Microsoft now blocks Windows 7 and 8.1 updates on Kaby Lake, Ryzen systems

[foxrox]

Here is the problem... when the Redmond Mafia control freaks actually think they have a right to dictate anything at a hardware or firmware level. It's none of their damned business what CPU and chipset is being used with any version of Windows.

So you're expecting your hardware vendor to support their software?

It already does. So, of course. To be clear, I don't give a rat's *** about Windows Updates. I already block them on Windows 10, but their intentions here show the depth of their wickedness and lust for control is unlimited. They are not an honorable company and they've stooped lower than they have in the past. So, yeah... I stick by my position that the chipset and CPU are none of their business. This is manipulation on their part and it is unethical. They deserve to be recipients of any bad thing that might come their way because of their dishonorable intentions.

 

[AsianEd]

I see a lot of people "blaming" Microsoft for this, but don't forget that both AMD and Intel are in on this decision too. If anything, it's the CPU manufactures that get the most benefit from this decision. They don't have to spend development resources on creating and maintaining drivers for older platforms and can instead focus on the current platforms as well as optimizing for these platforms. This above all else is why lifecycle statements exist, to make sure companies aren't stuck supporting platforms that are end-of-life or have relatively low adoption.

Further, Microsoft, Intel, and AMD are under pressure from other forces to limit access to some features to the newest CPUs and OSes (like 4k video), it would make sense for everyone to take a stance on only supporting the newest OS. Intel and AMD want these users to upgrade for these new features and don't want to deal with the negative user sentiment of some new feature not working because they aren't on a supported Operating System.

I'm afraid that Win7 will be the next WinXP in 3 years when it goes completely out of support. Large swaths of the world will still be on it and running unpatched systems. The fact that XP will run on modern hardware gives very little incentive for people to move off, as we've seen the threat of security breaches not even be enough.

...now what if Google decided not to support older CPUs for new versions of Chrome...?

 

[foxrox]

Micro$lop is a truly despicable outfit. When you believe you rule the world, you behave like you rule the world. The driver support is already present. That being the case, this is clearly an egocentric power play by the Redmond Mafia to ram Windoze OS X up the posterior orifices of those who have refused to embrace the filth. There is no positive spin for this. I am a Windows 10 user, and an Insider Program participant, but I have nothing but contempt for this sort of manipulative behavior, and I hope misfortune comes their way as a reward for it.

 

[slkinia]

Time for a few antitrust suits, maybe? states and Federal!

 

[Chris B.]

This is a BS tactic Microsoft. They are supposed to support the operating systems until 2020 and 2024. The computer hardware should be irrelevant.

 

[foxrox]

Time for a few antitrust suits, maybe? states and Federal!

Yup, that would be appropriate.

This is a BS tactic Microsoft. They are supposed to support the operating systems until 2020 and 2024. The computer hardware should be irrelevant.

Agree... none of their business and should be beyond their say-so. If the hardware vendor decides they do not wish to provide driver support, then so be it. That's their call, but Micro$loth needs to mind their own business. Since Windows 7 and 8.1 already support Kaby Lake and Ryzen, this self-absorbed behavior shows their true colors and their anti-customer Nazi-like position is truly disgusting.

 

[Nobina]

Microsoft will beg for anything new that comes out to support only Windows 10, they are getting desperate because their OS from 2009 has double the market share than their newest OS has. If they didn't automatically push their newest bloat onto everyones PC it would be even more of a failure so they have to take some measures.

 

[foxrox]

Microsoft will beg for anything new that comes out to support only Windows 10, they are getting desperate because their OS from 2009 has double the market share than their newest OS has. If they didn't automatically push their newest bloat onto everyones PC it would be even more of a failure so they have to take some measures.

If they were to behave in an honorable manner and actually listen to what customer have to say they would not find themselves in dire straits. Their current failures are a product of their untoward behavior that stems from their egotistical belief that they know what is best. This is one of the things many have always hated about Apple, and it's truly sad to see a once great enterprise traveling down the control freak path that leads to darkness for us and them.

 

[ddferrari]

ETA till crack? Probably a week. But the real fallout will be when those new chips start collecting dust. Hardly anyone needs a new CPU..GPUs will be the major upgrade item for the next year at least. Intel and AMD will inevitably push Microsoft to support their newest chips in Windows 7, and Microsoft will almost certainly cave.

You do know or realize that Intel and AMD agree to this. Hell Intel and MS were talking about this for the 6th gen. Love how everyone wants to balme MS for wverything when manufacturers either come up with most of this stuff or simply support it. MS isnt doing anything alone nor are they holding the software hostage, Intel and AMD agreed with it. So obviously they set it in motion, MS let everyone know this is how it is.

It doesn't matter if Intel/AMD agree or not; the point is that many users want to stay with Win 7 until support ends all together in 2020. Meanwhile, someone will undoubtedly come up with software that fools Microsoft's processor checker into thinking it's seeing a Win 7-compatible chip. I've installed a program called Windows 10 Preventer to make sure my rig uses Win 7 as long as possible.

 

[Igrecman]

It can cost several millions to make the switch to Windows 10 for a big corporation. They have to change all their computers for new ones fast enough. They have to have their technicians trained for the change. They have to test everything on a separate LAN for several weeks or months. This without being certain if Windows 10 will be around for a long time. On top of that a business doesn't need anything new that was introduced by 10 or even 8.1. As long as the security holes can still be patched on 7, I don't blame the businesses for sticking to it as long as they can.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Okay then why did you describe it thusly:
Windows update can be controlled through the group policy in Pro. "Program(ming) a Windows Update block" specifically reads as though you're using Win10 Home where updates are less controllable.

What are you talking about? The block is on Windows 7 and Windows 8 not Windows 10 (Home or Pro). And even though I am using Windows 10, I can still see the wrong in intentionally programming blocks in Windows Update for Windows 7 users. I don't have to remain silent when I'm not using an OS, as though I'm saying screw all you guys that prefer an older OS. I, unlike Microsoft will not stoop that low.

 

[electriac]

We had all our machines running Win10 for over six months and now they all have been converted back to Win7. Win10 is bad software.

 

[foxrox]

It can cost several millions to make the switch to Windows 10 for a big corporation. They have to change all their computers for new ones fast enough. They have to have their technicians trained for the change. They have to test everything on a separate LAN for several weeks or months. This without being certain if Windows 10 will be around for a long time. On top of that a business doesn't need anything new that was introduced by 10 or even 8.1. As long as the security holes can still be patched on 7, I don't blame the businesses for sticking to it as long as they can.

The smart ones won't waste money on a volatile product. They're even starting to back-peddle on providing a static version of Enterprise LTSB for corporations. No intelligent business is going to switch to an OS that causes them to lose control over what happens to their computer fleet. That presents a potentially unmanageable IT support nightmare that nobody wants to deal with. The stupid decisions they make, like this one, on a frequent and ongoing basis, may ultimately usher their demise. Announcements like this article are a harbinger of doom for a company that has been its own worst enemy since the introduction of Windows 8. Since they seem to lack the capacity to learn from their own mistakes, it probably goes without saying that they will continue to repeat them... perhaps to the point that there is no longer anything left worth saving.

 

[yRaz]

Ah, now I understand, after reading your countless posts about your inability to understand your own shortcomings I see why this is supposed to be relevant. You believe because you have paid for software that you should have the right to use it how you see fit and it should be the same as a previous version of the software you had. However in reality you're simply paying for the right to use what Microsoft owns and created, you can try and manipulate it in to working how you like and so forth, but if you are unable to do so don't simply blame everyone else for your problems; Microsoft for not allowing you to see your password which you should have saved somewhere, Comcast for not providing you with a password and locking you out of your own network. With all this time and effort you have lost dealing with wireless problems you could have instead just wired your house and been done with it.

Well that's a bit rude. Now it seems like you are saying that I am a lay-man and lack any knowledge of OS's or networking. I am able to use the OS and get it to do what I want, but what I'm saying is that Windows 10 does not like you messing with it. Microsoft made it to work a certain way and doesn't want people to change that.

As far as my network goes, my entire thought was "I don't have the password, don't feel like resetting my router and setting up the wireless on all the devices in the house right now. That's okay because I can just look it up in my network settings." And windows 10 did not let me access that data inconveniencing me significantly.

As far as "just wiring my house", let me get right on that...

And I really want to know why it's my fault I didn't know this. Does it say on the box "wireless network changes?" And what was the purpose of this change? Everyone is just saying "it's your fault because you don't know anything about computers" I bet none of you knew the changes about wireless networking in windows 10.

 

[StrikerRocket]

Is windows 10 a bad OS? Not at all. Would I still rather use the OS I've been using for the last 8 years? YES!

I think windows 7 was the last OS to really bring significant improvements in an OS. I remember going from 3.1 to 95 and 95 to 98. Then I went from 98 to XP and from XP I went to Vista then shortly returning to XP. Then windows 7 came out. Every OS before it brought with it significant improvements and features that made use more than happy to learn a new OS. Windows 10 seems to switch things up and hide things for reasons I can't even come up with. It doesn't give you access to parts of the OS and I feel like I have less control over Windows 10 than I did Windows 7. Espectially with Secure Boot.

I freaking hate using secure boot. Everything I want to run linux mint I have to disable it in my bios then it shows up in my boot options. Afterwards, when I'm done, I have to go back into the bios and turn Secure Boot back on to load Windows 10. However, it doesn't stop there. For me, everytime I do this, I have to load up the install CD and run repair before I can load windows 10 again.

There is a fix for linux mint to work with secure boot. When I use that fix for secure boot windows 10 wont show up in the boot menu at all.

Then comes the settings. Is nothing intuitive about accessing settings? I was made when I had to go from the control panel on XP to the one in W7. However, I was more than happy to learn because I loved W7 and it didn't hide features, it just moved them around. Now in W10 it not only hides many feature entirely, but refuses to give you control of certain aspects of the OS.

Here is an example of a recent problem I had with W10 that drove me F*CKING NUTS. My wireless card failed and I had to install a new one, no biggy, right? Not at all. First a little back story. I had been having T3 and T4 timeouts on my comcast connection for about a year where I'd just get disconnected at random. I called support and they'd send a tech out who would just replace the router and leave. I then had to manually change all my router settings back. This happened about once a month and my router allowed me to save all settings in a spread sheet that I could simply open on the new router and, bam, good to go. For those of you who don't know, T3 and T4 timeouts are most often a network problem on the ISP's end. Either a bad connection, bad cable or a failing repeater. One day they decided to replace a new model router with the old one and my settings couldn't be natively ported over. Eitherway, the tech that replaced it put a password on it and set up my network with slightly different settings, names and passwords, but it worked so I wasn't TOO angry. Problem still persisted until we threatened to move to verizon unless they fixed the problem, this went on for well over a year mind you. They send a tech out and replace ALL our cable lines. It turns out the the coaxial connection at the street was rusty, which would knock our internet phone and TV out every time the wind blowed.

Fast forward to new wireless card and windows 10. I did not have the wireless password for the wifi, he set it up on all the computers in the house for me and I was very thankful for that. I didn't see this as a problem as I was always able to go into network settings and saved networks to check the password, this isn't possible on windows 10 unless you are already connected to the network, here comes the problem. In windows 10, each saved network is linked to the wireless card. I plugged in my wireless card and couldn't connect. This being 11 at night and everyone sleeping I couldn't exactly go into the other rooms and check the passwords on the other computers. This is just another stupid road block the was completely unnessisary. I ended up booting into linux minute, then I realized I never set up the new network in linux so I didn't have the password.

In W7 this never would have been a problem because once you are logged into your account you have access to all this information. It also doesn't link saved networks to wireless cards for your "security". W10 tries to hold your hand in every possible way and it just makes it difficult for any user who doesn't want to just browse facebook and watch netflix.

BTW, I just realized how much I wrote and I'm not going to bother editing it or checking my spelling so please excuse any typeos

/rant

cough.... "...every time the wind *blew*"... would be better... I guess...
Ok, I'm outta here...

 

[Squid Surprise]

Wow.... a lot of uninformed posts in the past few hours....

Let's make a few things clear (they should already be clear, but alas, I guess not)...

1) Windows 7 (and 8, XP, Vista, etc) are sold with xx years of support. So people are stating on here that by having new CPUs not support an old OS, this violates the agreement.

WRONG!!! When you bought Windows 7, your "support" is only valid for the current hardware you had inside your computer when you installed it. Windows 7 will continue to work in your older CPU - if you upgrade your CPU, you need to upgrade your OS as well... for 99.99% of people, a CPU upgrade (especially Ryzen which necessitates a new motherboard as well) means a new PC... the PC usually comes with Windows anyways... You are welcome to use another OS if you want to.... wait, there aren't really any other options other than Linux....

Which leads us to...

2) Those of you thinking this is an anti-trust issue. WRONG AGAIN!! Do you really need to be reminded that Windows 7, 8, Vista, etc are ALSO MADE BY MICROSOFT?!!?!? There can be no antitrust when a company is using unfair practices (whether they actually are or not is irrelevant to this thread) to eliminate their OWN software! Especially when they let you upgrade from that old software FOR FREE (you can actually still do this despite the 1 year limitation expiring - read up this thread or use Google).

3) OMG, corporations are f*cked if they can't install Windows Updates on their enterprise PCs which must remain on an old OS to support their large networks...

WRONG ONCE AGAIN!! Pretty much any corporate environment rolls out Windows Updates centrally - they are deployed by the IT staff and are not "automatically" installed via Windows Update. These computers will still be able to be updated... but the amount of NEW PCs (with Ryzen or Kaby Lake) with a non-Windows 10 OS will be pretty small (see point 1).

Which leaves us with....

4) Windows 10 is "inferior" to Windows 7.

While this is largely a matter of personal preference, it has been mentioned numerous times (by me and others including Techspot staff on multiple threads) that you can personalize your copy of Windows 10 to make it virtually indistinguishable from older versions of Windows. Try Google (or read some articles on this site!). Also, if you want to have access to the latest security patches, not to mention DirectX 12, Windows 10 is the place to be...

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In conclusion, stop whining, install Windows 10, and move on.... regardless of the malevolence of MS, it's here to stay

 

[hyperspaced]

Some people want their pie and eat it too! They accuse Microsoft of being sluggish in their procedures but still want 15+ year old OS's to be supported.

The answer is a big NO.

It's Windows 10.

Get with the program.

 

[Mugsy]

I still use 64bit Windows 7 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Beside not wanting Microsoft's new Spam Delivery System known as "Windows 10" anywhere near my machine, I still have some older perfectly good hardware for which there are no Win-10 drivers. I have no interest in unnecessarily spending money to replace perfectly good hardware just because Microsoft has decided they aren't going to support it in order to force me to use an OS I don't like.

Expect plenty of "hacks" from users to remove this disabling "update" to allow them to use the OS of their choosing.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I still use 64bit Windows 7 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Beside not wanting Microsoft's new Spam Delivery System known as "Windows 10" anywhere near my machine, I still have some older perfectly good hardware for which there are no Win-10 drivers. I have no interest in unnecessarily spending money to replace perfectly good hardware just because Microsoft has decided they aren't going to support it in order to force me to use an OS I don't like.

Expect plenty of "hacks" from users to remove this disabling "update" to allow them to use the OS of their choosing.

This article is about NEW hardware not supporting Windows 7.... feel free to sit with your old hardware on Windows 7... it will obviously work fine - Windows Updates will not be affected in any way for you...

 

[hyperspaced]

Well, if you still use that old (legacy) hardware, then you most probably don't want a cutting edge processor which requires a full system upgrade. No need to worry then.

 

[Phr3d]

Blah,blah,blahdy-blah and blah.. (oops, original post now MIA)
In conclusion, stop whining, stick with Windows 7 and completely ignore anyone that attempts to make an alternative sound both unavoidable -and- Better for being so. Microsoft's recent history regarding Windows 10 is telling in ways that seem Not to bother a few posters here - that is their choice, just as it is another's choice to be seriously bothered and untrusting of the 'unavoidable' Ten-topia, particularly when 10 brings no benefits to that user.

MHO, just as meaningful and memorable as others..

 

[OcelotRex]

What are you talking about? The block is on Windows 7 and Windows 8 not Windows 10 (Home or Pro). And even though I am using Windows 10, I can still see the wrong in intentionally programming blocks in Windows Update for Windows 7 users. I don't have to remain silent when I'm not using an OS, as though I'm saying screw all you guys that prefer an older OS. I, unlike Microsoft will not stoop that low.

I misread your comment and went in a different direction.

But as to your red highlighted comment - Both kaby Lake and Ryzen were released with only Win10 support so there's no issue with not supporting older hardware. There's nothing deceitful going on here - If you happen to own a retail copy of Windows 7 or 8 and want to use it on new, unsupported Hardware MicroSoft has every right to not support it.

They also offered free upgrades to Win10; those people should have taken advantage of them.

 

[OcelotRex]

It already does. So, of course. To be clear, I don't give a rat's *** about Windows Updates. I already block them on Windows 10, but their intentions here show the depth of their wickedness and lust for control is unlimited. They are not an honorable company and they've stooped lower than they have in the past. So, yeah... I stick by my position that the chipset and CPU are none of their business. This is manipulation on their part and it is unethical. They deserve to be recipients of any bad thing that might come their way because of their dishonorable intentions.

Intel and AMD work closely with Microsoft to ensure their products work optimally. Your stance that Microsoft should "stay out of it" and are"dishonorable" doesn't take into consideration the performance stability and gains from the close relationship.

Your argument boils down to entitlement and sour grapes.

 

[OcelotRex]

1) Windows 7 (and 8, XP, Vista, etc) are sold with xx years of support. So people are stating on here that by having new CPUs not support an old OS, this violates the agreement.

WRONG!!! When you bought Windows 7, your "support" is only valid for the current hardware you had inside your computer when you installed it. Windows 7 will continue to work in your older CPU - if you upgrade your CPU, you need to upgrade your OS as well... for 99.99% of people, a CPU upgrade (especially Ryzen which necessitates a new motherboard as well) means a new PC... the PC usually comes with Windows anyways... You are welcome to use another OS if you want to.... wait, there aren't really any other options other than Linux....

There's one big caveat to your statement - Retail licenses for Full Versions of Windows 7 are transferable to new hardware with limitations:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...tail-and/4737adfe-8a76-e011-8dfc-68b599b31bf5

 

[Squid Surprise]

There's one big caveat to your statement - Retail licenses for Full Versions of Windows 7 are transferable to new hardware with limitations:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...tail-and/4737adfe-8a76-e011-8dfc-68b599b31bf5

Your license allows you to transfer it to a new PC (assuming you have a retail license, not an OEM), but your official support only exists for your original hardware...