Microsoft Security Essentials bombs tests, loses AV-Test certificate

By Rick ยท 77 replies
Nov 29, 2012
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  1. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    Know what? Me too. I used Avast, my daughter in law killed it. Avira caused me a reformat, and AVG makes me fearless.

    So, AVG for the tough jobs, and MSE for banking.;) (I keep the "art" on one machine, and money matters on another).
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  2. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    haha (y)
  3. killeriii

    killeriii TS Enthusiast Posts: 213   +14

  4. Okay, enough with all of your craps like MSE is better or bad than avg or avast is the best, or yelling avira is the best than avg blah blah blah.. etc etc..

    even MSE gain low score at this recently AV-test, doesn't mean your PC get easily infected by virus/malware. On contrary, using AV program that has perfect score in this AV-test also doesn't mean it can guarantee your PC 100% safe against virus/malware..
  5. Jim$ter

    Jim$ter TS Booster Posts: 158   +32

    I don't care what they say...its still the best out there for very low system resources. For better protection just install Malwarebytes pro....and you are good to go. All the others are resource hogs.
  6. Stop going to porn sites and clicking on things you dont know and you will likely not ever get a virus. Ive used MSE for years and while I have got one major virus, I still was able to clean as I have never ever relied on one program. Using Malwarebytes with MSE should be fine for most without paying for anything. No matter what anti-virus ppl use, it's still YOUR responsibility to know what your doing on your computer. Clicking on things, letting others use your computer and going to questionable sites. Some things are out of our control no matter how good of a AV you have. Things still get through. Nothing is perfect which is why I dont rely on just AV.
  7. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    One of the most fun parts of participating in a thread about AV software is getting to meet and enjoy the company of so many self righteous, sanctimonious, and all knowing people. That said, welcome to Techspot.
    Believe it or not we had a thread awhile back, that said you were much more likely to get an infection by visiting a religious website, than one featuring porn. It makes sense if you take the time to think about it. The better "nude art" sites, want you to subscribe and pay money to receive their "product". So, it follows logically they're not going to screw with your computer, since you'll be busy fixing it while you're bad mouthing them all over the web. That wouldn't be good for business at all.

    OTOH, the "self satisfied of their own purity" visitors to religious sites, are like the proverbial lambs, ripe and ready for slaughter.

    Slick people get a lot of infections via downloading cracked programs, key gens, and the like. One wonders why all porn gets the collateral blame for individual greed.

    AAAAAAA.....Wrong! The free version of Malwarebytes is passive. It will do nothing but tell you that you've been infected, post facto. (And that's if you're lucky) Many spyware type programs are, (or at least were at one time), of the same ilk. When you give the company money, the programs go pro-active.
    Well, there is some lousy free AV software out there, I'm sure that would exacerbate the situation. As for "clicking on things", someone should probably write a book on this topic, "Social Engineering Trojans for Dummies". Personally though, I don't think I need to read it. I'm not really prone to giving my personal information away so that I can receive the results of an, "online IQ test"....;) (The joke is, you pass the test by not being tricked into taking it).
    At last we agree on something
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  8. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    "Ignorance is bliss", or so they say.:confused:
  9. You are not a true power user if you cannot easily get by without an antivirus, IMHO
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    IMO, you are not a true "power user", if you do not wear a cape and a mask while computing.....:p
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  11. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,715   +3,696

    As much as I would like to agree with this, I cannot.

    Coming from someone who did not use an active scanner until sometime in 2009, I still used a manual scanner periodically to satisfy my curiosity. I will say if you know your PC and how it acts, you can usually tell without an active scanner when you have been infected. And now that I finally have a PC worth having, running an active scanner is not so bad on system resources. If I went back to not using an active scanner, I'd still want to manually scan periodically. Even if MSSE has fallen a bit on the charts, it's still worth it to me to keep it installed as any notification at all is better than no notification.
  12. Jesse

    Jesse TS Evangelist Posts: 358   +42

    LOL are you always this witty? I should join your threads more often.
  13. T77

    T77 TS Enthusiast Posts: 300   +6

    Well it ain't good news for me,but as long as one plays it safe on the net this shouldn't bother much.
    I'll put avast at no.2 . MSE has a much cleaner interface and is hassle free.(not many settings to tinker around with unlike others).
  14. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    yeah, I actually got 1 trojan from being stupid and downloading something to unlock all gold camos in cod lol, and MSE detected it. I use spybot S&d and Malwarebytes. I am a fanatic about viruses and kill them as soon as I am suspicious.
  15. nismo91

    nismo91 TS Evangelist Posts: 930   +31

    I used avast since 2005 and the only thing that bugs me is the one-year registration. other than that I must say I am extremely satisfied with the free avast for all these years. but of course you can always search for longer key period on youtube. it'll still be the same free version but it will expire later.

    few years ago when MSE were introduced I uninstalled avast and replaced it with MSE. didn't like how it works, especially with the updates which is integrated with windows update. I am glad I went back to avast since then.
  16. corrosive23

    corrosive23 TS Member

    I cant trust an outfit that gives any endorsement or any positive view to AVG or Zone alarm. I'm sorry.
  17. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,715   +3,696

    If you want a review that is unbiased, you have no choice.
  18. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    Since it's fairly obvious that you know more than the testers do, why concern yourself reading reviews or test results anyway?
  19. corrosive23

    corrosive23 TS Member

    You would trust AVG or Zone Alarm in this day and age? The progressively shitty way they have trended the last few years? Just because I'm new to this site, doesn't mean I'm new to the internet or computers.
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    Me either, and AVG is the only one of the "big 3 freebies", that hasn't allowed any infections or forced me to do a reformat.

    But then since it's only been 4 or 5 years that I've been using AVG on my "art hunt computer", and I've only been a member here for 6 years, it's probably just beginners luck.

    Although, you can keep the Zone Alarm garbage away from me.

    I have the sense to read a article about it though, if only to compare the testers results with my own.

    The Windows 7 firewall should be adequate anyway. At least so the testers would have you believe. But what do they know? Just because they have samples of thousands of instances of malware to test with, shouldn't automatically give them any credibility . I'd likely be better off asking some passerby on the street what they thought.

    Maybe a guest will post and straighten me out.
  21. Well stop going to religious sites too then. Religion can be done anywhere and anytime. It should be just about you and your beliefs, not about going to a site or building that has statues and stain glass windows. Believing in yourself is the best thing you can ever do. All going to a website is going to do is ruin your computer and take time away from your religion n whatever else you may do. Stay away from the religious sites and porn, you should be ok for the most part. If you don't, don't go cryin about how your computer got infected then try and blame someone or a company. It was actually your own fault.

    As for questioning Malwarebytes free vs pro(paid) version, well yea the paid version gives you support and more features but ive never used it. Have not needed to. There are also tools out there that can kill the viruses that cause popups and other things. They are also free. So why people continue to pay for services that should actually be free because the internet can not be controlled or protected, ill use the free programs and save my money. A combination of tools that are free can protect you against everything that the paid ones can. Again though, paid tools DO NOT mean your getting any better security. Paid or free, nothing is perfect. We all would like an all in one AV/Malware protection that is free unfortunately there isnt one and the ones they may exist all have ? marks about how good they really are.
  22. Another good point is to stay away from torrent sites. Especially, the free ones. They have tons of viruses. Paid ones have better security, not perfect by any means though. Again, if your goign to take the risk, understand that you now have a greater chance of a virus and you should at least try to protect yourself. Think of it as sex, better safe than sorry. If you don't want a kid where a condom, don't want to get a virus(computer) protect yourself(works both ways).


    Mse was never good.
  24. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,975   +2,527

    Well, I 'd like to use the old metaphor, "you're preaching to the choir", but somehow it doesn't quite resonate with my situation. You see, I'm an atheist. So for me, religious dogma is its own anti-malware.
    I won't even initiate a search for religion, or anything remotely associated with it, so I kinda think I'll be all right, even without your sage counsel.
    I never cry, nor do I put my tail between my legs and beg for help should my computer infected. I "take it like a man", "admit my shortcomings", and reformat.

    That said, I do think you should join a couple of good subscription porn sites. The benefits of that would be manifold. First, it would get your mind off the pros and cons of organized religion, and second, you'd realize that you're way over generalizing about "erotic art". Third, it might give you something to play with besides a typewriter keyboard. The benefits of which, at this point, would be widespread and appreciated by many.

    For the record, "Malwarebytes" has been shuffled pretty far down the order in this site's prioritiy as a cleanup solution.

    Personally I have it installed along with AVG. I've never received a positive from it, from any scan. Does that mean I've never needed it, or the AVG has intercepted any threat before it got to Malwarebytes? I'm honest enough to say, "I don't know", rather than vacantly reciting its virtues.

    I certainly so do not pay for AV or anti-malware solutions. In fact, I am very unlikely to pay for software of any sort. There is enough freeware available that meets my humble needs. For imaging issues, I pay good money for Adobe's product.

    As for the evils of porn or religion, and how that relates to the world of personal computing, here's a headline:

    "Trogan-Rigged Software Keygens Aggressively Distributed in January"

    And the page I extracted it from:

    This should serve a dual purpose: 1: Grant me some respite from your posting things of which I'm already acutely aware. And 2: give you ammunition to do more of the same.

    I have a small trace of masochistic tendencies, so what? God knows what would happen to my computer if I searched for a solution...:eek:
  25. MeladT

    MeladT TS Rookie Posts: 22   +7

    Yep Avast is really good!

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