Microsoft confirms Windows Blue update is shipping later this year
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cliffordcooley
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TheBigFatClown
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So what you are saying is that you love Windows 8 because you made it look like Windows 7 again? LOL.
With an SSD boot time on Windows 7 is ridiculously fast so that's a moot point.
So your admitting that you love Windows 8 but you never use the Metro interface. Which begs the question, why in the hell did you even upgrade to Windows 8??? Can I take a guess??? You got it for $14.99 and said why not. Wonderful.
Railman
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I could not care less about faster boot times on my work PC. It gets switched on at 9:40 and is closed down at 17:45. In any case I make a cup of tea during boot up. Productivity during use is more important. W7 works well with multiple screens and multiple windows open. Why change to W8?
VitalyT
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I was thinking of what could be the good reasons for upgrading to Windows 8 from Windows 7, and here's my list:
- If you have a touch-screen device, it is a no-brainer.
- If you rely on a laptop a lot and battery life matters to you. Windows 8 is already way more ergonomic than Windows 7, but the energy-saving updates that come with Windows Blue, optimized for Haswell, will be unbeatable. According to some projections your laptop's lifespan with Windows Blue on Haswell will double that with Windows 7 on Ivy Bridge. This however isn't really an upgrade, just best option when buying a new laptop later this year.
- If you are a software developer, and require testing against Windows 8.
- If support of custom DPI is needed and/or better multi-monitor support. If you have enough money to buy a 4K monitor already, you might want to tweak DPI for best results. And if you have 2+ monitors, Windows 8 is way better at it. Although, in all fairness, I am divided if this is a good enough reason.
Myself, I use Win7 x64 Ultimate on my desktop, plus I have Macbook Air with Windows 8 Pro as the second OS. I bought it for $15, plus $5 for Start8, and think that was a good investment.
And I know that I will be assembling a new rig this fall based on Haswell and Windows Blue, good or bad, I'm stuck with Windows for now, as Visual Studio 2010 and 2012 are my primary tools.
TheBigFatClown
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Ummmmm, I am developer who used to use Visual Studio 2010 and am currently using Visual Studio 2012 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Please tell us all, me specifically because I am dying to know, how using either Visual Studio 2010 or 2012 mandates that you must use Windows 8 as your primary operating system?
Your arguments for upgrading to Windows 8 suck a rosy red titty, like most hollow posts that I feel a need to respond to. Get your priorities right you sponge-headed zombies and do some thinking for yourselves. You don't choose an operating system just because it can burn energy at a slower pace. Haswell processors will reduce power consumption and increase battery life on any laptop regardless of the operating system it is running on. Do you want me to rush out and buy a new laptop with Windows 8 so I can get on my roof and scream, "My ***** Windows 8 laptop is still running after 10 hours. Aren't I special?"
If I could get double the battery life on a Windows 8 laptop I wouldn't use it because I can't stand a UI that is in-my-face 24/7. I don't need live tiles ******* updating constantly on my screen. Does Windows 8 come with a warning about the possibility of having seizures for ellileptics?
Windows 8 is a ***** tablet OS which should have be confined to tablets. But even if Microsoft had been smart and never released it to desktop there would still be a problem.
Googles Android OS is taking care of most of the world just fine.
Windows 8 on desktop = Dead On Arrival = ain't ever gonna happen on this computer
Windows 8 on tablet = too little too late to the game
People need to realize there is only so much you can do on a tablet. They are toys, not productivity tools.
VitalyT
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Now I am dying to know where exactly in my post did you see something even remotely hinting at that?
When you post a reply before reading the message it tells us that your need for posting is way ahead of your thinking.
You may jump off that roof, for all I care, you are the big fat clown.
For all the other jiving and screaming that I won't even quote here, you pass for a psychotic nerd. Go chew on a Prozac or something...
TheBigFatClown
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So you had no valid retort for any one of mine? Your arguments for people to "rush out" and buy Windows 8 because of a longer battery life are just well....hilarious.
What it's called when a person digresses into attacking the debater instead of responding to his points? I forget.
TheBigFatClown
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VitalyT
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Read it again. If it didn't sink in the second time - try again. You lack common sense, if you don't understand what you are reading. That's why I didn't bother wasting my arguments against your "points".
Edited: That sentence is talking about Windows in general, got nothing to do with Windows 8 upgrading points.
Will Windows 8.1 be a free update for Windows 8 users when it get final release
VitalyT
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There has been a rumor going on around about that, but no confirmation or denial as yet. What does make sense - since Microsoft is moving towards an update schedule similar to Apple's, even if they charge anything for the update, it cannot be more than the discount price for the initial Windows 8.0, I.e. $30, give or take. I'm betting that MS won't charge anything for the update on top of existing 8.0 licenses, considering how weak their Windows 8 position as it is, and 8.1 should be treated as a service pack.
Edited: I just researched this matter from the most recent sources, and it appears that I was right to put my money on a free update. It is now official: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2013/05/07/windows-blue-confirmed/1
It says that right in the very first paragraph
TheBigFatClown
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There has been a rumor going on around about that, but no confirmation or denial as yet. What does make sense - since Microsoft is moving towards an update schedule similar to Apple's, even if they charge anything for the update, it cannot be more than the discount price for the initial Windows 8.0, I.e. $30, give or take. I'm betting that MS won't charge anything for the update on top of existing 8.0 licenses, considering how weak their Windows 8 position as it is, and 8.1 should be treated as a service pack.
Edited: I just researched this matter from the most recent sources, and it appears that I was right to put my money on a free update. It is now official: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2013/05/07/windows-blue-confirmed/1
It says that right in the very first paragraph
I hope they actually charge something for it. I wanna see how stupid they actually are. The whole operating system should be free. They couldn't pay me to install that crap on my desktop. Well, only if they started at or above $1,000.00.
P.S. Isn't it past your bedtime?
I bought Win8 last month while upgrading the PC because I wanted to see what was so new and special about it.
I tried really really hard to use the Metro interface but it is just horrible. If I open an app it fills the screen with no visible way to close it (Escape doesn't work, that should be a no-brainer). If I install new software it creates gigantic tiles on the screen for every option (like run software, connect to website, run config tool, etc). There is no way to create groups or folders (subsections) on the metro interface, other than creating a new gigantic 2 columns. It's very hard to rearrange icons to how you want them, your only choice is left to right over 2 columns, top to bottom. It's just painful.
I ended up installing Classic Shell with a Start button/menu and boot to desktop. My main gripe now is that windows in the desktop look horrible. The Aero interface is gone so we have lost transparent surrounds and curved corners. Also I can't figure out how to get rid of the splashscreen that I have to click on login to enter my password.
I also had huge problems with Win8 support on brand new hardware (mainly motherboard utilities and wireless N router/adaptors). A classic example: I couldn't get Windows to install a driver for my new N450 adaptor ... and Windows kept complaining it couldn't connect to the internet to find a new driver. Sigh. Or, when trying to install my Gigabyte motherboard software, its utility told me I was using WinXP and needed to upgrade to SP3!
It almost feels like Windows 8 isn't taken very seriously yet in the tech world.
I tried really really hard to use the Metro interface but it is just horrible. If I open an app it fills the screen with no visible way to close it (Escape doesn't work, that should be a no-brainer). If I install new software it creates gigantic tiles on the screen for every option (like run software, connect to website, run config tool, etc). There is no way to create groups or folders (subsections) on the metro interface, other than creating a new gigantic 2 columns. It's very hard to rearrange icons to how you want them, your only choice is left to right over 2 columns, top to bottom. It's just painful.
I ended up installing Classic Shell with a Start button/menu and boot to desktop. My main gripe now is that windows in the desktop look horrible. The Aero interface is gone so we have lost transparent surrounds and curved corners. Also I can't figure out how to get rid of the splashscreen that I have to click on login to enter my password.
I also had huge problems with Win8 support on brand new hardware (mainly motherboard utilities and wireless N router/adaptors). A classic example: I couldn't get Windows to install a driver for my new N450 adaptor ... and Windows kept complaining it couldn't connect to the internet to find a new driver. Sigh. Or, when trying to install my Gigabyte motherboard software, its utility told me I was using WinXP and needed to upgrade to SP3!
It almost feels like Windows 8 isn't taken very seriously yet in the tech world.
VitalyT
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Some of the trouble you've had were conveyed through Windows 8 Experience feedback, which resulted in certain changes in the upcoming Windows Blue (free update) that you may like:
1. Running metro applications on the desktop, inside a window.
2. Arranging metro icons in terms of size and grouping, plus sticking them together.
Start8 is the best software for that, with the price of $5 it is well worth it.
This is very subjective. Many people like the new look. It looks more basic because it doesn't add useless effects to it, rather makes it concise and clear.
There are many articles about it, if you just google for them. In essence, you don't really need to click on the splash screen at all, pressing Enter will work just fine.
This is why Microsoft offers Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant to run before the upgrade, so you can see in advance what to expect in terms of the drivers support and software compatibility.
Despite many complaints the Windows 8 is receiving, driver updates just take time, same as for previous OS updates. Considering how fresh the OS is, some drivers may still be in development. Anyway, it is the hardware manufacturers to blame for being slow on the driver updates, not Microsoft. MS has been known to tighten up security of drivers with each OS update, which is why drivers from Windows 7 may have issues.
Jad Chaar
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The energy saving optimization made to blue are very minimal. I think you would be interested in this if you have an iPad: http://www.splashtop.com/win8
TheBigFatClown
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Kind of like "Windows 7" already does.
Kind of like "Windows 7" already has.
Yeah, useless effects. Who wants effects in anything. I say we scrap the effects in video games too so that we can get more frames per second. I say developers target games should be games like pong. Pong is a pretty basic game. It's clear what the goal is, and it's concise. And think of the performance gains without those silly effects.
I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you but in the case of Windows 8, time will not heal all wounds. Windows 8 was a mistake, period. And Microsoft just can't see the writing on the wall.
VitalyT
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According to Intel, Haswell brings the biggest energy savings in one platform iteration ever. According to Microsoft, they make changes in Windows Blue to make use of those new energy saving features. If you put the two together, the total effect should be very good. And there is no information about how significant are the changes in Blue for that... Any link?
TheBigFatClown, to all the outright negativity about Windows 8 you're trying to impose on others here there is an old saying - "prejudice never shows much reason". And to quote Yoda - "Hate leads to suffering", that's where you're heading, young apprentice
cliffordcooley
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So does sitting back and letting others rail road you. So do you want to go down quietly or kicking and screaming?TheBigFatClown, to all the outright negativity about Windows 8 you're trying to impose on others here there is an old saying - "prejudice never shows much reason". And to quote Yoda - "Hate leads to suffering", that's where you're heading, young apprentice
VitalyT
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Check my avatar - do I look worried?
Jad Chaar
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That is advertising. Haswell will improve battery life no doubt, I didnt argue that. I just argued that Windows 8 Blue wont that much. I saw an article a few weeks back that showed the improvements from Blue. They were very minimal. I will try to find them for you.According to Intel, Haswell brings the biggest energy savings in one platform iteration ever. According to Microsoft, they make changes in Windows Blue to make use of those new energy saving features. If you put the two together, the total effect should be very good. And there is no information about how significant are the changes in Blue for that... Any link?
TheBigFatClown, to all the outright negativity about Windows 8 you're trying to impose on others here there is an old saying - "prejudice never shows much reason". And to quote Yoda - "Hate leads to suffering", that's where you're heading, young apprentice
I can't find the (1) you mentioned. As far as I know you'll only be able to open more than 2 apps with the snap-on feature (3 or 4) but not in windows.
Windows means you should be able to resize and reposition them where you want on the desktop (if developers want you to be able to do it) plus it should appear on the taskbar as a window.
Tell me if I'm wrong because there are way too many unconfirmed rumors.
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