Microsoft now blocks Windows 7 and 8.1 updates on Kaby Lake, Ryzen systems

[MadCityObserver]

As if I needed an additional reason to never upgrade to Windows 10.

 

[turismozilla]

It's like they like being sued or something.

 

[Kaj Hansen]

Except that Microsoft sold windows 7 and 8 with 10 years of security update. That's part of the lisence, and now that are refusing to honor that promise.

Windows 8.1 still has 6 years of security updates left. Anybody who bought windows 8.1 four years ago and wants a new processor has to give up over half of the support they bought.

This move is purely a greed filled money grab to force users to buy windows 10. I'm sure it's going to backfire PR wise, and may slow down the purchase of new hardware on top of said hardware offering only negligible benefit from five year old platforms.

Not supporting new features on old software is one thing. MS refusing to patch windows 7 and windows 8 to benefit from AMD's new features makes sense, as both are out of the feature update windows. But to refuse SECURITY PATCHES on older software running on newer hardware? There is no technical reason to do that. That move is going to piss off end users, and business users who are still running windows 7, and are basically being told they are not allowed to buy any new hardware for the next three years to run the OS they bought from MS, until they fork overs loads of cash to MS for the newest version, even though their is no technical reason the new hardware cant run 7. Especially places like hospitals, banks, and schools that have to support old software that vendors wont update until the last minute are all going to pitch a fit over this move.

You bought Windows 7/8 for existing hardware at the time... which did NOT include Ryzen or Kaby Lake... Windows 7/8 are still supported for the EXISTING hardware that you installed it on.

Once you bought a new CPU, you no longer have any right to Windows 7/8 support on the new hardware! And OEM licenses are only Windows 10 now so chances are, your new PC (which the vast majority of users with Ryzen and Kaby Lake will have) will simply come with Windows 10 anyways.

It's not like MS is using this "evil business practice" to shut out the competition either... Windows 7 and Windows 8 are also made by MS!!

It's like an alarm company selling you an alarm system for your apartment... you love it - it works great, came with 10 years of support... but then you move into a new house... the alarm company says, we have a new system for you now - your old one isn't sufficient for the new house, but here's a FREE one that works for you! It's not exactly the same - has some new features, has an interface you might not be used to....but if you do a bit of research, you can make this system work almost exactly the same way your old one did,,,

Or... you can use your old alarm system in your new house - no more support - but hey, some people roll that way

in that brilliant analogy, those so called features would be:

We now have cameras in your house were the information we gather can be used for commercial purposes. Or we can just watch you do your private stuff at home because that's part of the new UELA.

Advertising in your new interface instead of security info.

When burglars show up the security system might not work because of remote updates to our system whenever is convenient for us...

 

[OcelotRex]

As if I needed an additional reason to never upgrade to Windows 10.

 

[Ascaris]

You do know or realize that Intel and AMD agree to this. Hell Intel and MS were talking about this for the 6th gen.

AMD agreed with it so much that the Ryzen chipset driver for Win 7x64 is out right now!

Restricting the new CPUs to Windows 10 stands to increase sales of Windows 10 and decrease sales of the new CPUs. Tell me, which of the following would, under normal circumstances, be okay with that? (Microsoft, AMD, Intel).

 

[Ascaris]

Intel and AMD work closely with Microsoft to ensure their products work optimally. Your stance that Microsoft should "stay out of it" and are"dishonorable" doesn't take into consideration the performance stability and gains from the close relationship.

If the user chooses to run a suboptimal configuration, MS should not sabotage the installation by artificially denying further updates. If it is really suboptimal, that in itself should be enough reason not to run such a configuration. Artificial prohibitions aren't necessary if what MS is saying is true... they're only necessary if MS is once again lying through its teeth about the alleged incompatibility. It's especially true given that AMD has in fact released Win 7 drivers for Ryzen...

 

[OcelotRex]

If the user chooses to run a suboptimal configuration, MS should not sabotage the installation by artificially denying further updates. If it is really suboptimal, that in itself should be enough reason not to run such a configuration. Artificial prohibitions aren't necessary if what MS is saying is true... they're only necessary if MS is once again lying through its teeth about the alleged incompatibility. It's especially true given that AMD has in fact released Win 7 drivers for Ryzen...

Ah I see someone forgot to read the article. It's in the first paragraph:

Despite Microsoft, Intel and AMD all stating that current generation processor platforms, namely Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Ryzen, are not supported on operating systems earlier than Windows 10, these latest parts do actually work on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.

You were saying something about AMD supporting Windows 7 and Ryzen?

AMD: Sorry, there will be no official Ryzen drivers for Windows 7

AMD confirmed that it has tested and validated Ryzen on Windows 7, but that it won’t officially support the OS. It puts to rest the suggestion of a recent translated report from Computerbase that AMD would reverse its stance and ship Windows 7 drivers for Ryzen.

“To achieve the highest confidence in the performance of our AMD Ryzen desktop processors (formerly code-named ‘Summit Ridge’), AMD validated them across two different OS generations, Windows 7 and 10,” AMD said in a statement in response to a question from PCWorld. “However, only support and drivers for Windows 10 will be provided in AMD Ryzen desktop processor production parts.”

 

[hahahanoobs]

If you're buying new hardware to use with old software, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Ascaris]

Ah I see someone forgot to read the article. It's in the first paragraph:
You were saying something about AMD supporting Windows 7 and Ryzen?

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx

 

[Raiderman]

Ah I see someone forgot to read the article. It's in the first paragraph:
You were saying something about AMD supporting Windows 7 and Ryzen?

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx

Can anyone say Face palm!

 

[OcelotRex]

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx

So amd is lying and is deceitful? Not Microsoft and Intel? Seems like either that's a mistake or they lied to pcworld. Either way your fanboi is showing.

 

[Raiderman]

So amd is lying and is deceitful? Not Microsoft and Intel? Seems like either that's a mistake or they lied to pcworld. Either way your fanboi is showing.

LMAO, enjoy kool-aid much? Microsoft never lies, or is deceitful. The whole Windows 10 campaign is full of it.
At any rate, your Microsoft fanboi is showing.

 

[Raiderman]

If you're buying new hardware to use with old software, you're doing it wrong.

So, buying new hardware to use in between new Windows OS versions, is doing it wrong? Pffft

 

[Ascaris]

So amd is lying and is deceitful? Not Microsoft and Intel? Seems like either that's a mistake or they lied to pcworld. Either way your fanboi is showing.

What am I a fanboi of? I can't really figure out what I'm supposed to be fanboi'ing here by deflecting your snarky "someone didn't read the article" when I said that AMD had a driver for Ryzen and 7.

 

[Erik Vianna]

When everyone switched over to Windows Vista I was happy with Windows XP x64, when people switched over to Windows 7 I kinda hesitated but went ahead and purchased the professional retail x64 version and still used it nowadays on UEFI plus GPT partitions like a charm on a Haswell Devil's Canyon with 16GB Ram and a GTX 980 TI.

So, I still had the upgrade key for the Windows 10 and gave it a try - hell NO! It kept pushing apps on my start menu even though I uninstalled them from Configuration > System, it kept updating my bluetooth drivers and messing it up, my computer was no longer my own! It was like it was part from a botnet with it's own life.

I don't want anti-virus software, I've never used one, I have a NAS with optional virus scanning if I want to scan a suspicious file, I know what to do, I'm not a regular user, I want to look for updates for my computer, I want to check what has changed, what is this hotfix for, call me antiquate but this is not for me.

I also don't want notifications bothering me, One Drive thanks very much, I'm already a dropbox costumer, I don't want a Microsoft Account for Gods sake! And that coming from someone who beta tested MSN messenger.

I've ran Linux(Fedora) on Laptop for several years and I'll stick with it, the only downside is Microsoft monopoly over the majority of the games with DirectX but hopefully things are gradually getting better.

 

[Squid Surprise]

in that brilliant analogy, those so called features would be:

We now have cameras in your house were the information we gather can be used for commercial purposes. Or we can just watch you do your private stuff at home because that's part of the new UELA.

Advertising in your new interface instead of security info.

When burglars show up the security system might not work because of remote updates to our system whenever is convenient for us...

Not sure why I'm bothering to reply... but heck, I got nothing else going on right now...

I refer you to my previous posts.... If you are truly concerned about Windows 10 "spying on you", I strongly suggest you read some of the articles on Techspot detailing how to customize Windows 10 privacy settings - if all else fails, try Google....

Same goes for "advertising" and Windows updates... I know it's the cool thing to be hating Windows 10 and loving Windows 7... but if you look at both OSes objectively, there is nothing Windows 7 can do that Windows 10 can't - and lots of stuff that Windows 7 can't do that Windows 10 can.

With new hardware, you'd have to be pretty foolish to install Windows 7... but hey, I guess we know where a lot of our members fall

 

[Yynxs]

Intel and AMD will inevitably push Microsoft to support their newest chips in Windows 7, and Microsoft will almost certainly cave.

Stop living in the past - like it or not, Windows 10 will be the OS of the future - so just give in, install the bloody thing, and live with it

Speaking of monopoly and government monitoring, I wonder if forcing the operating system to not be able to use certain types of hardware when it previously worked with that same hardware perfectly violates some of the monopoly laws? Going to have to research that a bit and see if I can point the Democrat Senator from Virginia in that direction.

 

[hahahanoobs]

So, buying new hardware to use in between new Windows OS versions, is doing it wrong? Pffft

That is correct.

 

[Yynxs]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

United States antitrust law is a collection of federal and state government laws that regulates the conduct and organization of business corporations, generally to promote fair competition for the benefit of consumers. (The concept is called competition law in other English-speaking countries.) The main statutes are the Sherman Act 1890, the Clayton Act 1914 and the Federal Trade Commission Act 1914. These Acts, first, restrict the formation of cartels and prohibit other collusive practices regarded as being in restraint of trade.

One of the more well known trusts was the Standard Oil Company; John D. Rockefeller in the 1870s and 1880s had used economic threats against competitors and secret rebate deals with railroads to build what was called a monopoly in the oil business ​

This CPU killing action seems to fit in the very definition of violation of Antitrust Law to me. If AMD is being pressured to not provide support for Win7, somebody is going to eventually get sued or prosecuted. I'm thinking Microsoft doesn't want this examined very closely so there's time for Win7 support to run out and the question becomes moot, but if I were them, I would start shredding the papers and deleting the emails and electronic agreements with AMD out of the backup servers ASAP. Doesn't matter if the EULA says the user only gets so much support, Microsoft deliberately broke something that worked. That is a Monopoly ACTION.

 

[cliffordcooley]

1) Windows 7 (and 8, XP, Vista, etc) are sold with xx years of support. So people are stating on here that by having new CPUs not support an old OS, this violates the agreement.

WRONG!!! When you bought Windows 7, your "support" is only valid for the current hardware you had inside your computer when you installed it. Windows 7 will continue to work in your older CPU - if you upgrade your CPU, you need to upgrade your OS as well...

WRONG!!!

That's only true for OEM License.

 

[needforsuv]

WHY WTF the processor HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THOSE updates
hmmm.... maybe spoof the processor and get updates?

 

[mailpup]

@needforsuv, hold down the shouting, please.

 

[Squid Surprise]

WRONG!!!

That's only true for OEM License.

No - read my next post... A retail license allows you to transfer your copy of Windows to new hardware - but your SUPPORT is only valid for the original hardware...

 

[Squid Surprise]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

United States antitrust law is a collection of federal and state government laws that regulates the conduct and organization of business corporations, generally to promote fair competition for the benefit of consumers. (The concept is called competition law in other English-speaking countries.) The main statutes are the Sherman Act 1890, the Clayton Act 1914 and the Federal Trade Commission Act 1914. These Acts, first, restrict the formation of cartels and prohibit other collusive practices regarded as being in restraint of trade.

One of the more well known trusts was the Standard Oil Company; John D. Rockefeller in the 1870s and 1880s had used economic threats against competitors and secret rebate deals with railroads to build what was called a monopoly in the oil business ​

This CPU killing action seems to fit in the very definition of violation of Antitrust Law to me. If AMD is being pressured to not provide support for Win7, somebody is going to eventually get sued or prosecuted. I'm thinking Microsoft doesn't want this examined very closely so there's time for Win7 support to run out and the question becomes moot, but if I were them, I would start shredding the papers and deleting the emails and electronic agreements with AMD out of the backup servers ASAP. Doesn't matter if the EULA says the user only gets so much support, Microsoft deliberately broke something that worked. That is a Monopoly ACTION.

It's not antitrust because it's simply forcing out MS's other OSes... Microsoft makes Windows 7 and 8 as well...
And they didn't break something that worked - they NEVER supported Windows 7/8 on new CPUs and AMD and Intel declared this before their CPUs were ever sold to consumers....
Expecting it to be supported despite all 3 companies telling you it won't be is simply silly...

 

[Raiderman]

It's not antitrust because it's simply forcing out MS's other OSes... Microsoft makes Windows 7 and 8 as well...
And they didn't break something that worked - they NEVER supported Windows 7/8 on new CPUs and AMD and Intel declared this before their CPUs were ever sold to consumers....
Expecting it to be supported despite all 3 companies telling you it won't be is simply silly...

Your cereal box law degree mentality is astounding, and your love for Windows 10 is nauseating. He was only pointing out that it seems like it is an anti-trust violation, and you respond with your all knowing legal expertise. The fact that AMD has released a Windows 7 x64 driver for Ryzen only proves that you have no clue what you are talking about.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx