TheBigFatClown
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So you bought a Microsoft phone and now you want Microsoft's competitor to make your phone experience better...okay then...
Microsoft launches YouTube app, Google demands it taken down
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So you bought a Microsoft phone and now you want Microsoft's competitor to make your phone experience better...okay then...
cliffordcooley
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Your looking the wrong direction. Microsoft made the experience better in this instance. It is Microsoft's competitors that are complaining about the experience is side stepping their ads. Re-configuring the apps to include ads will only worsen the experience not make it better.So you bought a Microsoft phone and now you want Microsoft's competitor to make your phone experience better...okay then...
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Totally agree
Vrmithrax
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See, that's the mentality I don't get. Google OWNS YouTube, and make no mistake about it, they are a business. The ads in YouTube do provide Google with profit, but at the base level they also help pay for the massive hosting costs associated with all of that video content, comment system, etc. I don't see this as bullying, I see this as Google defending its property against a huge company who is trying to skirt the basic rules to make their product look better to consumers. All at the expense of Google, I might add. This isn't Google "doing evil" as some have implied - this is Google defending themselves. Would you rather Google just rolled over and took it? Sets a very dangerous precedent there, and opens the door to massive potential abuses. Unless you really don't care if YouTube folds and goes away? Don't delude yourself, if Google finds that YouTube has become a money pit, they will pull the plug and move on. That's business.
The bottom line is this: while I agree with Chazz and others that this is really all just a pissing match between 2 mega-powerhouse corporations, the fact is that Google owns YouTube, and can set whatever requirements they feel is proper to protect their investment and expenses. That puts Google in the right, and Microsoft in the wrong on this topic, plain and simple. As I said before, if Microsoft doesn't like it, they can go out and spend billions to make their own competing video hosting system, then do whatever they want with it.
But, how can they make that argument when they suggest that those same users go to m.youtube.com. A site that uses HTML5; and as such, doesn't support Advertising in the way youtube does advertising. They will get ZERO advertising dollars regardless. I'd agree with you if this wasn't the case.
Tygerstrike
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It really doesnt matter IF Google wants to play nice with MS. Microsoft is useing a Google owned property to make sales. MS is kinda boned here. For every min that goes by that MS has that app up, Google is loosing a set amount of advertising revenue. Also tack on to it that MS is useing Youtube as a draw for the phone w/o Googles express consent. This could impact MS heavily. The legal ramifications could have MS paying a very very large sum of cash to Google. It gets worse for MS for every day that goes by. Since there was a C and D letter from Google, everytime that app is downloaded puts that much more cash into Googles coffers. Its Kinda sad that MS had to resort to this level of BS.
Except google will have to prove these damages. I don't think there is a version of youtube(including Google's website) that supports ads on windows phone. I'm quite sure they can argue about trademarks, but that's easily fixed.
I mean, I'm no lawyer but I do know one thing. Microsoft has good ones, I think theres something that they know/see that we don't. No corporation would just do **** illegally if they felt they couldn't. See: YouTube as the prime example of this. Record companies/news companies absolutely hate youtube. Their content is being displayed without their permission every second. Google does it anyways, and wants to fight it in court. I don't think any of us here have the legal expertise that these big companies have. We'll see what happens in the next few months.
Tygerstrike
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Chazz
Actually it would be easy for Google to prove any damages lost due to no ad revenue. All they would have to provide is how many "ad clicks" they recieve in any 1 min section of time. Yes Google could inflate this number, but normally there would be a auditor assigned to gather that information.
Actually it would be easy for Google to prove any damages lost due to no ad revenue. All they would have to provide is how many "ad clicks" they recieve in any 1 min section of time. Yes Google could inflate this number, but normally there would be a auditor assigned to gather that information.
Vrmithrax
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Well, I never said it had to make sense... But, YouTube is Google's property, and they have every right to govern how it is used. If a direct competitor wants to use their property, they need to follow whatever rules have been laid down. Doesn't really matter if we like it, or even agree with Google's stance... It's just business.
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Well Microsoft should suck it up. See this is what happens when you step on someones toe. Google is sore probably about all those stupid bing ads. Now they want to get Microsoft back. Kudos to them.
coppersloane
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Google are the new evil empire. Everything they do is either offensive, intrusive, or cheap. They ripped off the iPhone so blatantly Steve Jobs devoted his last days to fighting them legally. They put vans and cameras everywhere, recording our every move. They create Glass, their most advanced (that we know of) invention to monitor our private lives. They create a search app for Windows 8, RT, et al... and yet, when another company tries to create an app to support one of their own entities, they throw a fit.
I despise them with a passion.
I despise them with a passion.
ReederOnTheRun
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I don't think a lot of people understand what wrong here. Google has no problem with them making a youtube app. They just don't want the ads removed and videos openly downloadable because that is how they make money. Those ads that everyone is complaining about is what helps fund ALL of google's free services. And even if they didn't need the ads for money flow, they still clearly stated in the usage terms that app developers can use youtube, as long as they don't strip the ads and make videos downloadable. Regardless of their reasons, they still own youtube and have a right to tell people how they can use it.
Sure their are other services you can use to strip the ads and download videos anyways, but that doesn't make it right. Microsoft doing this to Google would be analogous to Google releasing their own cracked version of Windows 8 and making a statement like this:
"Windows 8 is consistently a top OS downloaded by computer users, but Microsoft has refused to work with us to develop an Google OS on par with Windows 8. Since we updated Windows 8 with Google services and made it free to ensure our mutual customers a similar Windows experience, ratings and feedback have been overwhelmingly positive. We?d be more than happy to include Windows services in the OS in the future, if Microsoft cooperates better. In light of Larry Page?s comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers."
Sure their are other services you can use to strip the ads and download videos anyways, but that doesn't make it right. Microsoft doing this to Google would be analogous to Google releasing their own cracked version of Windows 8 and making a statement like this:
"Windows 8 is consistently a top OS downloaded by computer users, but Microsoft has refused to work with us to develop an Google OS on par with Windows 8. Since we updated Windows 8 with Google services and made it free to ensure our mutual customers a similar Windows experience, ratings and feedback have been overwhelmingly positive. We?d be more than happy to include Windows services in the OS in the future, if Microsoft cooperates better. In light of Larry Page?s comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers."
Randomthom
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This story is the straw that's broken the camel's back for me, I'm currently going through the process of changing all my emails to go to a non-gmail account and will then close my google accounts. Not sure about using chrome, I like it as software but I might ditch it too...
ReederOnTheRun
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In 2012, about 95% of Google's total revenue came from ads [1]. They literally need them to stay afloat and continue to offer all of their costumers so many great, free products (not to mention the free internet they are rolling out with Google Fiber) [2]. Microsoft is trying to become competitive by basically stealing the ad revenue straight from Google. Of course Microsoft wants it to be a completely ad free service with instant free downloads, it's not even their product. If Microsoft got away with this, it would set a new standard that anyone can completely disregard Google's terms of use, leading to a massive drop in Google's revenue. Then Google could possibly have to compensate by directly charging money to use youtube or charge for some other service.
Microsoft needs to do everyone a favor and just develop their own products to bring in customers, not cheat and sabotage legitimately decent companies.
[1] http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
[2] https://fiber.google.com/about/
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RH00D
So what you're saying is Windows Phone users should just use m.youtube.com where there is also zero ads? That will definitely bring back that missing add revenue! Genius.
ReederOnTheRun
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captaincranky
Posts: 20,423 +9,389
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This comes as a surprise to you, why exactly?
Archean
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It is a good app TBH, prefer to clunky experience android app offered, and I don't see why MS and Google can't work to sort this out, unless ........
Probably, Google is starting to see that WP is taking root in some markets, so they are trying to stifle what little momentum it has gained.
Qualitatively speaking, comparing iOS/WP with Android is like comparing a Rolls Royce Phantom with an Alpha Romeo (put model number here). Since, the RR will always work with at most ease and effortlessness, reliability, and smooth performance, whereas the Alpha works only for periods of times, and for the rest, you are left with a car which may frustrates at most unexpected times.
Probably, Google is starting to see that WP is taking root in some markets, so they are trying to stifle what little momentum it has gained.
Qualitatively speaking, comparing iOS/WP with Android is like comparing a Rolls Royce Phantom with an Alpha Romeo (put model number here). Since, the RR will always work with at most ease and effortlessness, reliability, and smooth performance, whereas the Alpha works only for periods of times, and for the rest, you are left with a car which may frustrates at most unexpected times.
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RH00D
That's interesting. I just watched the exact same video on my Windows Phone and desktop PC and only the Windows Phone m.youtube.com one didn't have an ad.
ReederOnTheRun
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Do you know what a Roadblock ad is? http://www.google.com/think/products/mobile-ads-roadblock.html
After looking at that, Google "youtube mobile showing skippable ads" and tell me what you see.
All of the other youtube apps have ads. Google is not just showing ads to spite the masses; they actually need money to keep doing what they do. Businesses need money to run. Weird how that works, I know.
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