Did I somehow stump the experts on techspot? I've seen so many intelligent, informed, and thoughtful responses to other posts requesting similar information....but no answers yet to my question below for an AGP card that'll work well for 250 Watt PSU. C'mon guys, please help me out - - I'm a desparate Dad trying to make his kid happy for the holidays. Buying a new machine (or new PSU) not an option.... what do you think will work well with my existing setup as described in my original post:
My 11 year old son is getting into gaming and wants the game Spore for the holidays. When I ran a diagnostic from their website on my ancient but reliable Dell Dimension 4500 (purchased in 2002), it advised that my video card would not meet the game's minimum requirements. I've spent two frustrating weeks trying to find an AGP card that will work with the machine. The biggest problem area seems to be the power supply. Here are the details on the machine including from CPU-Z (thanks for the site, cfitzarl):
1. Budget for new AGP Card - - up to $140, but preferably less (of course)
2. CPU: Pentium 4 2.4 GHz / 1 core / 1 thread / socket 478 mPGA
3. Core speed: 2392.0 MHz
4. Multiplier x Bus speed 18.0 x 132.9 MHz
5. Rated Bus speed 531.6 MHz
6. Stock frequency 2400 MHz
7. Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
8. L1 Data cache (per processor) 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64-byte line size
9. Trace cache (per processor) 12 Kuops, 8-way set associative
10. L2 cache (per processor) 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
11. System RAM 1023 MB DDR
12. Windows XP Home Edition with service pack 2
13. Power Supply: Almost impossible to read the label. (Thanks Dell) Here is everything that I could makeout on it:
Model number HP-P2507F3C. "Max Output Power 250 watt."
The rest of the label includes the following information - - hope this makes sense to you:
"AC Input: 100 - 120V = 6A / 200 - 240v = [illegible may by a 3A or 8A]
DC Output:
*5V = /22A *12V = 14A
*3.3V = /18A -12V = /1A
*5Vfp = /2A
*5V and *3.3V shall not exceed 150W
Max Output Power 250 Watt."
14. Motherboard: Intel Model D845SEPT2
15. Graphic interface: AGP version 2.0 transfer rate 4x
16. Current video card: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420 (64 MB)
17. I'm in the USA
Spore's site says the game requires a minimum 128mb video card with support for pixel shader 2.0. However, I'd like something that is at least 256mb (and preferably 512), pixel shader 3.0 or higher, and ideally a card that a non-techie like myself can install without driver problems, etc..
HOWEVER, at this point, with the holidays bearing down on us and too many frustrating calls with Dell, I'm not going to be too choosey.
The real issue seems to be finding an AGP card that will work with the 250 Watt Power supply.
(1) Your suggestions for a compatible and good AGP card are ver appreciated.
(2) Also, does the card have to be DDR2 for my setup? Or can it be DDR3 (the service tech from Dell said must be DDR2 but he said a lot of things to me that were not correct so I do not know whether he was right on the DDR2 vs DDR3 issue.) will be most welcome.
(3) And finally, if I am upgrading the video card, is it necessary or recommended that I also replace the P4 2.4GHZ chip with a faster processor?
My 11 year old son is getting into gaming and wants the game Spore for the holidays. When I ran a diagnostic from their website on my ancient but reliable Dell Dimension 4500 (purchased in 2002), it advised that my video card would not meet the game's minimum requirements. I've spent two frustrating weeks trying to find an AGP card that will work with the machine. The biggest problem area seems to be the power supply. Here are the details on the machine including from CPU-Z (thanks for the site, cfitzarl):
1. Budget for new AGP Card - - up to $140, but preferably less (of course)
2. CPU: Pentium 4 2.4 GHz / 1 core / 1 thread / socket 478 mPGA
3. Core speed: 2392.0 MHz
4. Multiplier x Bus speed 18.0 x 132.9 MHz
5. Rated Bus speed 531.6 MHz
6. Stock frequency 2400 MHz
7. Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
8. L1 Data cache (per processor) 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64-byte line size
9. Trace cache (per processor) 12 Kuops, 8-way set associative
10. L2 cache (per processor) 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
11. System RAM 1023 MB DDR
12. Windows XP Home Edition with service pack 2
13. Power Supply: Almost impossible to read the label. (Thanks Dell) Here is everything that I could makeout on it:
Model number HP-P2507F3C. "Max Output Power 250 watt."
The rest of the label includes the following information - - hope this makes sense to you:
"AC Input: 100 - 120V = 6A / 200 - 240v = [illegible may by a 3A or 8A]
DC Output:
*5V = /22A *12V = 14A
*3.3V = /18A -12V = /1A
*5Vfp = /2A
*5V and *3.3V shall not exceed 150W
Max Output Power 250 Watt."
14. Motherboard: Intel Model D845SEPT2
15. Graphic interface: AGP version 2.0 transfer rate 4x
16. Current video card: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420 (64 MB)
17. I'm in the USA
Spore's site says the game requires a minimum 128mb video card with support for pixel shader 2.0. However, I'd like something that is at least 256mb (and preferably 512), pixel shader 3.0 or higher, and ideally a card that a non-techie like myself can install without driver problems, etc..
HOWEVER, at this point, with the holidays bearing down on us and too many frustrating calls with Dell, I'm not going to be too choosey.
The real issue seems to be finding an AGP card that will work with the 250 Watt Power supply.
(1) Your suggestions for a compatible and good AGP card are ver appreciated.
(2) Also, does the card have to be DDR2 for my setup? Or can it be DDR3 (the service tech from Dell said must be DDR2 but he said a lot of things to me that were not correct so I do not know whether he was right on the DDR2 vs DDR3 issue.) will be most welcome.
(3) And finally, if I am upgrading the video card, is it necessary or recommended that I also replace the P4 2.4GHZ chip with a faster processor?