Manufacturers intend to make 2019 the year 8K begins

I think there is a significant gap between 'can tell a difference' and 'makes a pleasing difference'. Just being able to perceive a difference is unlikely to sell many units. Of course, there are those folks who buy 250+ mph cars to drive down 75 mph highways.

While I don't disagree about TVs I do have to point out that usually with a 250mph+ car the really important feature people are buying is not the top speed, but the ability to get to 75mph *much* more quickly then the average car. Its the acceleration people tend to buy, not the top speed.
 
Why??? Because every digital TV station gives free 720p broadcasts well they do in the UK except the main terrestrial channels
The US ATSC standard allows OTA channels the choice of either 720p or 1080i <(note, not p scan). These are all free channels,(ranging from ch 2 to ch. 69) obviously sponsored by advertising. Sideband channels X-2, X-3, X-4, (X-1 would be primary) are likely to be heavily compressed 480l, the old NTSC standard..

I'm a little confused by your use of the term "terrestrial channels", as here in the US, the upcharge for high def, is only applicable to cable providers.

But then our OTA channels, (as I said earlier), only go to 1080i (*), not the 1080p "full high def" standard.

(*) AFAIK, the 1080l is only 30 fps, not 60 fps.

Your confused because its confusing. The UK charges people for the privilege of having a TV at all (they used to drive around using scanning equipment to find people watching TV without a "license").

I have no idea how they enforce that stuff anymore with mobiles, etc. Used to be, if you saw something with the BBC tag it was highly likely that the show had been funded with UK taxpayer dollars.
 
If ATSC 3.0 ever hits the airwaves, 4K and above will be supported OTA. Maybe it is one of the extremely few things Pai will get right in his tenure as FCC shill.....[ ]....
Groovy! :) So maybe someday I'll have an actual use for my, bought from Walmart on sale, 4K TV...(y) (Y)

But do we really need Imax resolution in the average 16 x 16 living room. I think not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX

What you're saying with, "Pai will get 'right'", is simply allowing another massive money grab from manufacturers, inflicting on people things they possibly don't want or need, but simply must have because the neighbors have it, and the ads told them they'd be lost without.

And no doubt 8K TVs will be "smarter" than the 4K TVs of today, which is euphemism for a greater invasion of privacy

Don't you think this Amazon "Portal" sh!t will eventually lead to your TV being a "Portal", and don't you think that various actors, (governments included), will have "man in the middle attacks", all primed and waiting for that eventuality?
 
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Nobody is broadcasting in 4k yet, save for netflix and vudu and a couple of other streaming sites. In terms of required bandwidth, I don't even know if that's possible in the US. Cable companies would all have to agree that it makes good financial sense to offer it. I remember getting my first 1080P set. I had to pay my cable company an extra premium to get content made for my TV. That service isn't available yet for 4k viewing outside of the streaming sites. 8K sets for the home just seem really pointless right now, and at $15,000?. No thank you.
 
Your confused because its confusing. The UK charges people for the privilege of having a TV at all (they used to drive around using scanning equipment to find people watching TV without a "license").

I have no idea how they enforce that stuff anymore with mobiles, etc. Used to be, if you saw something with the BBC tag it was highly likely that the show had been funded with UK taxpayer dollars.
If those are the ground rules, then I think the people in the UK have confused a "democratic ceremonial monarchy", with a totalitarian government.

And every new piece of legislation I've seen come out of the UK recently, backs that up.

I especially like the one where your courts bent over for the copyright industry, by outlawing citizens from making, "mixed tapes", from digital music which they had legitimately purchased.

In any case, "once upon a time", you could be hung for not accepting the king as "god"....


Bear with me, I have a profound weakness for musical art drawn from historical truths.

The village square stands quiet
The curfew still enforced
The streets are even clear of dogs and *****s
Like some evil bird of prey
The scaffold spreads its wings
The people build their fires and bolt their doors
The mayor is giving dinner to the officers’ wives
His eldest son is learning how to fawn
The barrack block is hushed and tense
The soldiers drawing lots
Who will be the hangman in the dawn?
The lot falls on a young man
Who has served for but a year
His home is in the village close nearby
He shivers at the thought of what
He’s forced to do next day
He wonders who it is, who has to die?
And the full moon casts a cold light
On the gloomy prison walls
The papist walks his cell, he cannot sleep
He hears the waiting gallows creaking
Just beyond that door
He prays for he has no more tears to weep
The day begins to break
A muffled drums begins to sound
A crowd begins to gather in the square
The presence of the hangman in his terrifying mask
Weighs heavy on the minds of all those there
The colonel reads the sentence
Which the papist knows by heart
He has failed to show allegiance to the King
His crime is thus with God himself
And in His name he must hang
The papist, head held high, says not a thing
The jailer binds his hands
And puts his blindfold to his eyes
He leads him through the door before the crowd
The hangman sees his victim
And the blood drains from his face
He sees his younger brother standing proud
The hangman tries to protest
But is ordered to proceed
His trembling hands begin to take the strain
His eyes are blind with streaming tears
And he cries for all to hear
Forgive me, God, we hang him in Thy name
Forgive me, God, we hang him in Thy name
Forgive me, God, we hang him in Thy name
Oh, please forgive me, God, we hang him in Thy name
Forgive me, God, we hang him in Thy name
 
No TV station is going to be broadcasting in 8K so it's internet streaming only.

So is my download allowance going to increase fourfold for no more money to compensate for the higher resolution? Am I suddenly going to see a big increase in my download speeds?
 
...[ ]....So is my download allowance going to increase fourfold for no more money to compensate for the higher resolution?
Of course not, silly
Am I suddenly going to see a big increase in my download speeds?
You certainly will. Right after you agree to sign up for the fastest, most expensive internet service Comcast or Verizon has available at the time. Happy streaming! (y) (Y)
 
You can buy a 4K 70" TV for LESS than $900.

You won't see me buying an 8K anything till I can buy an 8K 70" TV for less than $900.
 
How much resolution do I need to use my TV as a computer monitor with readable text? CRT monitors were HD when TV's were standard. Besides, at this point, I prefer 1080p with at least 120hz frame rate and not that false interpolation crap either. The last time I bought a TV (2016), real time 120hz was expensive. That would be my next upgrade. "Framerates, more framerates" - Christopher Walken, Technology Live.
 
yep, if you are blind might as well keep your old tube tv :D

unless you are watching 4k content u arent seeing anything more.
There is plenty of 4K content on Netflix and Amazon Prime. Also, upscaled 1080p to 4k looks pretty nice to me.
 
Groovy! :) So maybe someday I'll have an actual use for my, bought from Walmart on sale, 4K TV...(y) (Y)
I love your optimism. ;)

But do we really need Imax resolution in the average 16 x 16 living room. I think not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX
Since I have given up on IMAX and theaters in general, why not? :laughing:

What you're saying with, "Pai will get 'right'", is simply allowing another massive money grab from manufacturers, inflicting on people things they possibly don't want or need, but simply must have because the neighbors have it, and the ads told them they'd be lost without.
Well, if people have not yet figured out how to recognize the marketing schemes, that is their fault, IMO. If they are that ignorant and have the money, let them spend it.

I get a kick out of all the pandering that advertisers presently do - especially those ads for the latest phones and iPads that try to make the phone look like the latest and best ever centerfold model. I find it quite hilarious and an extreme comment on what society values - or perhaps better put, what marketers try to tell humanity that they should value.

Those commercials are right up there, IMO, with the makeup commercials that feature 20 somethings intimating that anyone can look like them if only they apply significant amounts of :poop: and smelly :poop: to their bodies and faces. Most of those 20 something models do not need to apply chemical :poop: to their faces to be beautiful, IMO.

However, ATSC 3.0 is likely being balked at at this time because broadcasters - your local TV stations that is - will have to spend more money to upgrade because the dolts that designed ATSC 1.0 were simply clueless in overlaying digital TV on a known inferior analog technology. :facepalm:

ATSC 3.0 does have other potential - such as a basis for OTA internet service since it is based on IP. Maybe, just maybe, something good will come out of it if it is ever fully implemented. However, it would not at all surprise me if there are dark forces out there fighting against it since it is a potentially disruptive technology, IMO at least.

And no doubt 8K TVs will be "smarter" than the 4K TVs of today, which is euphemism for a greater invasion of privacy

Don't you think this Amazon "Portal" sh!t will eventually lead to your TV being a "Portal", and don't you think that various actors, (governments included), will have "man in the middle attacks", all primed and waiting for that eventuality?
My TV will never be directly connected to the internet. I built an HTPC several years ago, and I will never go back. If ATSC 3.0 is ever accepted, I'll be blocking the feedback it gives and the ads it has the possibility to send to me with my firewall.

Then again, I am not your average TV buyer. And I think this leads to what we have discussed before that it this kind of :poop: extends from the systemic problems with humanity that are ingrained in the current economic systems.
 
I would trade my 80" 4K for an 80" 1080p if they made one. My 1080p content looks super sharp on a 1080p TV and looks crappy on my 4K TV. It's a Samsung so I would expect the upscaling engine to be superb but it seems to suck. I can't imagine how worse it can get on an 8K TV.
 
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