Microsoft is removing the ability to easily install Windows 11 with a local account

[Burty117]

I'm not criticising Linux or macOS. Each is excellent in its own right and works well. Mint, for one, is a polished and practical alternative. The problem is one of preference: when one is used to a certain OS and metaphor, switching to another doesn't feel ideal. Indeed, Microsoft, trying to change what Windows is, doesn't understand this or chooses not to.

If something went wrong with tea worldwide, tea-drinkers would feel a loss switching to coffee, nor does it help when the coffee-drinkers tell them to do so because coffee is obviously better.

So that's it? End of story? Microsoft either makes Windows good, or everyone just holds onto end-of-life insecure Windows OS's forever more?

Also, it's nothing like Tea vs Coffee, It's more like driving different brands of car, handbrake, gear selector, indicators, cruise control etc... can be in different places across the manufacturers, but they all ultimately do the same thing.

Tea vs Coffee would be a desktop OS vs a mobile OS, they work very differently, but in this case, the vast majority just use their desktop to store pictures and browse the web. Turning a computer on and browsing using Windows vs Mint, there's very little that's even different, it just looks different, just like moving to different Windows OS's anyway.

 

[GeoffreyA]

So that's it? End of story? Microsoft either makes Windows good, or everyone just holds onto end-of-life insecure Windows OS's forever more?

Also, it's nothing like Tea vs Coffee, It's more like driving different brands of car, handbrake, gear selector, indicators, cruise control etc... can be in different places across the manufacturers, but they all ultimately do the same thing.

Tea vs Coffee would be a desktop OS vs a mobile OS, they work very differently, but in this case, the vast majority just use their desktop to store pictures and browse the web. Turning a computer on and browsing using Windows vs Mint, there's very little that's even different, it just looks different, just like moving to different Windows OS's anyway.

Not end of story. Many can't or won't upgrade to 11. For the time being, at least three years if adopting the Luffy approach, the ESU programme lets people use 10. This is quite practical. When that time is up, or the increasing loss of application support becomes too much, the alternatives are the latest version of Windows, which has a chance of improving, judging from history, or Linux or macOS.

Both beverages and cars bring out the point I'm trying to make: that one uses something one likes or is comfortable with. "I like Chevrolet; she likes Nissan; I can't force her to like Chevy when her Nissan breaks down." I concede that "for most" (an unfortunate wording in my first post; should have used "for many"), the difference between Mint and Windows won't make a difference, as long as there's a browser and computing essentials. I disagree that tea vs. coffee would be desktop vs. mobile: that's a bigger difference, whereas I'm saying that two things can be similar in function but one may have a preference and feel not quite happy; it is not ideal.

This becomes clearer if we ask, for the sake of argument, macOS and Linux users to switch to Windows.

 

[candle86]

This will make computer repair much more difficult, as repair techs will either need the customers Microsoft credentials or the setup will be incomplete.

Techs may be forced to install windows 10 with a local account and then upgrade to 11 from there to be able to complete a windows setup. Or techs can use a temporary account to finish the setup, then remove the account and switch to a local account after installation is completed.


It's just such a bad idea to force online logins when the OS still fails to pick up a lot of drivers automatically, meaning the setup can't be completed without going into the OS after it's fully installed.

No as a Tech this isn't an issue at all, for my enterprise enviroment we already use intune, for the home people I fix on the side I have a bootable image that's been sysprepped, I can then login to it, setup drivers, run updates ect, then sysprep it again and turn it over to the owner to do the OOBE or setup a local account for them and skip OOBE, its a big nothing burger unless I guess your a geek squad worker, but those aren't really techs.

 

[axiomatic13]

All I care about this issue is that it's screwing up DDU. Now Nvidia will have to put on their big boy pants and make their installer more adequate? (unlikely) Or they should just buy Guru3d and reward them for their great work and cleaning up Nvidia's bull$hit for the last eon.

 

[bandit8623]

Time to beat the Linux drum

Bazzite all summer, not going back. Linux is so capable these days. I have native shotcut, blender and even UE5 runs native. For the mandatory work stuff I run the browser MS office and remote desktop to my work laptop. All my games work via steam/proton, wine and so forth.

There’s no nagging, hidden adds or adobe traps. No account required.

if I didnt like valorant I would use linux as well. stupid root kits!

 

[dualkelly]

only an id1ot would keep using 10 after October.

lol I am running windows 10 ltsc which technically has support until January 13, 2032 however I have modded it so that it can not communicate in anyway with microsoft. every single Microsoft ip is blocked in a hostfile and blocked on a hostfile on the router. no windows update. no security center. no windows defender and most of all no stupid windows app store that blows chunks. I browse behind two firewalls and a vpn. I am not worried about it and wont ever install the security nightmare of windows 11 with its constant screen shot recording that for now you can turn off but it can turn on anytime it wants to. Thanks but no thanks. I dual boot into linux and have along with a xp machine and a 7 machine never once had any issues.

 

[Gezzer]

Here's the thing, security issues are not all the same. Many if not most require a very specific set of circumstances to be a threat. Often it's physical access to the system or network. Other times it's very edge case proof of concept flaws, like using desk vibrations or other really hard to implement methods.

That's not to say that serious security issues don't and/or won't exist for Win10 after it reaches EOL. Just that the majority of home users won't have to worry unless the do something really stupid, like not using a NAT enabled router/gateway, or not changing their settings from the default, not using 2FA, or banking/shopping on any OS that is no longer getting security updates, that's what Linux is for.

Enterprise customers OTOH do need to take security seriously and not taking whatever steps needed, like extended support or upgrading systems could be a mistake they soon regret. IMHO it all boils down to how tempting a target any system is. Most hackers prefer to go after low hanging fruit unless there's a major pay off for their efforts. A lot of home users simply aren't on their radar.

 

[trents]

I just install with my microsoft account, immediately create a second "local" account with admin privileges and then delete the microsoft account.