almost, but not quite, a match for Chrysler's 413 cross ram dual quad 413 cid (1963?), and no match for the 426" hemi mills.

Now as for marketing & price, (low to high) it was Chevy, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, and finally Cadillac...With each price hike denoted by more extravagant styling, and interior luxury.

For myself, I liked the Firebird's styling much better than the Camaro. In fact, I owned two of them, a '67 convertible, & a '79. (Which was an ungodly dog, with a Buick V-6 in it).

However those "Trans Am" models, were, (you gotta admit), gaudy, tacky, gauche< call it what you will. Now, I didn't say they weren't "cool", but they were "loud", from a visual standpoint. And they did find their way into a trailer park or two. So, you have A Cadillac "El Dorado" outside the luxurious suburban home, (at least in the ad pictures), and the Trans Am outside the double wide.

If I was fortunate to live in a trailer, you'd find me alone at the far end of the row shouting, "get off my propane tank". (Not having a lawn to chase the kidz off, you understand).

And if you still didn't get the Joke, "Jim Rockford", (TV private eye, played by James Garner), lived and worked out of a trailer, and drove a Firebird.

STINGRAY:

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STING-BARGE (They even call these "boat tails).


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My only mistake is thinking the 67 Vette looks that much different from the "64, '65, & '66

'67

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'64
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Now the only real difference between the '63 & '64 Vettes, was the split window. Which they got rid of, because the split was directly in the path of th rear view mirror.

Now, it makes sense that you wouldn't design a safety hazard into a concept car, doesn't it?

This is when they changed to the flat plate "cranked" rear window, 1968 (?) 1969 shown.

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