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Microsoft has now made Windows 10 a 'recommended update' rather than an optional one

By midian182 ยท 60 replies
Feb 2, 2016
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  1. BrianMontanye

    BrianMontanye TS Booster Posts: 81   +53

    I didn't see it mentioned in this bait story but MS has said numerous times, the update will not be forced on anyone. The update itself will download but will not auto install like other MS updates, there has to be someone there to accept it or cancel it. Yes, it will be put in the recommended updates. No, you do not have to install it. Chill out with the chest pounding MS hate lol.
     
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  2. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,304   +1,753

    are you on the slow ring or the fast ring?
    if no update shows then you might have to manually download the "Media Creation Tool" from microsoft to create an USB or DVD install disk and upgrade that way.
    I also recommend you look for the last slow ring build as the newer ones have a few bugs (nothing really important, just minor annoyances) that need to be fixed. (I think it was build 10586)
     
  3. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,756   +1,490

    And programmers operate differently than gamesters.
    It's no chore to keep an OS fixed at some maintenance level, but the issue over time gets to be keeping a browser running and as current as possible. One day down the road, webpages stop functioning because the old browsers can't work with new javascript or html versions (like html5 enhancements).
     
  4. antiproduct

    antiproduct TS Addict Posts: 102   +87

    Ummm... If your argument is based on saying OS X and Linux don't have security issues and need lots of patches, then you're very wrong. All operating systems connected to the internet will have some sort of security vulnerabilities and will need patches. In the past year I've had to deal with a good number of compromised Linux machines because of the really bad vulnerabilities (shellshock and heartbleed were the worst) that were discovered and exploited . Apple has also had its fair share of vulnerabilities that it has needed to patch. Also, if your argument is about the "hundreds" of security updates(patches), Windows 10 is better at that by having just one big patch (not including Office patches) for the OS every month, which is also a roll-up patch for anyone who freshly installed Win 10.
    That being said, I'm still on Windows 7 for all my machines, even if I need to download 40 patches a month. I'm just partial to a more friendly and efficient UI (my personal preferences) and an OS that can run the most malware... err... I mean programs on.
    Also, this might be a relevant read for you (even if it is abut 2014):
    http://www.gfi.com/blog/most-vulnerable-operating-systems-and-applications-in-2014/
     
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  5. antiproduct

    antiproduct TS Addict Posts: 102   +87

    If it was progress, but IMO, just another insecure release of Windows. Funny how they keep saying each new release is more secure than the previous, yet still send out hundreds of security updates. You can stop the juggernaut if you switch to Apple (expensive) or to a free OS like Linux (Linux Mint with the MATE desktop). Unless you are doing something that only exists and can only run on Windows (e.g., Excel macros, maybe), you will find you can do all or most everything on Linux and for free.[/QUOTE]

    My response above was in reply to this. I think the quoting got messed up.
     
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  6. bazz2004

    bazz2004 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,585   +252

    Microsoft announced that Windows 10 would be their final OS and that changes would in future be incremental improvements. This doesn't seem to have been taken on board by those who can't accept the inevitable demise of Windows 7. Microsoft may well ramp up the price as an incentive.
     
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2016
  7. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,822   +3,215

    Porn and Anime are video files and have nothing to do with the operating system seeing as there will always be a video player on an OS. VLC player is the same on windows 7 and windows 10. You try so hard to twist the conversation into an unprotectable situation but in reality it's not even a possible scenario.

    If you cannot even come up with legitimate reasons why people reject windows 10 then you've been ignoring the comments and burying your head in the sand. Just because something works for you doesn't give you the right to force the same unto others.
     
  8. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,213   +4,882

    I'm not certain but I do think that the biggest reason is people are afraid to move forward. They fear the consequences of something going wrong during the upgrade, or the problems after the upgrade. A fear that is present because they have never done it before. Not that they are technically challenged, just that they feel if it is not broken why chance it.
     
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  9. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,953   +575

    Why is it even downloading? If you have a slow internet connection or if you have a small download cap, you have the right to control a 2+GB download.
     
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  10. Phr3d

    Phr3d TS Guru Posts: 404   +86

    In my case, it is because win10 purports to be a touch interface OS. As touch apparently has priority of 8, rather than keyboard of 13-ish, I find that my ability to interact is severely hampered by nearly Anything going on in the background (and unbeknownst to humble me) so that I have no idea if the command that I have given is simply taking too long to respond, or if it was lost entirely, I.e., opening 3 browser windows after some seconds of being bizzy and Not indicating (even though it did respond with the finger-circle, in some cases) that it has read my command and that it is simply too bizzy to respond instantly. I have trouble even Closing an app, many times. I chose to sample win10 as I wanted to have a large-screen touch computer for the family to use easily. Ignoring a possible outlier over Years of use, no iOS or Android touch interface has ever remotely had issues like this.

    If interaction is wonky, it is hard to get excited about 'features', 'security', or the 'new look'. I tried it, I found it wanting in its current evolution, please leave me alone until the next iteration - that is All we ask, and in my biased view, that doesn't seem like too much to ask.

    I, too, have run the script so I am no longer bothered by attempts to convince me to upgrade. I have erased the helpful download 8 times prior to researching how to stop that from happening. Good luck, all readers that find this all perfectly acceptable, if you Are in the industry you likely would have been encouraged to find alternative employment back in the 8 bit days, when wonky was not an admirable trait.
     
  11. infiltrator

    infiltrator TS Booster Posts: 171   +31

    And if you are one of those users that doesn't like how Microsoft do things with Windows 10. You can always install a Pfsense firewall and block everything that comes from MS or goes out from your PC back to MS...

    That's what I am going to be doing over next couple of months...... Once I get all my hardware together....
     
  12. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Evangelist Posts: 742   +273

    You have finally given into the dark side. :)

    People afraid to move forward?..I am sorry I can't buy that one. How about not wanting to be guinea pigs, how about wanting more control over their OS, how about comfort in what they already use, staying with something that is good.

    If anything Microsoft engages in a relentless campaign of fear on making people afraid to remain where they are. If I were a computer n00b I'd have upgraded to Windows 10 the day it was released for fear of the Chinese taking over my computer and destroying my life.

    Windows 7 is a great OS and unless you are a technology addict(like some in this thread) you don't need to keep upgrading your OS to keep up with technology. Let's face it people at some point in the game, the technology is going to slow down. Moore's Law is dead.

    I say let people choose, choice above all. But I do not like Microsoft's unrelenting "push" to Windows 10. If Windows 10 were all that they wouldn't have to push, in my opinion. It's not fear that holds me back necessarily. Unless you call the philosophy of "not burning all your bridges" or "not keeping all your eggs in one basket" a fear. I refer to it as common sense.
     
  13. Peter Farkas

    Peter Farkas TS Evangelist Posts: 339   +155

    LMAO!!!! Dude, enterprises are not getting the updates the same way you do. They manage which update they release in their environment and when. Noone can force any update on enterprises.
    Facepalm....
     
  14. Peter Farkas

    Peter Farkas TS Evangelist Posts: 339   +155

    Can't you turn off updates?
     
  15. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,213   +4,882

    I was reffering to the majority. You know the ones that wouldn't care one way or the other. The ones that will likely only move to Windows 10 with new equipment that has it pre-installed.
     
  16. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Evangelist Posts: 742   +273

    Makes sense. I'm just irritated at Microsoft again. I guess they have the right to recommend their own product to people. I need to be more like Doris Day. "Whatever will be, will be....". :)
     
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  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,709   +3,852

    This is the number of the "nagware" which M$ passed off (in the past anyway) as an "optional" update. KB-3035583

    If anyone doesn't like being nagged about Windows 10, simply remove it.

    As far as the "Automatic Updates" setting goes in Windows 7, if yours doesn't read, "Check for updates but let me decide when to download and install them", well that's just asking for trouble. On a trouble scale of one to 10, that would be a 10.
     
  18. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,953   +575

    Let me preface this with the statement that this issue does not affect me as I am aware of Win10's updating policy and I know how to disable updates.

    For non-tech savvy users, that's a nice afterthought after your 2 or 3 laptops download 2GB patches each on your 4G wireless connection to the internet and racks up a few hundred dollars in excess usage fees. Let's put this in perspective - people using these services are browsing facebook and youtube and are not downloading ISOs on their plans - until Microsoft surrepticiously does without permission.
     
  19. TorturedChaos

    TorturedChaos TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 821   +29

    I gave Win10 a try using VirtualBox, and became very frustrated with it when it flat out told me "no" when trying to install Pc Wizard. I didn't get an error or a warning - just NO, you can't do this. I believe the message I got was something along the lines of "the app you are trying to install is not comparable with this version of Windows. Click here for more info". The more info basicly said " for your safety you can't install this".
    I'm really glad I was just goofing around in an evaluation version otherwise I would be really pissed. If I buy .....well anything, I should be able to use it however I want to and if I break it or FUBAR it, well that's my own damn fault. Don't put me in a plastic bulb just because I might break the OS.
    For now I will stick to Linux at home and hope for the ability to ru. Adobe CC on Linux for work.
     
  20. bazz2004

    bazz2004 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,585   +252

    Give it another 6 months and you'll have the really big decision to make. Do I take my last chance to upgrade to W10 for free or pay for the OS at a future date?
     
  21. MarkHughes

    MarkHughes TS Addict Posts: 178   +89

    That's the thing, Why should she have to ? It does everything she needs perfectly well and will do so for many years yet.
     
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,709   +3,852

    OK Mark, I published the work around above in post# 42.

    IMHO, if you keep a competent AV program in force, and use Firefox as your browser, with the "NoScript" extension installed, you have nothing to fear by continuing to use the laptop with Windows 7. From here on out, you can decide to accept or reject M$ "security updates". You just have to read what the hell it is you're installing.

    M$ is baiting its users with this, "free Windows 10" crap, and you have the worst case of hook in mouth I've seen here.

    "Oh, my God, I'm going to have to throw away my girlfriend's laptop". NOT!
     
  23. bazz2004

    bazz2004 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,585   +252

    I don't have any recent hardware and Windows 10 is working well on three of my computers. That's not unusual. I like stuff to last and my XP machines still work OK although they are not upgradeable without hardware changes and buying a W10 licence. That's not going to happen. When they die it'll be a trip to the recycling centre.
     
  24. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,286

    In an ideal world it would be lovely. I myself would love to never have to upgrade my rig ever again but unfortunately it's not an ideal world. Fact: Tech is an unstoppable juggernaut. Fact: How would tech companies stay in business if someone only had to buy something only once? I could carry on for quite a lot longer but I'm sure you're getting the point.
     
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  25. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,286

    So, in a roundabout way you're trying hard not to imply they're "technically challenged" not so? ;)
     

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