Microsoft's latest fix for Windows 10 breaks something else

cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
Somewhere in Seattle a developer is going "I told you to scope time for automated regression testing." In the same place a VP at Microsoft is going "look at the 15% we saved by offshoring QA in Q2" and getting a bonus.
Somewhere in every community around the world, there is likely someone wanting to shoot both of them.
I hope Linux Lemmings have fun with thier VERY limited penguin, Hahaaa
Well it can't be much worse.
 

madboyv1

TechSpot Paladin
Because it's all about griping when something breaks, here's the workaround/fix if this occurred during an upgrade from 1803/1809 to 1903:

delete/rename the cache folder in "C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Cortana_[something here]" and replace it with the cache folder located in the Windows.old directory of the same path, and it will fix the issue of the taskbar search box not displaying anything.

I have not seen this happen yet in the wild with a system already at 1903, so I can't say if deleting the cache folder and letting the system rebuild it (if it works that way) will help.
 
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retsxel

I've only 4TB within 14K folders and 166K files. I'd wager that is more than most, but definitely not the most. You don't need search, when the folder structure gives hints as to where to go.
Fair enough. You must be very methodical about organizing your files.
 

Ravalo

TS Booster
My issue is that mu computer will shut down in the middle of doing something or when I just walk away and let it go into sleep mode.
I have ALMOST the same problem, it didn’t use to happen in windows 7, so the blame here is.....
 

Nobina

TS Evangelist
Damn I must be a computer genius to never have seen a single one of these problems ever, on any of the dozens of machines Ive built. My main rig is customized to hell with various reg tweaks, scripts, disabled apps even Windows Search on my Surface... Nothing. No problems, ever.

Its most likely an end user issue, or restricted to a certain circumstance. I feel bad for most of you it sounds like you dont really know how to use a pc! Mac has got you covered they are trying to distance themselves from "personal computer" as much as possible.
So Microsoft releases a new update, coincidentally at that time tons of people get the same issue, it must be just people not knowing how to use a PC. The galaxy brain on this one.

...on my Surface...
Say no more.
 

avioza

TS Maniac
To all those who say that Windows 10 has never caused them any problems, please keep in mind; Microsoft does not publicly acknowledge a bug and respond with a patch for imaginary problems or user error.

These problems exist and are created regularly with feature updates far more frequently than they did with Windows 7 patches. Perhaps most don't see it because they are home users or small/private shops.

The proof is in the more frequent patch patching. The community base may be a little salty and sarcastic here, but that doesn't make them wrong. Especially on an enterprise level, windows 10 has been a big headache for many.
 

lazer

TS Addict
No problems here.....

I'm running Windows XP-SP2 without any Microsoft updates on the Internet without any issues

No Malware, No Crashes, and everything works every time I use it

Sure, if I were to listen to Microsoft, EVERYTHING would be perpetually broken and I would be on an endless treadmill to nowhere........just like YOU!

If I need 64 bit programs......well...
I'm still on day 1 of the 90 day trial for Windows 8.1 Enterprise after nearly 10 years of use and that works far better than Windows 10
Yup, I have one computer with XP - works great and the other which came loaded with win8, I re-installed win7 with NO updates. Both work like charms. On my other I run Ubuntu, which I like but it does not seem to work well with programs that I paid money for that are window run programs (Yes I tried WINE, ugh!).

So until Ubuntu gets the ability to run old windows programs, I will keep XP and Win7 with NO UPDATES.....
 

Shobi

TS Rookie
I haven't experienced any issues yet. I believe my update came in last night.
Me too. Once again we have an article with a sensational headline all for the clicks. Because you know, we have to have the clickbait to rile up the haters and trolls.

I, myself, have no issues. None. The Start Menu works as intended and I just tested it myself. I brought the Start Menu up, typed in "Control" and sure enough "Control Panel" was one of the results. So yeah... not as widespread an issue as these clickbait articles would like you to believe.
I haven't experienced any issues yet. I believe my update came in last night.
Me too. Once again we have an article with a sensational headline all for the clicks. Because you know, we have to have the clickbait to rile up the haters and trolls.

I, myself, have no issues. None. The Start Menu works as intended and I just tested it myself. I brought the Start Menu up, typed in "Control" and sure enough "Control Panel" was one of the results. So yeah... not as widespread an issue as these clickbait articles would like you to believe.

I know, right? My Doctor has been warning me for decades to stop smoking with all kinds of scary articles and statistics. But I'm still doing just fine! Shows him!
 

Techpoop

TS Rookie
Well let's see you write the architectural C++ code then, need I remind you this OS was free for sometime and is pretty kick *** in terms of what it can do. So go cry me a river and no, Ive also updated MS only to send my computer into blue screens. But hey, once you write your first program you'll understand the pain.
 

texasrattler

TS Evangelist
Actually, the issue and it's solution was out there widely on September 3, 2019.

Yes, we know. You have had no issues so no one else has had issues. Perfectly logical conclusion. :facepalm:
You only need a solution If you have a issue, hes saying he doesn't and plenty of ppl dont.
Also just cause you and a few others have a issue doesnt mean we all do.

Crying wolf over minor issues, that's what the minority do so they can be heard. All OSes have issues, ppl cry over MS cause we all use or need the OS. Apple and Google have plenty issues but the world dont rely on them.
 

captaincranky

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Well, "when Windows becomes a subscription service, instead of a pay once and done perpetual license, we here at M$, will be able to devote more time and resources into making certain, that all updates are tested in all possible scenarios. This will result in much higher user satisfaction in what is already, .... (wait for it)........:'the best Windows ever'" :rolleyes:

"After all, you must understand that we're only the 2nd largest corporation in the world, and we're struggling mightily, just to keep our heads above water".
 
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neeyik

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Although I fully appreciate that singular, personal experiences cannot be used as a measure of a system, I do find Win10 to be "the best Windows ever" - I don't miss the days of Win3.1 through to Win8.1 at all; my Win7 installations were pretty solid, and updates very rarely caused issues though. Reading some of the frustrations that people have experienced with Win10 genuinely makes me grateful for the experience I've had with it.
 
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captaincranky

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@neeyik We had a Windows update article here, wherein M$ announced ahead of time something to the effect of, "if you're using this "xxx" program, then the update will screw it up.

So while you've had all positive experiences with the OS, IMO, the forced updating, excessive telemetry and data collection, nixes it for me. I certainly wasn't prepared to surrender a perfectly good Windows 7 license, for a copy of Win 10, which prima facia appeared as though it was, "now available in suppository form".

This gentleman made a very valid point:
To all those who say that Windows 10 has never caused them any problems, please keep in mind; Microsoft does not publicly acknowledge a bug and respond with a patch for imaginary problems or user error..
With the incorporation of the "Windows Store" into the OS, M$ appears to be imitating, (or has" ripped off") at least a portion of Apple's business model. I can't help but thinking that success in this path, will lead to more attempts to "close the system".

Nor can I help but imagine that some of these updates will target certain 3rd party software in the future. That is after all, a typical tactic of a monopoly, to try and put its competitors out of business.

As an example, "Windows Defender", was a turd of a "security solution". Now, it's top rated, as M$ has obviously found it advantageous to cut after market security software out of the loop.

Windows 10 gives you "less for more", with the deletion of Windows Media Center and the Aero interface..

Granted, I amuse easily, and really enjoy a wallpaper slide show while I work. But as opposed to "live tiles" or some BS cell phone GUI, Aero makes all the pleasurable difference in the world.

M$ has been dialing back the GUI to appear somewhat more akin to "windows 7", but with data collection
 
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neeyik

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I fully concede that much about Microsoft's direction with Windows, and the various aspects of Win10 itself that you pointed out, is rather unwelcome/concerning for the end user.

Unfortunately for me, I'm a 'perfect customer' for Microsoft: I update everything, constantly, and get infantile joy from seeing a new update wing its way onto my system; I work in the public sector, have previously worked in nuclear/military sectors, and have also worked for years online so there's little about my 'data' that's private to me anyway. I disliked Aero and never used WMC nor Defender, so again, changes in those areas passed me by.

I agree that Microsoft have taken a long look at Apple's modus operandi and thought 'well, let's have a slice of that apple pie, please' and it will invariably mean that Windows will become more unpalatable for many people.
 

captaincranky

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@neeyik Well, we do have different needs and uses for our machines, so that explains a lot. I use WMC in machines with tuners as half a** HTPCs. You add a $15.00 DVD drive to WMC and a TV tuner, and you've got the best DVR / DVD player ever. (at least if you're not intending t burn the OTA recordings).

The rest of my use is this 10 YO 32 bit machine with which I'm having this conversation, and a far beefier box or 2 for photography. In fact, I recently even bought a 3rd generation past copy of Photoshop Elements (PSE-15), since I don't have the latest generation of DSLR(s), and so raw file handling, (which Adobe won't update in PSE much past its initial release date), isn't the problem it might be for some.

You really don't like fantasy landscapes, the Budweiser Clydesdales, or half naked women in Spandex? That's where Aero really shines, so to speak.

I found some interesting open source software which claims to be able to pull the chords out of MP3 files. It likely works (if at all), better on 7 than 10.
 
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neeyik

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@captaincranky If the women are drinking fantasy Bud in a Spandex landscape, then my curiosity for Aero may well be piqued...

You've hit the nail on the head, as so to speak, when it comes to what Windows needs to be for different people, with different uses. Given the ubiquitous nature of the operating system, it needs to offer all things for all people, which is unfortunate for Microsoft, as that's a colossal task to manage (and somewhat opposite to what they seemingly aim for now, which is 'Windows offers what we want you to want it to be'). For me, these days at least, Win10 achieves all things for me, whereas in previous years in previous roles, it never could (and mostly because of stability/bug issues).
 

Theinsanegamer

TS Evangelist
I haven't experienced any issues yet. I believe my update came in last night.
Me too. Once again we have an article with a sensational headline all for the clicks. Because you know, we have to have the clickbait to rile up the haters and trolls.

I, myself, have no issues. None. The Start Menu works as intended and I just tested it myself. I brought the Start Menu up, typed in "Control" and sure enough "Control Panel" was one of the results. So yeah... not as widespread an issue as these clickbait articles would like you to believe.
I'm glad you have come here, Holy All-Knowing-God, and let us know what the millions of windows users worldwide are experiencing based on your personal machine. Your ego is a blessing for us all.
 
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retsxel

I'm glad you have come here, Holy All-Knowing-God, and let us know what the millions of windows users worldwide are experiencing based on your personal machine. Your ego is a blessing for us all.
You're a bit late to the party and you have no room to talk about ego.
 
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kingofnerds

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Damn I must be a computer genius to never have seen a single one of these problems ever, on any of the dozens of machines Ive built. My main rig is customized to hell with various reg tweaks, scripts, disabled apps even Windows Search on my Surface... Nothing. No problems, ever.

Its most likely an end user issue, or restricted to a certain circumstance. I feel bad for most of you it sounds like you dont really know how to use a pc! Mac has got you covered they are trying to distance themselves from "personal computer" as much as possible.
Get off your self-righteous high horse mate! You answered your own condescension when you said you tweaked the hell out of the rigs you built. An average user wants to an OS to work and let them get on their business, without the hassle of workarounds every time a 100kb update screws their system.

If it was an end user issue, why would MS bother to release the patchy patches? For someone using a Surface mocking Mac users? Is it a special tier of elitism or just you?

XP was the last decent OS Microsoft ever produced.
 
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ShagnWagn

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I hope Linux Lemmings have fun with thier VERY limited penguin, Hahaaa
How is it limited? I thought it was open source and anyone can code anything for it, thus completely "open". Not like the restrictive Windows. I'm sure we can all agree that Apple is most limited, but who cares about them? :)
 

trparky

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I really do have to wonder if all the people having issues have these issues because of what they've done to their systems. People talk about tweaking this and tweaking that and then they wonder why they're having problems when they've changed their systems to be outside of the normal operating conditions.

I have installed Windows 10, installed my drivers, and that's it! Sure, I have my AV software installed and changed some privacy settings in the Settings app but beyond that I have done nothing. No tweaks, no deleting system services, no special anything. It is running as Microsoft intended the OS to run.

And then people wonder why I have no issues yet they, who applied a bunch of system tweaks, are wondering why things are broken. Gee... I wonder why. /sarcasm

These software systems are complicated systems and anytime you start messing with things you don't truly understand you open yourself up for all kinds of weird issues.
 
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These software systems are complicated systems and anytime you start messing with things you don't truly understand you open yourself up for all kinds of weird issues.
We wouldn't need to if software/OS devs would respect our rights...
 
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trparky

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Do you know how Windows was written? Do you know the code?

Didn’t think so. Therefore, how can you expect what will happen if you go tweaking God knows what?
 
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retsxel

Do you know how Windows was written? Do you know the code?

Didn’t think so. Therefore, how can you expect what will happen if you go tweaking God knows what?
No and don't need to. However limited, I do understand software coding and am very aware that it can be written to allow for user customizations of all kinds without affecting stability or functionality.
 
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trparky

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No and don't need to. However limited, I do understand software coding and am very aware that it can be written to allow for user customizations of all kinds without affecting stability or functionality.
To a certain degree you can tweak stuff and not break things but once you start messing with things like system services and deep diving into the registry you can run into issues.
 
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