More people started using Windows 7 last month

[cliffordcooley]

Wanna be hip and use win7, go ahead, but don’t bull others claiming it’s better because it’s not.

That is a matter of perspective. And clearly you lack perspective.

 

[noel24]

What a bunch of nonsense am reading. You guys full of it. Windows 10 is perfectly fine and working great. Wanna be hip and use win7, go ahead, but don’t bull others claiming it’s better because it’s not.

Well, go back to Techspot main page, scroll one page down. Windows 10 broken again for some. And it's week after week like that. That does not happen so often for Win 7 (or 8). Let's face it, Windows 10, as a service, is still in beta, so some will be reluctant to run beta program for MS.
For Me, who runs both Win7 at home and Win10 at work, Win 10 is just a mess after every major update.
Windows 7 is just stable OS - like in Operating System - It's a layer between my hardware and software I decide to run. After fresh install I just run Classic Shell, add some other tweaks and throw out some telemetry updates from WU and I'm good to go.
Windows 10 resets My settings after every iteration, or is outright broken when new version is incompatible with ClassicShell. Needs a refresh and it takes half a working day to make It look the way I want. I'm just not ready for It yet.
When Win 7 looses support I'll just buy few $ key for one of those semi-legal Windows 8.1 extracted from scrapped PCs, and run It next 3 years.
Unless MS fixes their "Service 10" sooner.

 

[ypsylon]

So as somebody who is still using both. For sheer responsiveness and flexibility I'll say that 7 is vastly superior. However 10 has some perks too. Especially if you're into PowerShell heavy use. W7 PS is outdated and utter pain. A lot of companies don't acknowledge existence of W7 anymore. No drivers is rather hard sell on W7.

Personally, I'm running locked down W10 Pro. By locked down I mean, no updates (my last update was in May'18), not in US so no Cortana rubbish, no MS "protection" features. In this form I had about 2 crashes in that entire time. I was never worried, 'will another update crap the system?'. IMHO, with W10, just install it with all updates available on the day of operation and lock it down. If you value your mental health do it. If I had to install another major (or not) botched update which would force me to reinstall everything I would probably jump out of the window. Sorry, but real life tolerates no ambiguity. Just looking at my DazStudio library and all modules, and work which would be in the blink of the eye lost (I have regular backups of course, but time is money, literally when deadlines always hover over you). No eFing way M$. You don't care about people who pay for the OS or me for my work, I don't care about your updates. Deal? Kewl.

I perfectly understand folks staying with 7. I was in the same situation many years ago with XP and Vista. I had systems running XP long after W7 conquered the world. I loved Vista even if people batter it at every opportunity. I can raise my hand and preach: never had single crash on that OS, ever.

In summary: If you have a working brain, don't download warez, browse dark net or run pirated software then you'll be fine on W7 for years to come. Especially for games. No question 7 for games just mauls 10 into oblivion. Me with locked W10 I run basically in W7 mode and couldn't care less about M$ updates.

 

[Uncle Al]

We could see the various flavors of Linux suddenly surge and there is one operating system out there (can't remember the name) that actually runs all windows programs without any affiliation to Windows ..... you can but somebody at Microsoft is trying desperately to buy them up .....

 

[hattrickpatrick]

I was a Windows 10 user until about a month ago. It was extremely uncomfortable for me. Not because it didn't work (though it did have its issues), but because of the uncertainty. Losing sleep at night over the worry that Microsoft might release a botched update and I wouldn't be able to do my job the next day. Being an IT tech, I'm able to diagnose and repair most issues myself and figure out ways to adapt. If not, I can always back my things up and format. But why? Why keep taping up this leaky bucket only to watch Bucket Corp. walk up a few times a month and poke a new hole in it?

Turns out, after going back to Windows 7 and completely disabling Windows Update so nothing whatsoever installs without my specific instructions, things are more usable for me. I'm by no means a creature of comfort here, I adapt to new technologies easily. It comes down to why, and with what to gain.

I'd rather do without their support than lose sleep over whether I'll be able to do my job tomorrow if their "support" screws something up again. With Windows Update completely locked down, I feel good that I won't see anything come through to change that, especially if they decide in the future to try "neutering" Windows 7 through updates to persuade people to switch. I certainly wouldn't put it past them.



I'm a Windows 7 user because Microsoft *isn't* listening to what I want.
I don't want their "services", I just want their operating system. I certainly don't want to have their ads and their unavoidable services installing and running in the background with no way to say "no."

I'm a Windows 7 user because Microsoft *isn't* trying hard enough.

 

[Mugsy]

I *despise* Microsoft's new "Spam Delivery System and Software Sales Tool" (aka "Windows 10".) A key reason why anyone "upgrades" to it at all is because hardware support for Win7 is quickly being phased out.

I will continue to use Windows 7 as my primary OS for a long as possible, and once I am forced to move on to support the latest hardware, I will likely make Linux my primary OS (with Win10 on a tiny dual-boot partition. I've had Ubuntu on a small partition as a secondary OS for over a decade, so the learning curve would be minimal.)

 

[Drew Valadez]

What a bunch of nonsense am reading. You guys full of it. Windows 10 is perfectly fine and working great. Wanna be hip and use win7, go ahead, but don’t bull others claiming it’s better because it’s not.

Define better. Security? Sure, that's a given. Usability? Definitely not. I guess that's subjective though just as much as MacOS users say OSX is better than Windows or vice versa.

And Windows 10 is far from perfectly fine. You shut your PC down every day and Outlook still won't open? Your PC has been on for 25 straight days, Oh you shutdown every night? Oh FastBoot is enabled causing applications to hang because users dont reboot but shutdown instead, lets disable it. BAM Windows update!Windows has enabled it again county wide.

Windows 10, is FAR from perfect, but so was Windows 7. We had less issues when we had Win7 than 10. Windows 10 is very user unfriendly for non enthusiast, I could use it at home if I could but even watching my wife who is an average PC user from M.E. to Windows 8.1, when Windows 10 came around I have never been asked for help more often than when this junk appeared.

BTW, An app default was reset.

 

[Bats Dude]

I had win 10 for all of eight minutes when ms 'premiered' it, and immediately went back to 7. I wouldn't own win 10 for any amount of graft payoffs, and ms can shove spyware laden 10 into any orifice they are uncomfortable with, and I am not alone in my disdain, as within two months of 10's original release I had over 150 custromers requesting win 7 reinstalls. Looks like Linux is going to be the ONLY way to go!

 

[Potato Judge]

All this debate on which OS is better is making my head hurt..

While I did encounter some irritating issues on my wife's Win 10 PC, I'm stuck on old hardware with my Win 7 one that is having a hard time coping up with modern games, and I hate reinstalling apps. XD

 

[treetops]

I don't see anything windows 10 has to offer. It seems like it takes more clicks to get anything done and was designed for a tablet. Until Direct X 12 becomes more widespread I will stick to Windows 7.

I like my programs, you can have your apps....

 

[Danny101]

It's a shame for me personally because I have a system that cannot run Windows 10 despite meeting the basic requirements.

I recently acquired a 2010 era Asus gaming laptop from a friend. It runs Windows 7 just fine, but unfortunately, Asus has not updated the vendor specific Radeon drivers since 2010. You'd think I could use the generic AMD Crimson or Catalyst drivers for the device, but they aren't compatible with each other and cause blue screens.

The solution? Go back to Windows 7 with working drivers or use Windows 10 without any Radeon graphics drivers. Obviously the last option is unacceptable for a gaming system, so I have to stick Windows 7 and the laptop's vendor specific drivers.

You can try and determine the specific adapter model and only install the the driver for that specific model and stay away from the catalyst manager package. Also, you can try installing it in compatibility mode allowing windows compatibility manager which basically uses the Windows 7 driver but wrapped inside a compatibility manager.

 

[lazer]

What a bunch of nonsense am reading. You guys full of it. Windows 10 is perfectly fine and working great. Wanna be hip and use win7, go ahead, but don’t bull others claiming it’s better because it’s not.

Well, go back to Techspot main page, scroll one page down. Windows 10 broken again for some. And it's week after week like that. That does not happen so often for Win 7 (or 8). Let's face it, Windows 10, as a service, is still in beta, so some will be reluctant to run beta program for MS.
For Me, who runs both Win7 at home and Win10 at work, Win 10 is just a mess after every major update.
Windows 7 is just stable OS - like in Operating System - It's a layer between my hardware and software I decide to run. After fresh install I just run Classic Shell, add some other tweaks and throw out some telemetry updates from WU and I'm good to go.
Windows 10 resets My settings after every iteration, or is outright broken when new version is incompatible with ClassicShell. Needs a refresh and it takes half a working day to make It look the way I want. I'm just not ready for It yet.
When Win 7 looses support I'll just buy few $ key for one of those semi-legal Windows 8.1 extracted from scrapped PCs, and run It next 3 years.
Unless MS fixes their "Service 10" sooner.

I have win7 and love it and I do NOT update it and have NO problems. Had win8 and had to wipe it off and re-install win7 to get my purchased programs to work with it.
Also consider Linux, have that on second computer, works great, except for my purchased programs that I need for work.

 

[SingularitE]

Maybe the unfamous win10 October update released in December has something to do with this trend. People are sick with the malware as a service doing business as usual. Others who appreciate it are just blind to the obvious for business or personal reasons.
I will never use win10 in the current form so after win7 is EOL next year I will upgrade to win8.1 with a few tweaks for UI and safety. My dilemma is that my new Ryzen/Radeon RX build has no drivers for win8.1 courtesy of AMD, so I have to mess with installing in compatibility mode or instead I have to keep my ol' Haswell/Maxwell build which is barely fast enough.

 

[Capaill]

Go back to Windows 7 with working drivers or use Windows 10 without any Radeon graphics drivers.

Did you really expect AMD to support a nine year old graphics card? If you asked AMD they'd probably laugh at you.

And that's why Windows 7 is still going strong. If it works on 7 and not on 10, then why "upgrade" to 10?
Then there's the cost. If someone (private individual or a company) is using Win 7 on old laptops / PCs or other, then going to Windows 10 involves both the cost of the new OS and the cost of new equipment. There is nothing about Windows 10 that makes the upgrade worthy of that much cost.

 

[trparky]

And that's why Windows 7 is still going strong. If it works on 7 and not on 10, then why "upgrade" to 10?

But how are you getting fixes for games? Haven't you read the changelog for graphics drivers? Usually the changelog includes fixes for this game, that game, and other games you probably never even heard about. If you don't have up-to-date hardware then you aren't getting the latest graphics card driver fixes for games and thus you can't call yourself a gamer.

When you can get a decent RX580 for under $400 USD then you really have no excuse to still be using that old POS AMD card.

 

[trparky]

As for the people who complain about Microsoft pushing ads and apps and whatever probably also walk around using a Google Android phone. Oh... I forgot, Google = Good, Microsoft = BAD!!! Oh... and Apple is bad too.

The hypocrisy is astounding. I have to step out, the hypocrisy is so thick in the air that I can't breathe.

 

[captaincranky]

What a bunch of nonsense am reading. You guys full of it. Windows 10 is perfectly fine and working great. Wanna be hip and use win7, go ahead, but don’t bull others claiming it’s better because it’s not.

Is this your first post? Did you just stop by to grant us the largess of your opinion?

We frequently get "Rookies" here, extolling the virtues of Windows 10. It always seems to raise the question, (at least in my mind), as to whether or nor, these individuals are M$ shills or bots.

The grossly unethical, ruthless, and forceful way in which Windows 10 was jammed down users throats, for me, is a salient reason to never install it.

It's crap, and chock full of unnecessary telemetry, M$ could have installed DX-12 in Windows 7 via update. But Instead, they chose to use it as blackmail against the gaming community.

Windows 10 looks great compared to Windows 8, but keep on mind, Steve Ballmer was shown the door for dropping that turd on the Windows community, desktop users on particular.

With every update, Win 10 looks more like Win 7, and acts more like "googleanalytics.exe".

Now they're trying to sell, "Windows as a service", and if they can brainwash you into believing that garbage, the next step is more than likely "Windows as a subscription".

The only way I can see a person installing this Windows 10 nonsense, is to capitulate that he or she, relinquishes the control of their computer to M$, no questions asked.

 

[trparky]

With every update, Win 10 looks more like Win 7, and acts more like "googleanalytics.exe".

But again... what smart phone do you have? Android? Thought so.

But again... Google is good, Microsoft is bad. I've just not been appropriately brainwashed.

 

[captaincranky]

But again... what smart phone do you have? Android? Thought so.

But again... Google is good, Microsoft is bad. I've just not been appropriately brainwashed.

Yeah right. I don't even own a smart phone.

Not to mention I bought a cheap[ Android tablet, and threw it away almost immediately, because it wouldn't do anything without being connected to the web

So tell me Chicken Little, is the sky really falling on my Windows 7 desktop, or is just you who likes to hear himself say it is?

 

[trparky]

Yeah right. I don't even own a smart phone.

Wait. You don't own a smart phone? What rock have you been living under?

 

[captaincranky]

Yeah yeah, and you'll be the first one to come crying that you're infected with some crap or some hacker has taken your system and your data hostage.

The day that Windows 7's support is pulled is the day that Windows 7 becomes a hacker's paradise. Mark my words, Windows 7 will be a party for the hackers of the world. No one will be safe.

I've been here for 12 years, have never asked for help with virus removal. And that's with one machine still running XP SP-3 on the web.

What you need is a secure browser, a good AV program, and some plain old common sense, not Windows 10.

As for "my data being taken hostage", I have all of that on air gapped machines. Oh, and I have all of my bills and statements sent to me on paper, via the US mail.

 

[captaincranky]

Wait. You don't own a smart phone? What rock have you been living under?

You're funny. What would I do with a smart phone? Try to friend some jacka** on Facebook while I'm driving my motorcycle.

 

[trparky]

You're funny. What would I do with a smart phone? Try to friend some jacka** on Facebook while I'm driving my motorcycle.

I use my smart phone for a whole lot more than that. I use it to browse the web on the go, watch NetFlix, Amazon Prime Video, Hulu, etc. while waiting in doctor's offices, during work breaks, etc. There's a whole lot more to smart phones than just Facebook which is something that I've been avoiding like the plague lately.

What you need is a secure browser, a good AV program, and some plain old common sense, not Windows 10.

Not if the OS itself, the kernel, is vulnerable. And trust me, Windows is a steaming pile of crap. There's a hell of a lot of bugs to be found in the kernel and surrounding OS and trust me, they will be found and used against users. We've seen it happen time and time again at hacker conventions like Blackhat where they find ways to break out of browser sandboxes to attack the OS itself. It's just a matter of time until Windows 7 is hacked to shreds. Better to pick up Linux than to stay on Windows 7.

 

[captaincranky]

I use my smart phone for a whole lot more than that. I use it to browse the web on the go, watch NetFlix, Amazon Prime Video, Hulu, etc. while waiting in doctor's offices, during work breaks, etc. There's a whole lot more to smart phones than just Facebook which is something that I've been avoiding like the plague lately.

It's obvious that you're a millennial, and you know not whereof you speak. Better phrased "internet junkie".

BTW, you could always load movies or TV episodes onto a cheap tablet, and take that along to your proctologist's office. No web required. Or are you so addicted that you need the web to either, "channel surf", or are simply incapable of deciding on one given piece of media.

I get my FREE TV, off the air. If I want to watch a movie, I'll go to Redbox, rent one, and watch it on my 55" TV in 6 channel surround sound. If you think watching "Avatar" on some rinky-dink 6" phone screen with a pair of ear buds jacked into the aforementioned crappy phone is the way life is too be lived, then you deserve pity, which unfortunately will not be forthcoming from me..

Not if the OS itself, the kernel, is vulnerable. And trust me, Windows is a steaming pile of crap. There's a hell of a lot of bugs to be found in the kernel and surrounding OS and trust me, they will be found and used against users. We've seen it happen time and time again at hacker conventions like Blackhat where they find ways to break out of browser sandboxes to attack the OS itself. It's just a matter of time until Windows 7 is hacked to shreds. Better to pick up Linux than to stay on Windows 7.

You've absorbed so much propaganda, you're so web dependent, and so paranoid, it's useless trying to reason with you.

Do you even own an "air gapped computer" Or is your one desktop your gaming machine, a family finance machine, and also tasked with "contributing" here at Techspot, all rolled into one?

 

[Danny101]

I wonder how corporations deal with the telemetry of Windows 10. I suspect probably not. That would be a litigation nightmare. Time for consumers to have a class-action lawsuit against Microsoft, Google, and Apple for all the spying. I wouldn't even leave out the government in this suit. Will any law firm have the balls to file it?