Leaked benchmarks show the new GeForce RTX 4080 16GB breaking 3GHz

Jimmy2x

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Highly anticipated: A recent Chiphell forum post shows Nvidia's RTX 4080 16GB breaking the 3GHz mark in 3DMark TimeSpy. More impressively, Nvidia's new architecture hit those speeds at its default 320w power limit. If true, the RTX 4080 16GB will offer users access to impressive clock speeds without the 4090's reported power requirements.

The news comes on the heels of another recent Chiphell post that reportedly shows the same RTX 4080 running TimeSpy Extreme and FireStrike Ultra at the top of the 3DMark leaderboards. In that original post, the soon-to-be-released RTX 4080 16GB was seen hitting north of 2,500 MHz in the higher resolution Extreme and Ultra tests. In the latest post, which appears to be a run of the standard TimeSpy benchmark, the card reached more than 3GHz with a 1.4GHz memory clock.

While the clock speed is certainly impressive, the reported power draw and temperatures also provide a welcome change from previously leaked RTX 4000 data. The 4080 reached the above speeds using the card's default 320w power draw with spikes as high as 333w and temperatures in the 60C range. GPU hotspot temperatures peaked around 75C.

Based on the data, the 4080 16GB appears to best the previous generation's 3090 Ti by more than 3,500 points in the same benchmark. However, the 4080 16GB should not be confused with its lower-power counterpart, the RTX 4080 12GB. As previously reported, the RTX 4080 will be available in two different variations, the 16GB and 12GB models.

Despite their shared name, the 12GB variant is stripped down in several areas when compared to the 16GB model. The smaller variant will come equipped with 2,000 fewer CUDA cores as well as a 192-bit memory bus, a significant reduction when compared to the 16GB's 256-bit bus.

It's important to remember that any performance information about the RTX 4080 isn't formally published information and may be subject to change once review embargo dates have passed. And as clearly stated by Videocardz, no one is clear on "...how could someone obtain a driver that supports RTX 4080 16GB this soon. This card is not expected to launch until next month and as far as we are aware, there are no drivers for this card yet."

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yRaz

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Part of me wants to get the 4080, not the 4070, but these price increases, arrogance and then power consumption problems are really leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

At this point I'm so sick of nVidia crap that I'm going to wait to see what AMD has. If they have good price to performance and TDP to match I might go with them.

I have a dream setup I want to build but the tech isn't there yet. I want to relpace my 4k60 with an 8k120 display but the HDMI standard hasn't caught up. I want an 8k120 display, doesn't mean I won't be able to drive it. But when the tech is there my "money is no object" build will finally come to fruition.

For the games I play I can get away with 6700xt or a 3060 for 4k60. Heck my 1070ti pegs EvE and ESO to 60fps@4k

The 1800x and 1070ti are certainly showing their age. My plan right now is to get a 3060 or 6700 and drop a 5800X3D in and I'll happily get another 3-4 years out of this setup(motherboard gods willing)
 
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waclark

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3500 points ? this image shows the score at 24000, that's 15% over 3090 Ti, I don't understand what fus is all about....
Actually, the numbers I've seen are the 3090Ti at just under 22000 in Time Spy, so it's closer to a 10% bump. Compared to a regular 3090, it's closer to a 20% increase.

At $1,200 MSRP, that's significantly better than a $2,000 3090Ti. And given that 3090s are selling under $1,000 right now it seems to be positioned in the right place for price/performance. However, the elephant in the room is that all of these prices are high to begin with.

At what point do we say, hey, we don't need 300 fps in every game but we would like 150 fps with all the eye candy turned on, at $500? That's where I think gamers are coming from.
 

pcnthuziast

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The product stack is going to be so convoluted that pricing will be all over the place. Mark my words, prices will be much higher this gen regardless of what claims are made. 60 tier will start at 1k and 80 will START at around 2k. A 4090 will be 3k at the bare minimum, but in the first 6 months will command 4-5k on average.
 

yRaz

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Behold, the real 4080!
I was honestly thinking this when it came out. This is the 4080, the 16gb is the 4070 and the 12gb is the 4060. I saw a financial break down of the net profits of the 40 series cards and it was that they were between 35-40% after manufacturing costs, R&D and marketing. These things are posted in nVidias quarterly reports for investors so it's all public knowledge. I understand that costs have gone up, but transistor density is still going up according to Moore's law. TSMC is posting 40% net profit margins so the idea that their costs have gone up is just absurd.

If you look back in the late 2000's, nVidia's profit margins were in the 12% range and they were selling flagship GPUs for $500. Now we have $1600 dollar GPUs with 40% profit margins.
 

takaozo

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Looking at GPU-z no fan speed, not LN2 but water cooled I guess.
 
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waclark

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I was honestly thinking this when it came out. This is the 4080, the 16gb is the 4070 and the 12gb is the 4060. I saw a financial break down of the net profits of the 40 series cards and it was that they were between 35-40% after manufacturing costs, R&D and marketing. These things are posted in nVidias quarterly reports for investors so it's all public knowledge. I understand that costs have gone up, but transistor density is still going up according to Moore's law. TSMC is posting 40% net profit margins so the idea that their costs have gone up is just absurd.

If you look back in the late 2000's, nVidia's profit margins were in the 12% range and they were selling flagship GPUs for $500. Now we have $1600 dollar GPUs with 40% profit margins.
I went back and as best I could, I looked up Nvidias profits. As far back as 2009/2010 they had 35% gross profits. In the 2015/2016 timeframe it was closer to 55%.

The challenge with Nvidia is that gaming is not the bulk of their business. In fact it's less than half of their total revenue at about 46% FY2022. However, in the first half of 2023 that has shrunk to about 38% of total revenues.

If you look at this presentation you will see gross profits in 1/2 FY2023 to be around 58% and operating margins around 35% (Slide 27). That's down from 1/2 FY2022 of 66 and 46% respectively. There were increases in FY21/22 but otherwise their operating margins have been in the mid-30% range for a while. Also, what we can't tell from these numbers is what the margins are in the gaming sector.

Moore's Law is Dead did a good video on GPU costs and margins and I think it's clear that Nvidia is currently artificially keeping the 40 series prices high in order to clear out the 30 series inventory. But, whether any of these cards can be discounted by 20-30% remains to be seen. In other words, I don't expect to see 4080 12G models in the $600 range any time soon if ever.

AMD may help drive Nvidia prices down somewhat, but I'd be surprised if it's more than $50-100. I suspect AMD is wanting to grab some market share, but also they want to optimize revenue too. So, I think the days of $500 high-end cards is over. I also think that the low-mid range cards that are in the $500 range probably outperform those $500 high-end cards of days gone by. So, it may not be all bad.
 

yRaz

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I went back and as best I could, I looked up Nvidias profits. As far back as 2009/2010 they had 35% gross profits. In the 2015/2016 timeframe it was closer to 55%.

The challenge with Nvidia is that gaming is not the bulk of their business. In fact it's less than half of their total revenue at about 46% FY2022. However, in the first half of 2023 that has shrunk to about 38% of total revenues.

If you look at this presentation you will see gross profits in 1/2 FY2023 to be around 58% and operating margins around 35% (Slide 27). That's down from 1/2 FY2022 of 66 and 46% respectively. There were increases in FY21/22 but otherwise their operating margins have been in the mid-30% range for a while. Also, what we can't tell from these numbers is what the margins are in the gaming sector.

Moore's Law is Dead did a good video on GPU costs and margins and I think it's clear that Nvidia is currently artificially keeping the 40 series prices high in order to clear out the 30 series inventory. But, whether any of these cards can be discounted by 20-30% remains to be seen. In other words, I don't expect to see 4080 12G models in the $600 range any time soon if ever.

AMD may help drive Nvidia prices down somewhat, but I'd be surprised if it's more than $50-100. I suspect AMD is wanting to grab some market share, but also they want to optimize revenue too. So, I think the days of $500 high-end cards is over. I also think that the low-mid range cards that are in the $500 range probably outperform those $500 high-end cards of days gone by. So, it may not be all bad.
As far as AMD is concerned, they might have to sell at lower revenue levels to increase market share. With nVidia coming out with all this propriety technology everyone wants to use it will take some financial sway for developers not to invest in it. nVidia has some cool tech but I'm really getting sick of their crap as a company. I'm also using Linux more these days and nVidia's drivers are a dumpster fire. They've gotten better, but they are far from good.
I guess I can see them inflating the 40 series but calling cutting down a 4080 chip and still call it a 4080 is just nonsense. They thing we're *****s and maybe we're right. They abuse partners and take advantage of consumers.

I do have a dream setup I want to build so whoever can support 8k120 first will get my money, but I think I'm going to go with AMD with my next upgrade. my 1070ti is pretty easy to replace at this point and my motherboard supports the 5800x3d as a drop in replacement. For gaming, the 7000 series shows very little benefit of the 5800X3D. I'll keep my ram and motherboard and get a considerable upgrade out of it.
 

hahahanoobs

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I went back and as best I could, I looked up Nvidias profits. As far back as 2009/2010 they had 35% gross profits. In the 2015/2016 timeframe it was closer to 55%.

The challenge with Nvidia is that gaming is not the bulk of their business. In fact it's less than half of their total revenue at about 46% FY2022. However, in the first half of 2023 that has shrunk to about 38% of total revenues.

If you look at this presentation you will see gross profits in 1/2 FY2023 to be around 58% and operating margins around 35% (Slide 27). That's down from 1/2 FY2022 of 66 and 46% respectively. There were increases in FY21/22 but otherwise their operating margins have been in the mid-30% range for a while. Also, what we can't tell from these numbers is what the margins are in the gaming sector.

Moore's Law is Dead did a good video on GPU costs and margins and I think it's clear that Nvidia is currently artificially keeping the 40 series prices high in order to clear out the 30 series inventory. But, whether any of these cards can be discounted by 20-30% remains to be seen. In other words, I don't expect to see 4080 12G models in the $600 range any time soon if ever.

AMD may help drive Nvidia prices down somewhat, but I'd be surprised if it's more than $50-100. I suspect AMD is wanting to grab some market share, but also they want to optimize revenue too. So, I think the days of $500 high-end cards is over. I also think that the low-mid range cards that are in the $500 range probably outperform those $500 high-end cards of days gone by. So, it may not be all bad.
Data center also surpassed client for AMD.
Down 53% Q/Q, 40% YoY.
GPU Flat.
42% gross margin.
ADL took market share.
Both in trouble, but AMD is taking the bigger hit. AMD could start losing more money during their recovery.

Will know how bad things are when Q3 results come from blue and green.
 

takaozo

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First days after Zen4 launch dont look that good also, with released motherboards prices there is no doubt sales are low. I see only some 7700 and 7900 being sold but not at the volume when Zen3 released.
 

Gregtombstone

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How many people need or can afford these cards. We all dream of a Porsche but end up driving a Ford Escort. The reality is most people game at 1080p and anything currently mid range is more than adequate for decent fps. I think for Amd and Nvidia its going to be a hard sell to get people to cough up 1500 to 2000 Euro for a card with the way economies are currently tanking. I have just upgraded to a 2k 27" monitor and am holding fire on a long needed GPU upgrade as I am hoping for further falls in prices. An AMD 6800 xt would be more than enough and they are heading for 600 euro. My current RX480 8gb while now ancient paired with a 3700x has held up well and I refused to pay the miner tax on a new card.
 

yRaz

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How many people need or can afford these cards. We all dream of a Porsche but end up driving a Ford Escort. The reality is most people game at 1080p and anything currently mid range is more than adequate for decent fps. I think for Amd and Nvidia its going to be a hard sell to get people to cough up 1500 to 2000 Euro for a card with the way economies are currently tanking. I have just upgraded to a 2k 27" monitor and am holding fire on a long needed GPU upgrade as I am hoping for further falls in prices. An AMD 6800 xt would be more than enough and they are heading for 600 euro. My current RX480 8gb while now ancient paired with a 3700x has held up well and I refused to pay the miner tax on a new card.
Hey, I plan on buying a Porsche within the next 5-6 years. And, frankly, I'd probably get more enjoyment out of than a 40 series card. I've always wanted a Porsche Targa in Shark blue. For some reason people don't like the styling of the Targas so they are relatively cheap on the used market.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Hey, I plan on buying a Porsche within the next 5-6 years. And, frankly, I'd probably get more enjoyment out of than a 40 series card. I've always wanted a Porsche Targa in Shark blue. For some reason people don't like the styling of the Targas so they are relatively cheap on the used market.
Less expensive yet quicker.

 

yRaz

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Less expensive yet quicker.

absolutely, but I want to be able to have fun driving a car that wont put me in jail, lol. Also, I just like the interior and exterior styling of the Targa's more. Corvette interior quality has never been a strong point and I want something that is an enjoyable place to be more than I want straight speed.

The Targa has been a dream of mine for around 15 years now. It'll be a treat to myself when I hit 40 for all my years of hard work
 

Mr Majestyk

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Braindead architecture that relies on clockspeed and AI fakery to boost frame rates. If it weren't for DLSS3 the update would look pretty average.
 

Gregtombstone

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Hey, I plan on buying a Porsche within the next 5-6 years. And, frankly, I'd probably get more enjoyment out of than a 40 series card. I've always wanted a Porsche Targa in Shark blue. For some reason people don't like the styling of the Targas so they are relatively cheap on the used market.
My son worked with Mantay racing at Nurburgring, germany. They are Porche owned turning shop. When I went to visit in 2021 I couldn't belive how many porches of every description were around. Hundreds down to run the Ring ! I could sell my sole for one lol
 

yRaz

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My son worked with Mantay racing at Nurburgring, germany. They are Porche owned turning shop. When I went to visit in 2021 I couldn't belive how many porches of every description were around. Hundreds down to run the Ring ! I could sell my sole for one lol
I have loved porches since I was less than 10 years old and it was always my dream to buy one. There are two things I haven't done on my bucket list, buy an exotic sports car(I know Porsche is a grey area when it comes to exotics) and the other one is to go out to Yosemite and climb all the great faces, maybe even get El Capitan.

I've driven a lot of sports cars and the Porsche is my idea of a perfect combination of speed, styling and luxury. Everyone wants to talk about track numbers, speed, braking distances. I just want a car that I think is beautiful and is also a pleasant place to be, the speed is just a bonus. But I am aiming for 40 and I'm only a few years away. It's my plan that when I get it I'm going to take a few weeks off work and drive all over the US, hit everyone one of the continental 48
 

Gregtombstone

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I have loved porches since I was less than 10 years old and it was always my dream to buy one. There are two things I haven't done on my bucket list, buy an exotic sports car(I know Porsche is a grey area when it comes to exotics) and the other one is to go out to Yosemite and climb all the great faces, maybe even get El Capitan.

I've driven a lot of sports cars and the Porsche is my idea of a perfect combination of speed, styling and luxury. Everyone wants to talk about track numbers, speed, braking distances. I just want a car that I think is beautiful and is also a pleasant place to be, the speed is just a bonus. But I am aiming for 40 and I'm only a few years away. It's my plan that when I get it I'm going to take a few weeks off work and drive all over the US, hit everyone one of the continental 48
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