Multiple rumors point to the RTX 3090's very high price

[neeyik]

Did you see a $999 2080Ti? especially at launch

Can’t remember, to be honest, as it was a good while ago. Those were the MSRPs no AIB vendor is obliged to stick to them, of course. I do recall chatting to a manager of one UK’s biggest online retailers and he said the demand for them was far higher than expected, despite the big price hike over the 1080 Ti. If that was consistent across the globe, it’s not hard to see why the price of 2080 Ti went beyond its MSRP.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Hmm apart from lacking any RT or DLSS features cards based on RDNA1 perform better than their nVidia counterparts at the same price In UK at least, RX5600XT is faster than GTX1660, RX5700 is faster than RTX2060, RX5700XT is faster than RTX2060S and on pair with RTX2070. Obviously nVidia wins with 2070S+ but the price premium for anything above that card doesn't translate to a huge performance gains so in my opinion buying 2080Ti over even 2070S is very questionable because for over 100% higher price I don't get anywhere near extra 100% performance. Obviously if you after the best then 2080Ti is your only choice but I wouldn't call 5700XT a slow card its not that much slower than RTX2080 for example and when Radeon VII launched it was like 7% behind the 2080 so they aren't exactly on the low end of performance

Um... what part of HIGH end did you not get?
2080, 2080Ti and Titan have 0 competition from AMD... and anyone who bought the Radeon VII for gaming purposes (yes, it was marketed as a gaming GPU) was a fool, as it cost the same as a 2080 and didn’t perform as well...

The AMD lineup competes against the mid-tier Nvidia cards... sometimes favourably, sometimes not... but there is ZERO competition in the high end GPU market.

 

[Evernessince]

All other things being equal: you could easily boost the price of console to $2000 simply by upgrading the hard drive it comes with to an 8 TB SSD.

Or you could give it the power of a 2080 Ti instead of the 2080.


Just the 2080 Ti and an 8TB SSD will run you $2000 in today’s money - never mind all the rest of the parts you need to have a console.

I’m noticing more and more people realizing that 4K textures require 4K storage space and also require 4k processing resources. A lot of these people playing Microsoft flight simulator right now aren’t happy with the frame rates.

Or just use a 1TB PCIe 4.0 SSD as cache to an 8TB hard drive and save $600 USD. It'd be faster than an 8TB PCIe 3.0 SSD to boot.

I haven't seen a news article on it but AMD released StoreMI 2.0 not that long ago. It's free and it lets you use any SSD to cache any number of other drives. Due to the way the cache works, you only have to store the frequently accessed game files on the cache, meaning you can far more effective space than if you had stored the whole game on the SSD. Talking 1/12th the space usage. A 1TB SSD cache is more effective space than a single 8TB SSD.

 

[nnguy2]

The only thing they have I buy is their stock. Eventually it will make me as much profit as Nvidia.

If you had bought AMD anytime before 2018, you would have had better returns on their stock than Nvidia.

I bought amd when they were $5 in summer to 2016. I'm laughing all the way to the bank now.

 

[Adi6293]

Can’t remember, to be honest, as it was a good while ago. Those were the MSRPs no AIB vendor is obliged to stick to them, of course. I do recall chatting to a manager of one UK’s biggest online retailers and he said the demand for them was far higher than expected, despite the big price hike over the 1080 Ti. If that was consistent across the globe, it’s not hard to see why the price of 2080 Ti went beyond its MSRP.

Well there was not $1000 RTX2080Ti when they first came out, getting one now is not easy. Plus this whole FE model being more expensive than AIB's its another swindle from nVidia. Why would any aib sell their cards for less than FE with mostly better coolers? they wont so in reality if RTX3090 is $1500 we are getting 100% price bump in 3 years if you compare GTX1080Ti to RTX3090......

 

[Rdmetz]

You all gave them a green light when you bough 2080Ti. Enjoy.

I'm glad I did I got almost 2 years of top tier gaming for $1125 and just recently sold it in prep for this at $1000.

$125 for 2 years of the best gaming on the planet?

Yea I'm good for a $1500 card (more like $500 to me anyways) and I'm sure when the 4090 comes out I'll easily clear another $1200 or more from its sale.

 

[Rdmetz]

Well there was not $1000 RTX2080Ti when they first came out, getting one now is not easy. Plus this whole FE model being more expensive than AIB's its another swindle from nVidia. Why would any aib sell their cards for less than FE with mostly better coolers? they wont so in reality if RTX3090 is $1500 we are getting 100% price bump in 3 years if you compare GTX1080Ti to RTX3090......

Oh well performance should be about triple too (well little less but with Ray tracing) if you buy yourself 3 1080ti you DEFINITELY won't be competing anywhere near it. That's for sure.

I learned a long time ago the best way to stay in high end pc gaming is to stay at the top and sell off parts when they have as much value as possible.

It's kept me in the best gaming gpu you could have since 2012-2020 and on average my costs of upgrading have only been about $300 a year.

I just got back 88%of what I paid for my 2080ti from almost 2 years ago.

Smart buying and selling can keep you spending less than many while still having better performance.

 

[Rdmetz]

How would anyone be surprised? Wasting $2000 on a GPU ain't my cup of tea, I can build a whole PC for that amount that will play games maxed out at 1440p above 60 FPS. I guess I'm not an "enthusiast" enough.

I started chasing 4k/60 in 2013 and it's when I started going from mid upper stuff to high end only (and 2x in sli) I managed my goal within a generation or 2 and was satisfied til I got a whiff of 4k/120 so that's been my goal for a year now I've got the screen now and am only waiting for a gpu that can't actually output a big enough bandwidth to actually fill it.

I'm just saying every one thinks what they consider elite to be but I'm reality almost none of us are anywhere near what we claim to be.

Even my dreams fall short of many (but I can't suspect too many) lol

 

[Rdmetz]

Exactly, buying at launch when the full lineup (performance and prices) is not revealed is a bad idea. Also a bad idea until we can see what AMD has to offer with Big Navi.

I'm betting like I have for years on Nvidia and their recent strategies of putting out the top stuff first and then just shuffling and adding cards underneath that for the gen.

It worked out well fore last time and I have have 0 faith amd will compete any higher than a 3080 (if even that I've been hearing 3070).

With that said by buying Nvidia best like I have in the past years whether a replacement t comes within a few months or takes a few years I'll have a much easier time selling it and for more of its original value than anything else on the market.

The start kept me in sli 780-1080ti (and each and every non ti and ti in between) along with a 2080 ti which I've recently sold for 88%of what I paid.

My entire upgrade costs averaged out over the last 8 years has only cost me $300 a year.

Well worth less than a dollar a day to stay at the absolute best in pc gaming for almost a decade.

Plus what ever the next best costs I've already got a "free" $1000 of its cost covered from selling my previous card which has passed significant "value" on from each of its predecessors.

 

[Rdmetz]

Not a hypocrite, just smart.... when it comes to GPUs anyways... anyone who is buying AMD and expecting high-end performance is a fool. Nvidia has dominated the high end for years and until big Navi actually gets benchmarked, there is 0 reason to expect otherwise.

The reason their stock is skyrocketing is based on their CPUs.... THOSE I’d put in just about any new build as they’re superior to Intel’s offerings in almost any use case.

Except the ones where having a ultra high end gpu makes sense.

Hence why I have a 10900k oc 5.2 all core @1.32v over anything else (of which I bought for $217 since selling my old 7700k for almost $300 3 years after buying it for $340)

Thats another reason for buying Intel resale value that blows amd out of the water.

AMD can rule every other situation and it won't matter my ultra high end gaming pc deserves the ultra high end gaming cpu to go with it.

 

[cldmstrsn]

If this is the case then they very well could have a 3080 Ti

 

[Rdmetz]

Did you see a $999 2080Ti? especially at launch

Oh they were out there they had blower fans and the non "a (or might have been the" a" chip I can't remember) whichever was the weaker chips.

But they were also sold out constantly because people will sacrifice anything for a couple bucks.

I tried a 999.lack edition and though it was a decent enough card not being able tood its bios to a higher power draw and watching it bounce off the power limit constantly when oc I had to return and spend the extra $125 to get a real "reference" card.

Super glad I did as I got a card that oc higher than many of the $1400+ cards.

It did 2125mhz without a problem and barley no tweaking I felt so good with it I didn't even worry about the bios mod (but still felt better knowing it was an option).

 

[Rdmetz]

You ameature scanvergers suck. It is made in China and 2080Ti was usually above 10K CNY in China. So not that more expensive.

Right costs there are automatically higher for a number of political and socioeconomical reasons.

I don't understand it all myself but from what I've seen a $2000 card there is more like a $1400-1600 one every where else. (ie in US)

 

[Rdmetz]

Hmm apart from lacking any RT or DLSS features cards based on RDNA1 perform better than their nVidia counterparts at the same price In UK at least, RX5600XT is faster than GTX1660, RX5700 is faster than RTX2060, RX5700XT is faster than RTX2060S and on pair with RTX2070. Obviously nVidia wins with 2070S+ but the price premium for anything above that card doesn't translate to a huge performance gains so in my opinion buying 2080Ti over even 2070S is very questionable because for over 100% higher price I don't get anywhere near extra 100% performance. Obviously if you after the best then 2080Ti is your only choice but I wouldn't call 5700XT a slow card its not that much slower than RTX2080 for example and when Radeon VII launched it was like 7% behind the 2080 so they aren't exactly on the low end of performance

The fact that benchmarks had the 5700xt up to 14% slower than the 3 year old 1080ti (and those available for around the same and many times less) to me the 5700xt never made sense. It's also lacking any other DLSS rtx stuff and I don't care what you feel about those things but they add major value (especially DLSS) and I think with more and more time we will see t r "value proposition" between these different architectures grow even wider.

8 said it then and still think it today the rdna1 cards were a dead end waste of time.

Nothing but a stop gap to keep them from looking like utter trash but were really cards with no future beyond 2020 planned out.

No Dx12u no rt no DLSS type tech it's a slower 1080ti that costs more and is much more likely to stay a dead paperweight than it is to actually work in your computer.

My 3 interactions with a 5700xt were all dead cards one of which made the system even with its previous gpu unbootable.

No Bueno

 

[Adi6293]

The fact that benchmarks had the 5700xt up to 14% slower than the 3 year old 1080ti (and those available for around the same and many times less) to me the 5700xt never made sense. It's also lacking any other DLSS rtx stuff and I don't care what you feel about those things but they add major value (especially DLSS) and I think with more and more time we will see t r "value proposition" between these different architectures grow even wider.

8 said it then and still think it today the rdna1 cards were a dead end waste of time.

Nothing but a stop gap to keep them from looking like utter trash but were really cards with no future beyond 2020 planned out.

No Dx12u no rt no DLSS type tech it's a slower 1080ti that costs more and is much more likely to stay a dead paperweight than it is to actually work in your computer.

My 3 interactions with a 5700xt were all dead cards one of which made the system even with its previous gpu unbootable.

No Bueno

5700XT 14% slower than 1080Ti? Where are you getting these numbers? Plus 5700XT is priced the same as RTX2060S and its faster than 2060S, do you see 2060S a dead weight? Plus who would buy used second hand card for the same price as a new card? Only fool in my opinion you get no warranty, if it breaks the money its gone.....

 

[Evernessince]

I'm glad I did I got almost 2 years of top tier gaming for $1125 and just recently sold it in prep for this at $1000.

$125 for 2 years of the best gaming on the planet?

Yea I'm good for a $1500 card (more like $500 to me anyways) and I'm sure when the 4090 comes out I'll easily clear another $1200 or more from its sale.

You mean $1,125 plus tax. Your return was likely $1,000 minus selling and shipping fees (which for eBay average around 18% if you don't have a store). If someone paid $1,000 direct for that card (HWS or Facebook marketplace) they got robbed (although there still is a 3.5 + 50 cent fee). $800 USD is the going price for the 2080 Ti on those kinds of places and they come with their own set of risks. Of course eBay does too but the risk is less.

So really the cost of having that card is: (Sale of prior GPU) - (Initial investment amount + cost of upgrade + transaction, sale, and shipping fees)

Your equation would look like this ($1000) - ($1125 + $1500 (assumed price of new card) + ($1000 * 0.18 + 26)

Your total investment: -$1,831

If you sell your $1,125 card for $1000, that's not you making $1000. That's you recouping a portion of your original investment as shown by the equation above. It does not change the fact that you are still down $1,125 from your initial investment in the card The $1,500 number above is being generous as well, as the article states it could very well be $2,000, which would bring your total investment over -$2,000.

FYI you didn't get the best possible gaming either. That distinction belongs to higher end RTX 2080 Ti models. At $1,125, your card seems to be a bottom of the barrel model. Given that the 2080 Ti released on September 28th, 2018 your two year claim seems to suggest that you bought at launch (technically the 2080 Ti has only been out for 1 year 11 months). Most decent AIB models were $1,300 or up if you wanted something that beat stock performance.

 

[Adi6293]

You mean $1,125 plus tax. Your return was likely $1,000 minus selling and shipping fees (which for eBay average around 18% if you don't have a store). If someone paid $1,000 direct for that card (HWS or Facebook marketplace) they got robbed (although there still is a 3.5 + 50 cent fee). $800 USD is the going price for the 2080 Ti on those kinds of places and they come with their own set of risks. Of course eBay does too but the risk is less.

So really the cost of having that card is: (Sale of prior GPU) - (Initial investment amount + cost of upgrade + transaction, sale, and shipping fees)

Your equation would look like this ($1000) - ($1125 + $1500 (assumed price of new card) + ($1000 * 0.18 + 26)

Your total investment: -$1,831

If you sell your $1,125 card for $1000, that's not you making $1000. That's you recouping a portion of your original investment as shown by the equation above. It does not change the fact that you are still down $1,125 from your initial investment in the card The $1,500 number about is being generous as well, as the article states it could very well be $2,000, which would bring your total investment over -$2,000.

FYI you didn't get the best possible gaming either. That distinction belongs to higher end RTX 2080 Ti models. At $1,125, your card seems to be a bottom of the barrel model. Given that the 2080 Ti released on September 28th, 2018 your two year claim seems to suggest that you bought at launch (technically the 2080 Ti has only been out for 1 year 11 months). Most decent AIB models were $1,300 or up if you wanted something that beat stock performance.

Yeah I do wonder where he found a person who would pay $1000 for a second hand 2080Ti this close to next gen. I would not pay more than $700 for it, if we go by nVidia's usual performance gains RTX3070 shouldn't be far off it and probably will beat it in RT for around that price so even $700 is a stretch

 

[Bp968]

Or just use a 1TB PCIe 4.0 SSD as cache to an 8TB hard drive and save $600 USD. It'd be faster than an 8TB PCIe 3.0 SSD to boot.

I haven't seen a news article on it but AMD released StoreMI 2.0 not that long ago. It's free and it lets you use any SSD to cache any number of other drives. Due to the way the cache works, you only have to store the frequently accessed game files on the cache, meaning you can far more effective space than if you had stored the whole game on the SSD. Talking 1/12th the space usage. A 1TB SSD cache is more effective space than a single 8TB SSD.

Be careful here. A cache drive will cause *much* higher drive writes than a normal SSD would deal with. If you do that to a QLC or even a smaller TLC drive you will kill it fairly quickly.

 

[amghwk]

People bought the already eye-watering priced 2080Ti, and yet, it couldn't even keep a minimum 60fps @ 4K in ALL games available games, keeping in mind the illogical amount of money spent on it.

Anyway, suckers will buy anything to boast with and throw any sense and wisdom away.

 

[Squid Surprise]

People bought the already eye-watering priced 2080Ti, and yet, it couldn't even keep a minimum 60fps @ 4K in ALL games available games, keeping in mind the illogical amount of money spent on it.

Anyway, suckers will buy anything to boast with and throw any sense and wisdom away.

That’s actually an argument FOR buying it.... if the 2080Ti can’t play every game at max settings, certainly no other card will either....

 

[Evernessince]

Be careful here. A cache drive will cause *much* higher drive writes than a normal SSD would deal with. If you do that to a QLC or even a smaller TLC drive you will kill it fairly quickly.

StoreMii is a read cache, not a write cache. You write game files to the SSD once and after that it's just reading data from the cache. Unless you delete the cache for some reason, those files will never have to be re-written. A majority of people will get up to a 99.5% cache hit ratio after 2 weeks. I'd easily argue that a cache drive uses much less writes than had you installed the games directly to the SSD.

Now you can use an SSD as a write and read cache with something like PrimoCache but that's an entirely different program. It can be used to accelerate writes to hard disks. Someone using that program though is going to know their stuff as it is not the most user friendly.

That’s actually an argument FOR buying it.... if the 2080Ti can’t play every game at max settings, certainly no other card will either....

That's a pretty cynical reason for buying a video card. It's like bragging you got a 40 / 100 on a test to the person who got a 37.

 

[Squid Surprise]

That's a pretty cynical reason for buying a video card. It's like bragging you got a 40 / 100 on a test to the person who got a 37.

Didn’t say it was a GOOD reason.... but if you want the best, the 2080Ti is it (not including the Titan of course)...
For some flagship products, they are unnecessary purchases since cheaper models do everything fine (like CPUs, where the 3990 is overkill for almost everyone)...
But with GPUs, we can see that even the 2080Ti can’t run everything - so getting the cheaper card actually isn’t “good enough” in every case.

 

[krizby]

New fab node - check
New memory tech - check
Improved RTX cores - check
Improved tensor cores - check
Improved cooler design - check
Improved VRM design - check

Nvidia is just relentless in their pursuit of technological advancement. I would gladly pay extra just to experience these sort of improvements on each progressing generation. The same can't be said to Intel and AMD GPU (AMD CPU is interesting) where they just sell you the same thing for cheaper...

 

[amghwk]

I believe there's no point paying a 200% increased price for a gain of 20% performance.

Which is hardly noticeable practically.

What one is paying for is for the leading numbers in the graphs of benchmarks.

 

[Watzupken]

The fact that benchmarks had the 5700xt up to 14% slower than the 3 year old 1080ti (and those available for around the same and many times less) to me the 5700xt never made sense. It's also lacking any other DLSS rtx stuff and I don't care what you feel about those things but they add major value (especially DLSS) and I think with more and more time we will see t r "value proposition" between these different architectures grow even wider.

8 said it then and still think it today the rdna1 cards were a dead end waste of time.

Nothing but a stop gap to keep them from looking like utter trash but were really cards with no future beyond 2020 planned out.

No Dx12u no rt no DLSS type tech it's a slower 1080ti that costs more and is much more likely to stay a dead paperweight than it is to actually work in your computer.

My 3 interactions with a 5700xt were all dead cards one of which made the system even with its previous gpu unbootable.

No Bueno

It is factual that the RX 5700XT can be slower than the GTX 1080 Ti. But there are also cases where the mid range RX 5700XT is faster than the GTX 1080 Ti. The 1080 Ti is much older as compared to the 5700XT, but these cards are targeting different market segments during their time. Considering that you need a RTX 2070 Super to consistently do better than the 1080 Ti, I don't think there is anything wrong for the mid range 5700XT to hover around the performance of the 1080 Ti. I've used the 1080 Ti for some time, and despite the age, it is still a formidable graphic card in face of Turing and RDNA.

As for RT and DLSS, I feel these are just icing on the cake. Nvidia made a conscious decision to spend significant die space to include the RT and Tensor cores, which could have been invested to beef up the specs of the GPU. While it is good to see Nvidia taking the lead to bring in some new technology in the graphic space, however I would say that the RT feature is too much for the hardware to process at this point. So you gain RT capability, but need to downgrade all other aspect that affects graphic, I.e. resolution, etc. DLSS was meant to complement RT and address the resolution downgrade issue, but Nvidia botched up DLSS for some time before they introduced DLSS 2.0 late last year or early this year, which is almost at the tail end of the lifespan of Turing. Based on Nvidia's usual behavior, once Ampere arrives, you can kiss goodbye to driver optimizations for Turing since Nvidia tends to introduce proprietary features, which older hardware will not be able to support.