Multiple rumors point to the RTX 3090's very high price

[Shadowboxer]

With the sorry state of AMDs dreadful cards and drivers Nvidia can charge what they like.

I’ve recently switched from AMD to Nvidia after 7 years of mostly AMD and its such a vast difference. It’s a shame because I grew up with powerful Radeons, the 9700 pro, X800XT, Radeon was much different back then. Now it’s just buggy budget stuff.

 

[Nobina]

I started chasing 4k/60 in 2013 and it's when I started going from mid upper stuff to high end only (and 2x in sli) I managed my goal within a generation or 2 and was satisfied til I got a whiff of 4k/120 so that's been my goal for a year now I've got the screen now and am only waiting for a gpu that can't actually output a big enough bandwidth to actually fill it.

I'm just saying every one thinks what they consider elite to be but I'm reality almost none of us are anywhere near what we claim to be.

Even my dreams fall short of many (but I can't suspect too many) lol

Most people are just trying to play games at acceptable framerates and details. Nobody cares about 4K, especially 4K@60 or 120 FPS. The benefit of 4K is small and the price you have to pay for it is ridiculous for someone who isn't chasing numbers.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Most people are just trying to play games at acceptable framerates and details. Nobody cares about 4K, especially 4K@60 or 120 FPS. The benefit of 4K is small and the price you have to pay for it is ridiculous for someone who isn't chasing numbers.

Going from 1440p to 4K is a bigger jump than 1080p to 1440p or 720p to 1080p. I think people will pay the prices to game at 4K, especially once they have seen it. I have never seen a monitor running 4K120 but I bet it’s an incredible experience.

Sure some won’t care and are happy to buy a budget box to game at 1080p or whatever but there are a lot of us who enjoy the “bleeding edge”.

 

[Adi6293]

Going from 1440p to 4K is a bigger jump than 1080p to 1440p or 720p to 1080p. I think people will pay the prices to game at 4K, especially once they have seen it. I have never seen a monitor running 4K120 but I bet it’s an incredible experience.

Sure some won’t care and are happy to buy a budget box to game at 1080p or whatever but there are a lot of us who enjoy the “bleeding edge”.

I game at 4K@60 and I love it but that is that, I would not waste any more money to get it running at 120fps especially when the monitors with that refresh rate are either 27" which is too small for me or 43" which is too big, I use 32" which is perfect. You are also right, once you see 4K you cant "unsee" it, my wife playes on a 27" 1440p monitor and sometimes I use her PC and the picture looks pixelated in a lot of games : - P

 

[Shadowboxer]

I game at 4K@60 and I love it but that is that, I would not waste any more money to get it running at 120fps especially when the monitors with that refresh rate are either 27" which is too small for me or 43" which is too big, I use 32" which is perfect. You are also right, once you see 4K you cant "unsee" it, my wife playes on a 27" 1440p monitor and sometimes I use her PC and the picture looks pixelated in a lot of games : - P

Well, you may not think it’s worth it now. But I have a feeling the cost of 4k60 or greater is about to come tumbling down with the new gen of Nvidia cards. Couple that with DLSS 2.0’s 4x scaling and we could within a few months be in a situation where some AAA 4K60 gaming can be achieved on budget Nvidia card. And I think the “enthusiast” end of the market will see the 3090 driving 4K120 for those who are prepared to pay. I do think 4K will be the new 1080p and it is going to be around for years and years.

Value is subjective and hugely variable but on the whole I think the market has a huge demand for expensive powerful hardware. If you look at most other sports or hobby’s, people who are into it are almost always spending more than top PC gaming enthusiasts spend on their rigs. Why would PC hobbyists be particularly more tight fisted than anyone else? There’s a market for $2000 graphics cards and we are going to have to get used to that.

 

[Adi6293]

Well, you may not think it’s worth it now. But I have a feeling the cost of 4k60 or greater is about to come tumbling down with the new gen of Nvidia cards. Couple that with DLSS 2.0’s 4x scaling and we could within a few months be in a situation where some AAA 4K60 gaming can be achieved on budget Nvidia card. And I think the “enthusiast” end of the market will see the 3090 driving 4K120 for those who are prepared to pay. I do think 4K will be the new 1080p and it is going to be around for years and years.

Value is subjective and hugely variable but on the whole I think the market has a huge demand for expensive powerful hardware. If you look at most other sports or hobby’s, people who are into it are almost always spending more than top PC gaming enthusiasts spend on their rigs. Why would PC hobbyists be particularly more tight fisted than anyone else? There’s a market for $2000 graphics cards and we are going to have to get used to that.

I know that value is subjective and hugely variable, I had this discussion with my brother who is unemployed and buys used stuff because for him everything is expensive, I have a half decent job so I can afford a decent PC but I have limits, around £800 is probably my max for a GPU that I wouldn't want to go over too much, mostly because I don't game as much as I used to so I feel like I'm wasting my money. I would rather spent it on my kid but again if I wasn't married and had no kids on my current income I probably would be one of those people buying RTX3090

 

[neeyik]

I always used to get the top end model (and often 2 for SLI, when it used to work...). It stopped with my last big spend, a Titan X (Pascal) - partly because of the way that Nvidia complete killed it by releasing the 1080 Ti, rapidly followed by the Titan Xp, but mostly because it's replacement (2080 Super) was almost half the price, but performed just as well or better.

On a professional level, I can't wait to dig into the guts of Ampere, but on a personal level, I'm dreading what the prices are going to be like.

 

[Shadowboxer]

I know that value is subjective and hugely variable, I had this discussion with my brother who is unemployed and buys used stuff because for him everything is expensive, I have a half decent job so I can afford a decent PC but I have limits, around £800 is probably my max for a GPU that I wouldn't want to go over too much, mostly because I don't game as much as I used to so I feel like I'm wasting my money. I would rather spent it on my kid but again if I wasn't married and had no kids on my current income I probably would be one of those people buying RTX3090

My main hobby is scuba diving, I spend over $10,000 a year on it when you add up the flights, hotels, dive shop fees, national park fees, kit servicing, boat fees, insurances, new wetsuits (every year almost) and I could go on, a good dive torch can cost the same as a 3950X for a example.

However this year with the whole global pandemic I only made only one trip - to Egypt and currently still don’t have anything more booked. Being stuck at home I decided to upgrade my rig and for me the prices are still quite low compared to what I would be spending on diving if there were no pandemic.

Sometimes my friends ask me how I afford it, simple, I’m a tech professional and I have no kids! That does seem to be the common theme!

 

[Karl Hungus]

Not really the point of waiting and comparing. If you have the money to pay for the best then do it.

I have the money...but I also have a life...

 

[Karl Hungus]

Going from 1440p to 4K is a bigger jump than 1080p to 1440p or 720p to 1080p. I think people will pay the prices to game at 4K, especially once they have seen it. I have never seen a monitor running 4K120 but I bet it’s an incredible experience.

Sure some won’t care and are happy to buy a budget box to game at 1080p or whatever but there are a lot of us who enjoy the “bleeding edge”.

No, you are a VERY small minority...the nerd-elite if there is such a thing. One question...if you told adult friends that you spend $5,000 to play games, what is their reaction?

 

[Shadowboxer]

No, you are a VERY small minority...the nerd-elite if there is such a thing. One question...if you told adult friends that you spend $5,000 to play games, what is their reaction?

I haven’t spent $5000 to play games so I’d be lying. Many of my “adult friends” spend similar amounts to me. Some less, some more. Personally I spend far more on other hobbies. Like scuba diving, where I spend an average of $10,000 a year. That fact would more likely shock my “adult friends” but not the ones who dive too!

I think you’re wrong, I think a lot of people will be interested in spending $2000 on a rig that can run 4K. And when these new Nvidia cards drop I reckon that will be very possible. It’s already possible if you just want to lower a couple of settings. The demand for the RTX 2080ti was greater than expected and that card sold out very quickly when it was launched.

The fact is people are willing to spend their money on these parts, if they weren’t the prices would be coming down and not going up.

 

[Adi6293]

My main hobby is scuba diving, I spend over $10,000 a year on it when you add up the flights, hotels, dive shop fees, national park fees, kit servicing, boat fees, insurances, new wetsuits (every year almost) and I could go on, a good dive torch can cost the same as a 3950X for a example.

However this year with the whole global pandemic I only made only one trip - to Egypt and currently still don’t have anything more booked. Being stuck at home I decided to upgrade my rig and for me the prices are still quite low compared to what I would be spending on diving if there were no pandemic.

Sometimes my friends ask me how I afford it, simple, I’m a tech professional and I have no kids! That does seem to be the common theme!

No having kids its only good for so long, eventually no amount of scuba diving or gaming at 4K at 120fps will make you happy, people like myself will often say I cant or wont buy something because I have kid(s) but none of us would change our lives : - )

 

[Karl Hungus]

I haven’t spent $5000 to play games so I’d be lying. Many of my “adult friends” spend similar amounts to me. Some less, some more. Personally I spend far more on other hobbies. Like scuba diving, where I spend an average of $10,000 a year. That fact would more likely shock my “adult friends” but not the ones who dive too!

I think you’re wrong, I think a lot of people will be interested in spending $2000 on a rig that can run 4K. And when these new Nvidia cards drop I reckon that will be very possible. It’s already possible if you just want to lower a couple of settings. The demand for the RTX 2080ti was greater than expected and that card sold out very quickly when it was launched.

The fact is people are willing to spend their money on these parts, if they weren’t the prices would be coming down and not going up.

$2,000 for a 4K rig? Not when you're spending $1,500 on the video card alone. I work in an engineering firm with 70 people (of all ages) and I've worked in many offices and jobs in the last 30 years, and I can't even find anyone that owns a desktop computer anymore (maybe they're too embarrassed to admit they play games), so who are these people exactly? The number of people (in the world, not on a tech forum) playing games at 4K is VERY tiny, the stats don't lie.

 

[treetops]

Babbling brook of bull

 

[Shadowboxer]

$2,000 for a 4K rig? Not when you're spending $1,500 on the video card alone. I work in an engineering firm with 70 people (of all ages) and I've worked in many offices and jobs in the last 30 years, and I can't even find anyone that owns a desktop computer anymore (maybe they're too embarrassed to admit they play games), so who are these people exactly? The number of people (in the world, not on a tech forum) playing games at 4K is VERY tiny, the stats don't lie.

Yes $2000 for a 4K rig. You can play games at 4K without a 2080ti. If you think you “need” a $1500 GPU to play at 4K then you don’t understand these systems.

Just because you don’t know anyone personally who spends that money on a rig doesn’t mean no one else is. Just watch, the top end parts will sell out on this launch.

The market for expensive components is bigger than you think, remember this;

Nvidia's sold out of the RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition, but here's where you can still get it

The latest from Nvidia seems to be a hot item, as the firm's website has sold out of the RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition. But, there is still hope, as you can find the card but with a small caveat.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Shadowboxer]

No having kids its only good for so long, eventually no amount of scuba diving or gaming at 4K at 120fps will make you happy, people like myself will often say I cant or wont buy something because I have kid(s) but none of us would change our lives : - )

You seem quite keen to tell me that. Who are you convincing? Me or you? Lol. Il have kids, my girlfriend will leave me if we don’t! But we are taking an 18 month sabbatical to dive around the world before we do, unfortunately this pandemic has put that on hold I think, although maybe not, we were due to leave next year.

Kids are important but travel is more important. I’ve met loads of people over the years, especially when I was a diving instructor, who when travelling say they wish they did more when they were younger. Almost everyone has kids, not everyone gets to see the world. And doing it all after you have kids and your old just doesn’t cut it.

 

[Adi6293]

You seem quite keen to tell me that. Who are you convincing? Me or you? Lol. Il have kids, my girlfriend will leave me if we don’t! But we are taking an 18 month sabbatical to dive around the world before we do, unfortunately this pandemic has put that on hold I think, although maybe not, we were due to leave next year.

Kids are important but travel is more important. I’ve met loads of people over the years, especially when I was a diving instructor, who when travelling say they wish they did more when they were younger. Almost everyone has kids, not everyone gets to see the world. And doing it all after you have kids and your old just doesn’t cut it.

I not trying to convince either of us : - ) I have my son with my ex, my wife is undecided about kids but we spoke about it and if she does want them we will probably have 2. I agree about travel and seeing the world I do wish I've done more of that too but my financial situation wasn't the best when I was 18 - 24, then I had my son, I did go to few places, last year we went to Mexico for 2 weeks for the honeymoon, I was hoping to save up for a house over this and next year and then go back to traveling but this pandemic has ruined my plans : - (

 

[Puiu]

I haven’t spent $5000 to play games so I’d be lying. Many of my “adult friends” spend similar amounts to me. Some less, some more. Personally I spend far more on other hobbies. Like scuba diving, where I spend an average of $10,000 a year. That fact would more likely shock my “adult friends” but not the ones who dive too!

I think you’re wrong, I think a lot of people will be interested in spending $2000 on a rig that can run 4K. And when these new Nvidia cards drop I reckon that will be very possible. It’s already possible if you just want to lower a couple of settings. The demand for the RTX 2080ti was greater than expected and that card sold out very quickly when it was launched.

The fact is people are willing to spend their money on these parts, if they weren’t the prices would be coming down and not going up.

I'm calling doubt on your "friends" spending that much for games. I'm also calling double doubt on you spending that much on your vacations/extra hobbies. You should not lie, its not nice.

 

[Shadowboxer]

I'm calling doubt on your "friends" spending that much for games. I'm also calling double doubt on you spending that much on your vacations/extra hobbies. You should not lie, its not nice.

Hahaha. I definitely do spend that, in fact last year I probably spent more than $10,000 when you add up all the flights and hotels I used to go diving.

I don’t really care if some reprobate on the TechSpot forum thinks I’m lying ?. I don’t need to explain myself to you. All il do is ask you to explain how else my Instagram shows so many different global diving locations with me in them last year if I didn’t pay for the flights? Lol.

Jealousy is an ugly emotion mate..

 

[Puiu]

Hahaha. I definitely do spend that, in fact last year I probably spent more than $10,000 when you add up all the flights and hotels I used to go diving.

I don’t really care if some reprobate on the TechSpot forum thinks I’m lying ?. I don’t need to explain myself to you. All il do is ask you to explain how else my Instagram shows so many different global diving locations with me in them last year if I didn’t pay for the flights? Lol.

Jealousy is an ugly emotion mate..

Lying is not nice. You don't need to "explain" things we already know not to be true.

You may have had that 1 dream vacation once, but don't make it sound like it's normal. And it's 100% not normal for buying games and your friend spending the same huge amounts for gaming.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Lying is not nice.

Aww, are you jealous?

Im not lying. Why do you think I am?

 

[Shadowboxer]

Lying is not nice. You don't need to "explain" things we already know not to be true.

You may have had that 1 dream vacation once, but don't make it sound like it's normal. And it's 100% not normal for buying games and your friend spending the same huge amounts for gaming.

I get it, you’re jealous. You’re probably 45 years old, earning minimum wage with 2 kids that think you’re a joke.

However unfortunately for you, nothing I have said is a lie. If you think £2000 on a rig isn’t normal then you don’t understand the industry. Although we already knew that ?.

 

[neeyik]

@Puiu @Shadowboxer Take it to PMs now, thank you

 

[Zinixo]

Me and several of my friends [ and I bet a ton of other users] used to buy a new top end video card every year for over a decade, then the prices started getting out of control.Now we buy a 2nd or 3rd tier one every 4-8 years.I personally cant see this being long term profitable for them.Then you can add in the fact that as long as amd's big navi has an equivalent card around the 3080 area that I would buy their card before I would consider NVIDIA extortion prices. Nvidia has priced themselves out of the running.