Logitech to ship mice with replaceable batteries in Europe only, following Nintendo

[Puiu]

A replaceable battery means a small chance that the owner will keep using it after the battery dies.
Small thing but our world consists of small things. We need to lower waste creation. And these fused
devices are a perfect example of unneeded waste. I am a bit annoyed that it is EU making these small right
thing instead of us.
Instead of bankrupting companies with impossible green rules, like EU is doing with their Automotive industry, there should be conscious push, many small changes that result in less and less waste

Just a quick sidenote: car manufacturers are dying not because of the EU, but because they lost the Chinese market completely, and in Europe, China is also eating some of the market share.

Foreign automakers' share in China fell from 57% in 2020 to 32% in 2025 and 2026 looks bleak as hell.

 

[dangh]

Just a quick sidenote: car manufacturers are dying not because of the EU, but because they lost the Chinese market completely, and in Europe, China is also eating some of the market share.

Foreign automakers' share in China fell from 57% in 2020 to 32% in 2025 and 2026 looks bleak as hell.

Csr manufacturer dying because of heavy subsidies for car industry in China, and artificially maintained value of yen. Centrally driven economy have those advantages out doesn't care about open citizens, it uses them to gain advantage on other countries.

 

[Endymio]

The EU [objectiv]e is to stop some of the general stupid trends in the industry like batteries one can't replace, electronics glued together so there is no chance of repair and so on.

Is it helpful to allow one single component -- out of the many that can possible fail in a mice -- to be replaced, if it increases even slightly the chance that all the others will fail?

I've owned hundreds of mice since the 1980s: by far the component that fails the fastest is one of the switches. I don't believe I've ever had one last the 5 year lifespan of a typical Li-Ion battery.

 

[Marco Mint]

My Logitech G309 already uses a replaceable AA battery. I have spare rechargeable eneloops on my desk. It takes literally 5 seconds to change the battery and lasts approx 4-6 months on each one. The optical switches also ensure no double clicks. There's no reason to have a lithium ion battery in any mouse really.

 

[ActualViking]

Is it helpful to allow one single component -- out of the many that can possible fail in a mice -- to be replaced, if it increases even slightly the chance that all the others will fail?

I've owned hundreds of mice since the 1980s: by far the component that fails the fastest is one of the switches. I don't believe I've ever had one last the 5 year lifespan of a typical Li-Ion battery.

Why would replaceable batteries increase the risk of other components failing?

The EU rules on batteries doesn't target mice, they are about everything be phones, mice, shavers, toothbrushes...

On the mice not living long, what do you do to break them?
I rarely have had one die on me, in fact it has been years not counting the two G502's mentioned. I'm using my mice for all sorts from office work to intense gaming sessions.
The exception has been the two G502 which broke on me, with the one it was some sugary liquid that made the scroll wheel nasty to use and the other had a fall during transport that cracked the shell.

 

[Endymio]

Why would replaceable batteries increase the risk of other components failing?

When a device can be designed to be permanently sealed, it can be made smaller, lighter, and all internal components can be glued and/or epoxy potted to withstand much higher shocks without damage.

The EU rules on batteries doesn't target mice...

But it does apply to mice.

... they are about everything be phones, mice, shavers, toothbrushes...

Actually, the specification is worse for "wet" devices like shavers or toothbrushes -- here, the EU demands they be replaced by "certified professionals", due to so-called "safety concerns"

I received a greeting card recently that plays a tune when opened ... I'm waiting for the EU to demand it come with a user-replaceable battery too.

On the mice not living long, what do you do to break them?

A lot of clicking and scrolling. I assume optical-switch mice would survive longer, but I just can't stand the feel.

 

[Melkor Unlimited]

Why Manufacturers Seal Batteries[/I]

• Weight savings: Eliminating plastic battery doors and cradles keeps mice light and balanced.
• Safety concerns: Soft-case lithium-ion cells can puncture or short-circuit if mishandled by untrained users.
• Design limits: Sealed builds allow slimmer shapes and integrated wireless charging tech. "

You forgot the most important one

• Cutting costs

 

[Win7user]

I only use the Logitech MK320. It's usually reasonably priced. It's $34.99 at Staples right now.

 

[BadThad]

The EU, lmao! I've used dozens of Logitech wireless mice for decades. Not a single one was ever retired for battery failure! The buttons are toast long before the batteries. Even then, they just usually get retired for something better. Have fun paying more for mice in the EU! And don't forget - PROPERLY dispose of those old Li batteries so some Indians can dismantle them and dump the contents into the Ganges.

 

[BadThad]

Csr manufacturer dying because of heavy subsidies for car industry in China, and artificially maintained value of yen. Centrally driven economy have those advantages out doesn't care about open citizens, it uses them to gain advantage on other countries.

Folks forget just how ironic the situation is. China is a communist country, the majority stake of the major companies is owned by the CCP and they take 2/3 of the profits. It PAYS very well to steal money from the people to enrich the communist party. They're living the high life while the majority starves.

 

[BadThad]

Is it helpful to allow one single component -- out of the many that can possible fail in a mice -- to be replaced, if it increases even slightly the chance that all the others will fail?

I've owned hundreds of mice since the 1980s: by far the component that fails the fastest is one of the switches. I don't believe I've ever had one last the 5 year lifespan of a typical Li-Ion battery.

See my post, the buttons and scroll wheels fail LONG before the batteries.

I would add, my time is FAR more valuable than to waste time dissecting a mouse to replace anything on it. They are disposable appliances that honestly-- actually often well exceed their expected lifespans and are simply replaced due to obsolesce.

 

[BadThad]

Actually, the specification is worse for "wet" devices like shavers or toothbrushes -- here, the EU demands they be replaced by "certified professionals", due to so-called "safety concerns"

I received a greeting card recently that plays a tune when opened ... I'm waiting for the EU to demand it come with a user-replaceable battery too.

LOLOLOLOLOL - Welcome to the EU nanny-state!

 

[starfalls]

Before Logitech became a garbage company, I bought tens of mouses from US directly, and they ALL had replaceable batteries.

This shows how backwards their mentality is. STUPID people deserve stupid clients.

Yea yea, and guess what, same thing for headsets, wireless keyboards.... phones? tablets? Lets not forget video cards with burning cables. Alot of tech is going backwards, just a fact. I dont liek it, but you gotta accept it. Its been like that for years. What EU is doing is amazing, and honestly shocking. They do wanna resell you a new one cus the old 1 has bad battery. Thats part of how they make money... sadly. Even TVs. OLED? 3-5 years tops. Best case 7-8. All my other TVs? 20-30 years. ALL of them work, all of them has 0 issues and look just as good as day 1. Even the brightness is the same. Modern tech has to break, so they can sell you a new 1. Old washing machines lasted 30-50 years. New ones last 1 or 2... MAYBE 4-5. Should I go on? Its ALL THE TECH. So yes, I agree with you but also.. with that logic you wont buy anything. Literally nothing. I dont wanna defend the evil greedy corporations but yea. My RTX 5080 already has burning hot cables from just playing Starcraft 2 from 2010.... so yeah. Ngreedia is bad and all but also doesnt change the cable or cares.

 

[vimann]

Boo-hoo big bad EU again siding with the customers and not licking the boot of tech companies

 

[subnex]

Logitech made quality mice and keyboards 15 years ago. Back then their control software just worked with 0 bloat and user data collection.
Now their products feel cheap and crappy. Their software is useless