Low-cost 'transparent' solar cells reach new efficiency record, electricity-generating...

JamesBlond

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Hmm, let's see:
1 - Any idea about the cost of building something so remote, immense, expensive, complicated, with a huge environmental impact, PLUS the cost of running and maintaining and housing for the employees? You need lots of people run, maintain and control those behemoths!

2- What about schooling, food and infrastructure for those employees on those "small, remote islands"?

3 - Any idea about transporting generated power across the globe to the countries that need it?? Too bad we can't beam it! billions of tons of cabling will be required......

4- Where do you plan to keep nuclear waste (nuclear rods that have expired but still-radio active for the next thousands of years)? Next to those people who work there?? Nuclear waste is always an after thought....best to be ignored.

Otherwise, sounds like a great plan!!
There is plenty of Research out there, my cousin runs the Engineering repairs of Africa's largest NP Plant, islands 2-4km from the coast, these are always the best. I did plenty of research before I made the post, there is far less waste product from NP than any other form.
All this Climate change bullshit is also causing people to fall for the lies of Wind Farms and Solar, sure solar is nice and clean and will get better, but what if you live in a place that is 70% cloudy all year round or is dark from 4pm to 10am the next day..and you only have 6hours of light...?? Too many questions to go through... to many idea... but one that works and well is NP
 

Avro Arrow

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A friend of mine works in research in nuclear waste and in fact there's are so many types of pollution that it becomes hard to evaluate and even harder to approve. There is the nuclear waste that everybody knows which is what is extremely radioactive, but in the long term there is also all the materials near the reactor which is very radiocative. Also even the water (if I remember well its iodine content especially) that is used to cool it down is radioactive, and this is a tremendous amount of matter. Excuse the lack of details, it's been a while since I heard her speak about it.
Water can't be radioactive because it's a barrier against radiation. That's the reason why the spent bundles are stored in those pools, because it renders them harmless to the people working there.
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Spent Fuel Pool - Wikipedia
 

Avro Arrow

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Well, it depends. If you're into the climate change train
That's like saying I'm on the "sky is blue" train. It's not a train, it's reality. Perhaps you've heard of it?
you'd probably be expecting droughts in Canada and floods on dry places, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a "change", wouldn't it?
I actually said the opposite. I said specifically that Canada has more lakes than the rest of the world combined and so we WON'T get droughts. We also have a crap-tonne of polar ice so water won't be OUR problem but it could be a problem elsewhere. Take a look at a map sometime, find where Canada is and start counting the lakes and rivers. When you're done, ten years will have probably passed.
So, you're ok with doing a known bad thing in the hopes that I'll somehow "help somewhere else".
No, you're gaslighting me with that. I'm ok with doing a known bad thing because I KNOW (not hope) that it will help EVERYWHERE. That local ecosystem you're so concerned about will be destroyed with everything else. I also have made it clear that I believe the ultimate solution is Geo-Thermal power, something that doesn't submerge anything.
This is why the climate change movement has so many contact points with a cult. Just apply some introspection and think: "are we the baddies?"
The only reason it seems like a cult to you is that you don't understand and therefore don't believe scientific theory. Anything that you don't understand seems like magic and/or superstition. Well, to those of us who DO understand it, it's simple logic. The cult is deniers like you because you believe what you do because you WANT to. Do you think that I WANT to believe in climate change, that I WANT it to be true? Of course I don't! I believe it because the evidence is conclusive and I'm not stupid.
 

MakeMSGreatAgain

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30.4%... almost as efficient as some gas engines. Wow.

Sarcasm aside this is a step in the right direction. We have to find something to get off oil which we will eventually use up, plus it would be nice not to breathe in all the crap. With that though the big companies profiting from these things need to be looking at the big picture, and make these things to last. Too many are making junk products that will need replaced in under 15 years, destroying a good portion if not all of the claimed greeness of said product.
 
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AlaskaGuy

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30.4%... almost as efficient as some gas engines. Wow.

Sarcasm aside this is a step in the right direction. We have to find something to get off oil which we will eventually use up, plus it would be nice not to breathe in all the crap. With that though the big companies profiting from these things need to be looking at the big picture, and make these things to last. Too many are making junk products that will need replaced in under 15 years.
Because it's so good they have to ban the competition not to mention the amount of pollution that goes on making the batteries for EV's nor the electricity they consume.
 

Hodor

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I agree with that. I personally think that the best and most overlooked sources of electricity are geo-thermal and hydroelectric. I do not understand why these are ignored.

Because so called "greenies" don't want cheap green energy to power the world. They want unreliable expensive energy to pretend its powering the world. And then it fails miserably, because it's unreliable.

As opposed to that, geothermal and hydro are RELIABLE renewable sources. They can replace coal, oil and nuclear almost everywhere. Even if you don't have water resources, Earth is hot under our feet. Just make a deep enough hole (say, 3000m) push something through the pipe (say, water, air, or even CO2) and on the exit pipe you get that same medium heated for free. Which can then turn a turbine, which powers a generator. Philippines produce 30% of their electric power from geothermal. And they are very happy with it.

That's exactly the main problem. Those things just work. They don't need fuel. No need for mining or ore enriching corporations. No sudden energy crisis. Or does it spell "Crysis" :)?

With reliable renewable sources sharks that earn mucho dinero on energy supply fluctuations can't earn a dime. They can't close Russian gas to Europe and then sell Europeans natural gas at 1000% higher prices, like they do now. Because geothermal energy is everywhere. It doesn't depend on uranium enrichment facilities, on oil supply, on gas pipes, or coal mines. It makes any country totally energy independent.

Which is the worst nightmare for global financial mafia. And their slaves called "greenies".
 
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Avro Arrow

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Because so called "greenies" don't want cheap green energy to power the world. They want unreliable expensive energy to pretend its powering the world. And then it fails miserably, because it's unreliable.
I agree. Everytime I see some fool talking about only Solar and Wind as "clean" energy, I doubt their sincerity AND their intelligence. Solar and Wind are unreliable and are therefore, doomed to fail.
As opposed to that, geothermal and hydro are RELIABLE renewable sources. They can replace coal, oil and nuclear almost everywhere. Even if you don't have water resources, Earth is hot under our feet. Just make a deep enough hole (say, 3000m) push something through the pipe (say, water, air, or even CO2) and on the exit pipe you get that same medium heated for free. Which can then turn a turbine, which powers a generator. Philippines produce 30% of their electric power from geothermal. And they are very happy with it.
I believe it, it just makes sense and doesn't even need a pump to run it because gravity forces the water down shaft #1 and steam pressure forces it up #2. It's just an amazingly simple setup. Italy actually has some of these plants on Mount Vesuvius because it pulls heat (and therefore pressure) out of the ground, stabilizing the volcano.
That's exactly the main problem. Those things just work. They don't need fuel. No need for mining or ore enriching corporations. No sudden energy crisis. Or does it spell "Crysis" :)?
Yep, nothing for the greedy capitalists to take advantage of.
With reliable renewable sources sharks that earn mucho dinero on energy supply fluctuations can't earn a dime. They can't close Russian gas to Europe and then sell Europeans natural gas at 1000% higher prices, like they do now. Because geothermal energy is everywhere. It doesn't depend on uranium enrichment facilities, on oil supply, on gas pipes, or coal mines. It makes any country totally energy independent.
Which is why I don't understand how more governments aren't using it, at least in countries where the government provides electricity.
Which is the worst nightmare for global financial mafia. And their slaves called "greenies".
Those a-holes deserve a nightmare because that's what they've put everyone else through! :D
 

someOtherGuy

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That's like saying I'm on the "sky is blue" train. It's not a train, it's reality. Perhaps you've heard of it?

So, you're saying that "climate change" is more than a theory and is scientifically proved, I hear you.

I actually said the opposite. I said specifically that Canada has more lakes than the rest of the world combined and so we WON'T get droughts. We also have a crap-tonne of polar ice so water won't be OUR problem but it could be a problem elsewhere. Take a look at a map sometime, find where Canada is and start counting the lakes and rivers. When you're done, ten years will have probably passed.

Cool, so, you'd be worried about floods, noted.

No, you're gaslighting me with that. I'm ok with doing a known bad thing because I KNOW (not hope) that it will help EVERYWHERE. That local ecosystem you're so concerned about will be destroyed with everything else. I also have made it clear that I believe the ultimate solution is Geo-Thermal power, something that doesn't submerge anything.

Every time you're ok with some destruction, you should get some self reflection time, since it's a lot of responsibility and you might be screwing something big time if you got it wrong. Already told you that rivers, lakes and "the planet" in general won't go anywhere on a hotter Earth, and I challenge you to prove me wrong, please. You're trying to "save" habitats, even if you're not aware yet, by destroying habitats, and your logic is that you're saving more than what you're destroying. The flaw there is you don't talk about "creating" anything, you're only about "destruction for conservation", which is a net negative. If enough people follow your logic there won't be any habitat to conserve in the near future.

The only reason it seems like a cult to you is that you don't understand and therefore don't believe scientific theory. Anything that you don't understand seems like magic and/or superstition. Well, to those of us who DO understand it, it's simple logic. The cult is deniers like you because you believe what you do because you WANT to. Do you think that I WANT to believe in climate change, that I WANT it to be true? Of course I don't! I believe it because the evidence is conclusive and I'm not stupid.

There's a red flag: science and belief shouldn't share a sentence. The fact that you "believe" in science is the mark of the cult. Science doesn't require your faith, gravity will pull you regardless of your belief system. The scientific theory is THE METHOD that doesn't trust anything, and tries to prove everything wrong. The science is what survives all those tests. If your THEORY fails at explaining something it doesn't mean that there is a lack of faith, it means that it's flawed and that it needs more work. If you think that climate change is "proven science" then good for you; there are other not so naive people that still stick to the scientific principle and want to see more proof.

None of this is "provable" since it's something that "is supposed to happen". You won't be able to "prove" your model (which is basically what "climate change" is) until it happens, and you want to use your model to prevent the outcome. So, unless you have an Earth carbon copy around to test it before it happens, you'll have to go on faith, You push that strong belief in your model too hard and you get to the cult zone.
 

yannus

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Water can't be radioactive because it's a barrier against radiation. That's the reason why the spent bundles are stored in those pools, because it renders them harmless to the people working there.
I was talking about iodine as you can see in my post
 

Avro Arrow

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I was talking about iodine as you can see in my post
Oh, my apologies. I must have read it wrong. Sometimes I forget that my eyes are as old as the rest of me! :laughing: