Microsoft is making Windows 10 an automatic update next year

[Ranger1st]

Thankfully I'm running X Dark 5.2 and will never have to worry about this update BS.

 

[Revolution 11]

this is not about loving or hating the OS. you can dislike it, there are plenty of reasonable motives to not like win 10, but what I hate is people spewing BS and even intentionally lying about things.

we are moving towards a cloud only world people. learn to deal with it or you'll end up like one of those grampas people are making fun of in youtube videos.

as for the NSA part... tinfoil hat much? if they want your data they will get your data. MS doesn't even need to gather anything. you yourself will send it to them.

How the hell can you consider not liking the OS to be ok if you have a reasonable motive and then exclude data privacy or unwillingness to deal with the cloud as valid reasons?

Pretty arrogant of you to disregard consumer choice.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Pretty arrogant of you to disregard consumer choice.

Lets not point at Puiu, Apple and now Microsoft is holding that bull's eye.

 

[captaincranky]

They should make it FREE to Vista and XP to since we supported them for years

I think you have that backwards, at least with respect to XP. XP is so good, (still), that M$ couldn't get rid of it. Which means, that "support", (service packs & updates), were in the "loss column" for them., as they had to maintain staff to provide them, free of charge for damned near a dozen years!.

 

[Phr3d]

I moved the Real computer (this one) to Win7 - y'know, the Perfect OS? two years after it's introduction, and it wasn't willingly - I finally figured out that MS is moving standard, boring settings items around randomly to help the pitiful minority with tooo many neurons left to feel brilliant and empowered, since That is One thing that they can actually grasp and do so faster than their (me) elders. It encourages them to post the brilliance of the system (Vista, Win8 Win 8.1, Win10) that they can grasp immediately, as That is the Point, now.. NOT universal GUI improvements, but empowering leptons to feel superior because They Get It, as opposed to us lowly Hopeless people that have been using computers since their PC inception. Microsoft et al have Nothing to sell me or, honestly, anybody, but convincing the less jaded that their newfound knowledge of WHICH F'ING Settings menu the item I want to change is found, makes them feel helpful, and in some unfortunate cases, Superior. Oh how the mighty fall, chillen, because we were the ones that helped Microsoft, et al do it the first time, and -no doubt- we deserve all the thoughtless disrespect that you routinely give those 10 years your elder, as though you have a quark of a beginning of a clue. (my homage to Cranky - thanks for the laffs)

 

[TheBigFatClown]

we are moving towards a cloud only world people. learn to deal with it or you'll end up like one of those grampas people are making fun of in youtube videos.

as for the NSA part... tinfoil hat much? if they want your data they will get your data. MS doesn't even need to gather anything. you yourself will send it to them.

"we" are not moving towards a cloud only world, the big corporations are "pushing" people into it. I am learning to deal with this push. Here is how I deal with it:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=1140

Personal Cloud Storage, access to my data, anytime, anywhere. Windows 10 not required. Oops! Nice attempt at suggesting that it was though. Compatible all the way back to Vista and probably further with a few hacks and/or some tweaking.

Windows 7? Check!, Western Digital Personal Cloud NAS? Check! Looks like I am ready for the future.

 

[Puiu]

"we" are not moving towards a cloud only world, the big corporations are "pushing" people into it. I am learning to deal with this push. Here is how I deal with it:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=1140

Personal Cloud Storage, access to my data, anytime, anywhere. Windows 10 not required. Oops! Nice attempt at suggesting that it was though. Compatible all the way back to Vista and probably further with a few hacks and/or some tweaking.

Windows 7? Check!, Western Digital Personal Cloud NAS? Check! Looks like I am ready for the future.

That's clearly a good way of storing a data and more people should use it. (I have my own custom made external HDD that I use for backups and storage connected to my router).

But you can't chat/videochat with that or check your email or look at a map or watch a video from netflix, or listen to your music "legal" music. you still can't avoid connecting to other cloud services. right?

 

[captaincranky]

That's clearly a good way of storing a data and more people should use it. (I have my own custom made external HDD that I use for backups and storage connected to my router).

But you can't chat/videochat with that or check your email or look at a map or watch a video from netflix, or listen to your music "legal" music. you still can't avoid connecting to other cloud services. right?

You understand there's a big difference between being forced into the cloud via client applications such as Gmail, and voluntarily marching into the void on your own, er don't you? This is an argument "forward thinking people" such as yourself often make. As for "Netflix", being "mandatory, I'm gonna say it's for people who are too lazy to drive to Redbox. As for "legal music", I buy that on CD.

And speaking of CDs & DVDs, the creeps at RIAA / MPAA have probably had a hand in convincing you that "optical drives are obsolete". Therefore you must surrender to the cloud for music and movies.

As for video chatting, the cell phone has really elevated that to a new low. Now you can stream video of your junk instead of a simple, though massively tasteless, still photo.

So, run along and play, "my tablet is thinner than your tablet", with the first pack of wild 15 year olds you run into. Don't forget to make fun of us old farts while you're at it.(y)

 

[Evernessince]

I seriously still have no idea why people dislike win 10. it's 10 times better than win 7 or 8 on every front.

Do you also feel as if everyone has the same desires?

And no Windows 10 is not better on every front. MS Edge is still a joke in progress. I still don't know what to think about Cortana's early inception and lack of experience (aka: programming). I know this is a tad irrelevant but don't even get me started on why someone would need to use a third party vendor to replace MS's choice of applications. On that front you may be correct in saying better, but I say not enough to compete.

Wanting your machine to work (not reboot in the middle of your project) the way you want it to work has nothing to do with security concerns. I can't imagine why you would bring up a tin-foil hat over a conversation of wanting to turn automatic updates off. And no setting your connection to a metered connection is not a fix that is a lie. And if enough people take advantage of it, that will be the next thing Microsoft takes away as an option.

Just because a large portion of the population can't be bothered to manage their own machine doesn't mean I can't. I get offended every time MS assumes I can't. And quite frankly I think you should as well. But then with an elite group like MS making so many mistakes (or at least their PR paints it as a mistake ) here recently, I can certainly understand why they feel no one else is competent.

Nailed it. Microsoft seems to have an Apple complex and will continue stripping down windows unless users say something about it. Microsoft says windows 10 is for power users but then behind their back they make it harder to install 3rd party apps that replace their own or contain all the settings in one options menu. Windows 10 is still a two faced OS and you can see it in the remnants of the metro UI and the split control panel. Windows 10 is an operating system that tries to appease everyone but in the end steps on everyone's toes.

They should make it FREE to Vista and XP to since we supported them for years

I think you have that backwards, at least with respect to XP. XP is so good, (still), that M$ couldn't get rid of it. Which means, that "support", (service packs & updates), were in the "loss column" for them., as they had to maintain staff to provide them, free of charge for damned near a dozen years!.

At least you take an optimistic view of Microsoft's situation. XP was very good but I would say their absolute lack of any ambition to do anything with windows was the real driving factor behind XP sticking around so long. There was a good 8 years where they pretty much threw PC users the scraps while they tried to perfect the Xbox. There's even an article about Bill Gates being pissed at ballmer for virtually none of the xbox code making back into the windows operating system. When you have a CEO that doesn't care about your company's main product, like ballmer and nadella, of course you aren't going to see the same product. Being a guy from a huge cloud background, I expect nadella to push as much of windows online as possible while harvesting as much user data as possible. Next thing you know, all the basic windows applications like notepad and photoviewer require online login and an registry hack just so they won't collect "non-identifiable" data about everything that you do.

 

[darkfoxx]

So what happens after the year of windows 10 being a free upgrade? Or does this mean win10 will always be a free update for those with win7?

Nothing that comes from Microsoft is totally free. If I am not wrong, you will have to purchase the Windows 10 license after the 1 year free period is over.

yea if you haven't upgraded by then so what? they were open about that. Its free for those that upgraded.

 

[darkfoxx]

People who have auto updates on are probably in need of someone telling them what to do on pc anyways. If you have auto updates on anything you're pretty bad. You always do research before updating to the newest thing. If you don't, that can lead to glitched software and some occasions broken hardware due to over heating or bricking something. Companies always break things to fix other things.

 

[cliffordcooley]

People who have auto updates on are probably in need of someone telling them what to do on pc anyways.

I hope you realize that is everyone with Windows 10.

 

[Camikazi]

All you have to do is hide the update, turn off automatic updates, and your all set, you can still not download it and upgrade if you don't want to. *face palm*

You can't turn off automatic updates, not even in professional edition. The updates will still download and schedule a reboot. Your manual adjustment to automatic updates is manually setting a reboot schedule and even then you are limited as to the options that are available. There is no turning automatic updates off.

On Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 you very much can disable auto updates and that is what they were getting at in order to hide the Windows 10 upgrade.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I'm looking at a future version of this problem, which no one seems to care about. If you think it is bad now, wait till you no longer have the option. If we don't have the balls to man up and tell MS enough is enough with automatic updating in Windows 10, what gives us the right to complain about automatic updating in Windows 7? It's the same topic yet worse in Windows 10.

 

[captaincranky]

What OS are you running? In Vista and 7 you can choose to check for updates but you need to approve to download them or even not checking for updates at all. Idk what options XP has, but if you are still running XP in 2015 then you have problems...

Well, you must be new at this, and why on earth would I have problems running running XP in 2015. The only reason I can think of off the top of my head, is because M$ told me I was going to have problems, because they wanted to sell me a newer OS.

So, if you only have one computer, and it's the god you pray to, then I suppose you would believe XP today would be a problem.

The real problem is, "one OS across all platforms", is something I see as a big problem for consumers, and the best thing that could possibly happen for M$ itself. Here's why. If they ram 10 down everyone's throat, then they only need to issue patches for ONE OS, instead of the half dozen which need attention now. That seems like it would cut way down on labor costs.

And now a cautionary, "once upon a time story". Way back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, a retail copy of XP Pro, was worth close to $300.00.

So now, it seems like M$ wants to give a more capable product away for nothing. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Once they've stripped you of all your 7 & 8 bought and paid for licenses, there's absolutely nothing in the world to stop them from migrating to a subscription based distribution

Use your f***ing head, Bill Gates became the richest man in the world SELLING Windows. So now, you think Natella is going to give this s*** away forever?.

 

[darkfoxx]

I hope you realize that is everyone with Windows 10.

nope, mine isnt on, I have to check for updates if I want to update and my windows defender isnt on and doesnt come back on when I restart my pc. I use windows tweaker.

 

[Dex4Sure]

And on a completely unrelated note, Google has all but confirmed their going to combine ChromeOS and Android, and that it will be available for testing on PCs next year.

If I had Microsoft stock I'd be dumping it.

No offense bud, but ChromeOS is not serious competitor to Windows. Google believes in cloud storage and power users do not. End of story. As long as they keep introducing their toy OS and do not make it local and power user friendly - I'll keep far away from it. Android on phones is another thing, on desktops and high end laptops its totally different story. Windows has huge edge on that area, just as big of advantage as Android has on mobile market.

 

[deemon]

And on a completely unrelated note, Google has all but confirmed their going to combine ChromeOS and Android, and that it will be available for testing on PCs next year.

If I had Microsoft stock I'd be dumping it.

Will it Vulkan?

 

[Someone8MyPosts]

Microsoft - Forcing whatever pet project we're currently on down your throats.

It's just a shame they always do it off the back of their very few successful products. Let's face it, Microsoft has done nothing innovative since Bill Gates left.

Lets see, Cortana, Same OS across all devices, Holo Lense, XBOX One integration and streaming, the whole 9 Billion dollar surface program, the new Surface book laptop, I can keep going...

Nope nothing new since Bill left... LMAO!

None of these do I own, use or what to own/use. Next?

 

[Someone8MyPosts]

All you have to do is hide the update, turn off automatic updates, and your all set, you can still not download it and upgrade if you don't want to. *face palm*

Mhmm.... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2983...10-your-pc-may-have-downloaded-it-anyway.html

 

[darkfoxx]

No offense bud, but ChromeOS is not serious competitor to Windows. Google believes in cloud storage and power users do not. End of story. As long as they keep introducing their toy OS and do not make it local and power user friendly - I'll keep far away from it. Android on phones is another thing, on desktops and high end laptops its totally different story. Windows has huge edge on that area, just as big of advantage as Android has on mobile market.

yea, saying chrome os is a competitor to windows is like saying android phone os is a serious competitor to windows (its that laughable).

 

[darkfoxx]

Will it Vulkan?

I heard vulkan and mantle were canceled. I dont know personally but I hear people saying it quite a bit.

 

[Evernessince]

I heard vulkan and mantle were canceled. I dont know personally but I hear people saying it quite a bit.

Yeah, Mantle was canceled. It was really only created to get Microsoft to do something so if it worked, it's no longer needed. It's really a good thing for AMD as they already have such limited resources.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Vulcan was canceled, who killed Spock?

 

[darkfoxx]

Yeah, Mantle was canceled. It was really only created to get Microsoft to do something so if it worked, it's no longer needed. It's really a good thing for AMD as they already have such limited resources.

I really wish amd was more relevant compared to intel they just have not been leap-frogging each other in the past 5 years when it comes to new tech especially with processors. Used to, intel would make something good, then amd would make something comparable.