Microsoft says Windows 11 is 2x faster, except they used ancient PCs to benchmark Windows 10

[LimyG]

Well, they didn't ACTUALLY measure it.........they just asked some wonderful AI what IT thought.....

Yeah, that's a good point. Hadn't crossed my mind, but their A.I. is so superb, beyond reproach, that I tend to agree. I wonder if the clever people in I.T. who likely helped create the godlike A.I. are having second thoughts.

I mean they may have made themselves obsolete. They may have caused the loss of their very own jobs by offering GOD, I mean A.I. to replace them?

 

[Liranan]

Just some screen captions from a YouTube video that made a benchmark of the different versions of the OS(on the same hardware).

Not only is LTSC faster due to spyware being disabled but it's also far more secure and will expire in 2030. Hopefully Linux will have come so far by then that I can switch to Mint, which I use on my server, laptop and VM's. The only thing holding me back is gaming.

 

[GeoffreyA]

If MS had any insight, they would give people what is wanted---an XP or 7 for the 2020s---and their product would be a success. Instead, they try to force onto people what they want. It happened with Vista and 8, and the cycle repeats. Judging from history, Windows 12 will be a big improvement, but MS has to go through the 11 phase till it dawns on them, if it hasn't already done so, that people don't like it.

 

[LimyG]

If MS had any insight, they would give people what is wanted---an XP or 7 for the 2020s---and their product would be a success. Instead, they try to force onto people what they want. It happened with Vista and 8, and the cycle repeats. Judging from history, Windows 12 will be a big improvement, but MS has to go through the 11 phase till it dawns on them, if it hasn't already done so, that people don't like it.

Nicely put.

The real bummer is forcing of stuff=bloat.

Fully agree with you.

 

[candle86]

A person that uses their computer for browsing the internet and other light task don't need to buy a new computer and Microsoft shouldn't expect them to spend hundreds of dollars just to update their operating system. A slighter faster browser experience isn't worth hundreds of dollars to those people.

I have an extra older computer that doesn't have a TPMS so I can't install Windows 11 on it, but I am going to put Bazzite on it and keep using it as a living room gaming computer.


Yes also this, if it wasn't measured it's just perception which can be wrong.

You're not the average consumer The Enterprise makes up the largest chunk and they already upgrade every three to five years because of warranty, then you got your standard home user that as far as the homework it goes they make up about 92%, The enthusiast crowd like me and you were 8%. They don't care what you do.

 

[Loadedaxe]

It's not though, the average consumer will buy a new Windows 11 computer but only if they think it's faster. No windows 11 computers came new with the 8700k nor 10 computers with 12700k, for the layman this is standard marketing and acceptable behavior.

.....and that’s part of what makes the conversation around Windows 11 murky. In most industries, comparing new software on new hardware is standard practice because it’s about showcasing the best case scenario.

The nuance here is that Microsoft’s messaging can sometimes imply causation when there’s really just correlation. Sure, Windows 11 might feel snappier on a shiny new machine, but that’s not a fair comparison unless you isolate the variable, run both Windows 10 and 11 on the same system and see what changes. Normal marketing? Yes. But that does not make it true.

Marketing leans on perception. Technical folks want empirical evidence. The real tension here is when those two worlds collide. These folks here on TS, are technical.

Is there anything wrong with MS marketing, really no. No one is going to buy a W11 PC with old hardware, so point is moot.

 

[candle86]

.....and that’s part of what makes the conversation around Windows 11 murky. In most industries, comparing new software on new hardware is standard practice because it’s about showcasing the best case scenario.

The nuance here is that Microsoft’s messaging can sometimes imply causation when there’s really just correlation. Sure, Windows 11 might feel snappier on a shiny new machine, but that’s not a fair comparison unless you isolate the variable, run both Windows 10 and 11 on the same system and see what changes. Normal marketing? Yes. But that does not make it true.

Marketing leans on perception. Technical folks want empirical evidence. The real tension here is when those two worlds collide. These folks here on TS, are technical.

Is there anything wrong with MS marketing, really no. No one is going to buy a W11 PC with old hardware, so point is moot.

Which is why it's even more amusing that anybody's wanting to comment on this because the market is not targeted to us targeted at the consumer that it matters.

 

[Loadedaxe]

Which is why it's even more amusing that anybody's wanting to comment on this because the market is not targeted to us targeted at the consumer that it matters.

agreed.

 

[lonetac]

Win 11 is garbage in the UI. You want to claim its faster? Open up windows explorer. It takes forever. Win 10 didnt suffer from these issues. Put these two side by side and simply click the little folder button. Win 11 has a long delay before anything happens. Win 10 was responsive.

I dont have problems running games on win 11 but trying to use it for work is painfully slow. Everything takes forever. Click a button and just wait.

Its not a hardware issue, Im running a top of the line pc (Im an enthusiast) and maintain it meticulously.

 

[IksPiks]

How did you measure this and what were the specific results?

Probably just the effect of a clean install... Most people pump their rigs full of junk for years, and then, with a fresh install, the junk is gone.

 

[MiqWalsh]

Last Windows I used was XP. At EOL in 2014, I switched to Linux. Never looked back.

When I bought my current HP Pavilion a month before the pandemic hit - Feb '20 - Win 10 never even got launched. It was immediately nuked.....with EXTREME prejudice.

Any kind of benchmark - for whatever reason - has to be conducted on identical hardware. Otherwise, it just makes a mockery of the entire process.....and you cannot believe a thing that's published.

(I also run 'Puppy' Linux on a 2012-era Dell Latitude E6430 with a Haswell i5, 16 GB DDR3, a mobile Nvidia NVS-5200M and a 480GB Crucial BX500. Darned thing absolutely screams.....and will give any version of Windows a good run for its money. If I want summat different, I'll run ChromeOS-Flex on here from a thumb drive; believe it or not, it's on the official "supported" list...)

Yeah, you guessed it. I am NOT a 'tech-head'. I'm no green warrior, either, but I do love running older gear.....just to see what it's still capable of (with often very surprising results).

Miq.

 

[LimyG]

Probably just the effect of a clean install... Most people pump their rigs full of junk for years, and then, with a fresh install, the junk is gone.

This is a very good point. It sounds simple and obvious, but in the context of this thread easily overlooked. Thank you for adding your comment. Spot on!

 

[GTvon]

Last Windows I used was XP. At EOL in 2014, I switched to Linux. Never looked back.

When I bought my current HP Pavilion a month before the pandemic hit - Feb '20 - Win 10 never even got launched. It was immediately nuked.....with EXTREME prejudice.

Any kind of benchmark - for whatever reason - has to be conducted on identical hardware. Otherwise, it just makes a mockery of the entire process.....and you cannot believe a thing that's published.

(I also run 'Puppy' Linux on a 2012-era Dell Latitude E6430 with a Haswell i5, 16 GB DDR3, a mobile Nvidia NVS-5200M and a 480GB Crucial BX500. Darned thing absolutely screams.....and will give any version of Windows a good run for its money. If I want summat different, I'll run ChromeOS-Flex on here from a thumb drive; believe it or not, it's on the official "supported" list...)

Yeah, you guessed it. I am NOT a 'tech-head'. I'm no green warrior, either, but I do love running older gear.....just to see what it's still capable of (with often very surprising results).

Miq.

Exactly and when I made my upgrade I changed only the operating system and all the hardware stayed exactly the same. That was how I knew that changing windows to 11 improved the computer performance on my system.