National Weather Service bandwidth restrictions could disrupt how we use weather apps

Shawn Knight

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Why it matters: The National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) is considering putting restrictions in place that would limit how often its websites could be accessed by the public. Ultimately, it could result in less accurate forecasts and delays in delivering severe weather warnings.

In a memo dated November 18 that largely flew under the radar until now, Brian Gross, acting director at NCEP, proposed new limits to safeguard their web services. According to Gross, the frequency at which the public is accessing its services has created infrastructure constraints and limitations.

“To add new or upgraded streams of data, there has to be a reduction in the number of connections into our system,” Gross added.

For example, one potential mitigation would lower the number of connections to 60 per minute for users accessing specific NCEP sites and services.

That’s great, but what does all of it mean for you?

Many weather-focused sites and apps pull data from the NCEP to power their offerings. Limiting access by such “power users” could have a substantial impact on third parties’ ability to provide accurate and timely forecasts and severe weather warnings.

The logical solution would be for the NCEP to simply bolster their bandwidth / serving capabilities but without additional funding, that likely isn’t an option. Could this mean that third parties might have to start chipping in to pay for the data they access? How would they generate those funds? Would the end user wind up footing the bill and have to pay for access to weather apps?

The NCEP is seeking public comments on the matter through December 18.

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The National Weather Service is a tax-payer funded entity. Third-parties should absolutely be charged for commercial usage of the API, or worse scraping, to display the exact same data without meaningful improvements made and slapping a bunch of ads all over their apps
 
If the weather is fair and there are no warnings and special challenges, increase the refresh time for those areas. If the weather is threatening or present special challenges, then decrease it for those areas. It's not that hard to load-level bandwidth or in this case, smart bandwidth.
 
If the weather is fair and there are no warnings and special challenges, increase the refresh time for those areas. If the weather is threatening or present special challenges, then decrease it for those areas. It's not that hard to load-level bandwidth or in this case, smart bandwidth.

Problem is, most people won't check weather on a sunny day but everyone will check it if something like a storm is approaching. If server can't take the load then it may mean no one will be able to access info during crucial time.

Either NCEP can upgrade infra or they can increase the refresh interval of info or one of the selected service providers can do it for them by ads revenue sharing with various apps.
 
The National Weather Service is a tax-payer funded entity. Third-parties should absolutely be charged for commercial usage of the API, or worse scraping, to display the exact same data without meaningful improvements made and slapping a bunch of ads all over their apps
Exactly.
there also something called cashing that all ppl make money off this free api can implement. limitation of 60call a minute means you get per second accuracy, that is good enough. Build up your backend and server your customers
Could this mean that third parties might have to start chipping in to pay for the data they access? How would they generate those funds?
also im sure that all these api consumer are not building all these website and apps for good will . You make money, pay for the service you use.
 
Companies like The Weather Channel have been lobbying the federal government to prevent any end users from getting this taxpayer generated data. Their hope is that they will be the only source for it and people will have to pay for the data again by paying The Weather Channel. It is a disgusting use of lobbying, as bad as Intuit lobbying to keep tax forms hard to fill out, which they do.
 
Companies like The Weather Channel have been lobbying the federal government to prevent any end users from getting this taxpayer generated data. Their hope is that they will be the only source for it and people will have to pay for the data again by paying The Weather Channel. It is a disgusting use of lobbying, as bad as Intuit lobbying to keep tax forms hard to fill out, which they do.
The Weather Channel -- owned by IBM
Weather Underground - owned by IBM
WunderStation -- owned by IBM
I'm seeing a patter here... https://www.ibm.com/weather/apps
 
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