cliffordcooley
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You seriously think I can ride this pony the rest of my life? I must have a short life ahead.
Microsoft unveils two new mice for Windows 8 users
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St1ckM4n
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Just for giggles, let's assume it is. Regardless of the size, if you don't have the hand-eye coordination to whip your mouse to the most bottom left corner of the screen, you have bigger problems than a small start screen button. Even a little kid could figure that out. Maybe you're just a late bloomer though.
What's with the ad hominem? Not cool, bro.
Anyway, here's two points in regards to the above:
1. Moving your pointer to the bottom corner of screen isn't hard. You can just forcefully shove the pointer down. However, this ruins the physical position of your mouse on your desk (inb4 not a valid point).
2. This is the kicker - use more than 1 monitor. How do you force the pointer into the corner now..?
There's a massive difference between a kid or some casual user with low DPI mouse sensitivity and casually browsing the web.. as compared to a pro user with known specialised and learn actions. OS helps the user, not the other way around.
ReederOnTheRun
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What's with the ad hominem? Not cool, bro.
Anyway, here's two points in regards to the above:
1. Moving your pointer to the bottom corner of screen isn't hard. You can just forcefully shove the pointer down. However, this ruins the physical position of your mouse on your desk (inb4 not a valid point).
2. This is the kicker - use more than 1 monitor. How do you force the pointer into the corner now..?
There's a massive difference between a kid or some casual user with low DPI mouse sensitivity and casually browsing the web.. as compared to a pro user with known specialised and learn actions. OS helps the user, not the other way around.
1. You would have to move approximately the same distance to hit a regular start menu button, except this way you don't have to aim for any button. Also, "forcefully shoving" the mouse all the way from the top-right to the bottom-left only displaces it by like an inch anyways (and you're right, this isn't some super high DPI gaming mouse or anything).
2. They actually include corner traps for just this reason...
The validity of your problems aside, you'd think a "pro user" would be able to get around some minor annoyance like this with ease (or learn a keyboard shortcut).
P.S. - You could always buy a Windows 8 mouse if you can't handle the popup button, charm bar button, or keyboard shortcut.
P.P.S. - How many "pro users" complain about too much mouse displacement when clicking a button?
cliffordcooley
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You failed to see St1ckM4n's point that by using multiple monitors, you no longer have a trap for the cursor. This would lead to pixel perfect precision mouse placement without a large object to focus on.
ReederOnTheRun
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If you only had one monitor, you wouldn't need a trap. The edges of the monitor would stop the mouse. Windows 8 has corner traps deployed when another monitor is connected. It makes the mouse stop at the corners.
It explains it on the bottom of the page here:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/windows-8-includes-enhanced-multi-monitor-support/20521
You don't need anything close to "pixel perfect precision".
cliffordcooley
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I stand corrected, those traps would be more annoying than I had imagined. Instead of allowing for the continued use of an object, they implement a trap to break your monitor to monitor mouse movement so you can click on a precise pixel.
What if, just what if that is not where you want to go each time?
ReederOnTheRun
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First you were complaining that their was nothing to stop the mouse in the corners, and now you're complaining that there is something that stops the mouse in the corners...
The ridiculousness of your complaints aside, if you don't want to get into the corner trap each time, I'd suggest you don't put your mouse into the corner of the screen each time.
In my opinion, I'd rather be able to turn those features off, because I don't like the drag it makes on the mouse and I always use the hotkeys anyways. But since you and that other guy are having so many difficulties with clicking a simple start screen button, I think you should be glad they have it.
cliffordcooley
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Incorrect, I was not complaining there was nothing to stop the mouse. I was complaining about the removal of an object to click on. You have read my postings, you know this. Why are you placing false accusations? It's almost as if you want to be seen as ignorant, when we all know better.
Then we are in agreement, we both want choices. The lack of choice is the basis to all my complaints.
Once again you are having delusions about me having difficulties. I'm not having difficulties because I am choosing not to deal with the annoyances of Windows 8. Once again you have read my postings, you know this.
captaincranky
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I don't want Windows 8 at all. Why? Because I don't want any touch enabled device.
I know me, and if were to rub my hand all over my favorite display, in about two minutes, (or less), I'd have a premature "cybergasm".....
I know me, and if were to rub my hand all over my favorite display, in about two minutes, (or less), I'd have a premature "cybergasm".....
St1ckM4n
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As I said before - pro users are here to do work. Not to do work, to do work. Fact: there is zero benefit to getting rid of start button in terms of productivity. Please prove me wrong with well-thought out sentences.
Also, this is step #1 in the chain. I'm not even gonna start on the Start 'screen'...
ReederOnTheRun
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Except none of your problems are even problems. All you're doing is making up bogus hypothetical situations to try to shine a bad light on something about the Windows 8 start button. The fact is that Windows 8 is a great system, if you're capable enough to learn it. There are some legitimate problems with it, and it could use some improvements to help the users with flat learning curves; but you haven't described any of those real problems.
If you wanted to make a legitimate argument against the popup start button, you could just say something like "There is nothing functionally wrong with a popup start button, but I like to see it on the taskbar because that's what is familiar to me". That would've made a TON more sense than complaining about the "physical mouse displacement" on your desk. Also, you shouldn't complain about things you have never experienced. If you really had a multiple monitor setup, you'd know there are corner traps. In fact, you literally can "force" the mouse into the corner and it'll catch it. I personally find this annoying, so I'd rather they just made the invisible start button bigger on the second screen instead or made it visible in this case. If you were smart and knew what you were talking about; you would've argued that, instead of the opposite. THAT would've been a solid point.
Maybe if you thought out your sentences a little more, you wouldn't sound like some annoying kid who got his hands on a computer. "Pro user". Are you kidding me?
captaincranky
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What does this have to do with M$ two new mouse products?
ReederOnTheRun
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What does this have to do with M$ two new mouse products?
Nothing, but let's be honest, this is the trend of most Windows 8 posts
captaincranky
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Even I can't argue with that. And trust me, I'm willing to argue about almost anything....Nothing, but let's be honest, this is the trend of most Windows 8 posts
