News of Covid-19 vaccine with 90% effectiveness sees pandemic-boosted stocks tank

I predicted three months ago that the vaccine annoucement would be held up until after the election. Once the far Left began spreading fear and uncertainty over the vaccine, it was clear that manufacturers would have to wait for an annoucement, not through any political leanings of their own necessarily, but simply to keep their product from being tarred by association.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla denied this in a CNN interview, but the fact remains that their Phase III trial has been ongoing since July, with results continuously updated. There was no salient milestone reached on Sunday to trigger the Monday announcement, and they had enough data to meet the traditional two sigma reporting standard in Mid-October.
:facepalm: Conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere, and not a drop of irrefutable proof to drink.
 
I predicted three months ago that the vaccine annoucement would be held up until after the election. Once the far Left began spreading fear and uncertainty over the vaccine, it was clear that manufacturers would have to wait for an annoucement, not through any political leanings of their own necessarily, but simply to keep their product from being tarred by association.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla denied this in a CNN interview, but the fact remains that their Phase III trial has been ongoing since July, with results continuously updated. There was no salient milestone reached on Sunday to trigger the Monday announcement, and they had enough data to meet the traditional two sigma reporting standard in Mid-October.
Just quit it already with the conspiracies about the far left.

They (big pharma) don't care about elections or politics when it comes to covid vaccine. It's a race to be the first to produce the vaccine so they can cash in. It's all about the almighty dollar.

While big pharma cares about politics when it can potentially hurts their bottom line - such as bipartisan push to curb price in the drug industry Bloomberg Law, when you are first in line producing a drug, you can be the first (and only one) to reap the benefits by setting the price and be a monopoly until someone else goes to market.
 
Just quit it already with the conspiracies about the far left.
How about you learn to read instead? My statement didn't espouse a conspiracy to withhold the vaccine, nor do I believe in one. I'll repeat the argument, this time using smaller words, and in smaller steps.

1. Throughout the first few months of the pandemic, the media narrative was that a vaccine would take 18 months to 2 years to develop, and more time to distribute.
2. When the Trump Administration stated a vaccine would be available before the end of the year, the media -- and many major Democratic figures -- began the narrative that any such early vaccine was "rushed", and quite likely unsafe.
3. Any pharmaceutical CEO faced with that knowledge ineluctably realizes that making a vaccine announcement prior to the election would play into that narrative. The media bombardment would then include them and their product specifically, and result in PR damage. Delaying any announcements by a few weeks saves them that pain.

Points 1 and 2 are irrefutable fact. Point 3 is a conclusion that anyone with even a room temperature IQ could reach. None of them involve a "conspiracy". These very forums from a few months ago include a dozen people -- including at least one posting to this thread -- buying into the "rushed vaccine" silliness. I predicted then that any vaccine announcement would be delayed until after the election. No responsible CEO wants to place themselves squarely in the middle of a political maelstrom.
 
:facepalm: Conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere, and not a drop of irrefutable proof to drink.
So did you hear about Epstein committing suicide? Because everyone is conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere, and not a drop of irrefutable proof to drink.
 
So Biden being declared President-Elect by the media has nothing to do with this, I'm sure. I've been waiting 9 months for substantial vaccine updates. Media calls election and boom, here is a vaccine. End is in sight, light at the end of the tunnel.
It still isn't ready for distribution so who cares when it's announced. It does keep the Orange one from taking credit for yet another issue that he had absolutely nothing to do with.

And the media didn't declare Biden President until the American people did.
But then:
 
I've been waiting to see how anti vaxxers will respond to a corona vaccine.
Simple! If I'm not sick, and no one around me is sick. I will not entertain the possibility of increasing my risk of getting sick or worse.

Besides I believe I had this virus four months before all this drama started. It may not have been Covid19 but something had me uncharacteristically down for two weeks. I'm certain if I caught the same thing now, it would be labeled Covid19 regardless. Because everything is being labeled Covid19.

You have no idea of the long term effects of this vaccine. No one will know for years to come. Yet you are willing to risk everyone's health by forcing it on them. Why else would you respond with anti-vaxxers in your statement. If you want to risk long term health issues. Be my guest. But stop promoting the possibility of risking everyone else's health.

Ohh and spare me the details of how dangerous this virus is. That was so pre-election, now that the Democrat's campaign is over. Sure it's bad, but they greatly over exaggerated details in hopes of bringing down Trump. And in the process they needlessly brought down the whole nation. I believe we would have been over this pandemic. If they hadn't made it part of their political campaign.
 
It still isn't ready for distribution so who cares when it's announced.
It will be by the end of the month, making it far faster (and far more effective) than the media assured us was possible. The normal timeline for a vaccine to release is 73 months. Operation Warp Speed aimed to reduce that to 14 months. They vastly exceeded that goal: 10 months, a resounding success, and by far the fastest in history.

It does keep the Orange one from taking credit for yet another issue that he had absolutely nothing to do with.
Utterly incorrect, of course. Pfizer joined Operation Warp Speed in July (Wash Post story here), receiving a $1.95B contract. Under the Warp Speed changes, the FDA gave them approval for US trials, and has been continually reviewing their data since those trials started, rather than the old model of waiting until trials were complete. The US military will also expedite distribution of the virus, another change.

What most people fail to realize is that, even under the old system where vaccines took an average of 6+ years to release is that the development time for those vaccines was only 3-9 months. The rest of that time was spent in getting government approval for the various trials, and the final approval to distribute. Warp Speed changed all that:
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Interestingly enough, WaPo just this week contradicted their earlier reporting, claiming that the vaccine was "never part of" Warp Speed. While this is typical Orwellian history-rewriting, facts are facts, and cannot change. The story also includes the claim that Pfizer "hasn't received a dime" under Warp Speed: their typical lying-by-omission strategy. Pfizer received the contract and commitment for $1.95B when they began development: the actual payment won't be received until the virus begins deployment.
 
How about you learn to read instead? My statement didn't espouse a conspiracy to withhold the vaccine, nor do I believe in one. I'll repeat the argument, this time using smaller words, and in smaller steps.

1. Throughout the first few months of the pandemic, the media narrative was that a vaccine would take 18 months to 2 years to develop, and more time to distribute.
2. When the Trump Administration stated a vaccine would be available before the end of the year, the media -- and many major Democratic figures -- began the narrative that any such early vaccine was "rushed", and quite likely unsafe.
It was Trump's job to get out in front of that, and explain what he was proposing. That he was reducing red-tape, and there was nothing essentially different about his path than the path that existed except for a reduction in red tape. That he failed to get out in front if it is purely on him.


3. Any pharmaceutical CEO faced with that knowledge ineluctably realizes that making a vaccine announcement prior to the election would play into that narrative. The media bombardment would then include them and their product specifically, and result in PR damage. Delaying any announcements by a few weeks saves them that pain.
Points 1 and 2 are irrefutable fact. Point 3 is a conclusion that anyone with even a room temperature IQ could reach. None of them involve a "conspiracy". These very forums from a few months ago include a dozen people -- including at least one posting to this thread -- buying into the "rushed vaccine" silliness. I predicted then that any vaccine announcement would be delayed until after the election. No responsible CEO wants to place themselves squarely in the middle of a political maelstrom.
It is a irrefutable fact that Trump failed to explain to the American people what his Operation "Warp Speed" program meant. No one else but Trump is responsible for not explaining that.

And you were not the only right to far-right leaning individual to predict that a vaccine announcement would be made after the election. Pat yourself on the back. Good Call!

Besides, I forget what movie or philosophy this comes from, "To Take No Action is an Action" Whether a CEO or other in charge of a company looking to profit, yes, with $1.95B at stake for the company, I would say that profit was the prime motive for developing a vaccine, made an announcement before or after the election, it would undoubtedly be considered a political move whatever side of the fence you are on. Even though you are not saying it, it is, to me, anyway, implied by context that it was a political move for the CEO to announce it after the election. Perhaps, the independent review that was conducted was not done yet, perhaps it was.

Regardless of if this announcement had come before the election or not, there was no way in hell that I was going to change my vote. Nancy Reagan consulted a psychic. For all the lack of truth espoused by and finger pointing that Trump has done in the past four years, too, his proclamation that a vaccine would be developed before the end of the year could also have come from a psychic, or more likely, was inspired by the influence that Norman Vincent Peal had on him. To me, and I would imagine to a large part of the electorate, Trump has no credibility. He only has himself to blame for the way it looks like the election is going - prior to resolution of his lawsuits.

So did you hear about Epstein committing suicide? Because everyone is conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere, and not a drop of irrefutable proof to drink.
What's your point? Did you hear that the postal worker that accused the Erie, PA postmaster of holding back and improperly dating mail in ballots recanted his story after he was questioned by the postal inspector?
 
“no serious safety concerns have been observed.”
Skipped the observing part. Negatives hurt business scheme.
Pfizer is the biggest of the Big Pharmas. One of the biggest liars.
Search for "Pfizer caught running global bribery network".
Makes me think of the movie Mission Impossible 2. But irl there are no immortal superheroes to stop villains from getting what they want.
Nowadays all TRUST between people is exploited for profit. ALL of it.
Not to mention that an absence of evidence, "No serious safety concerns have been observed" is not evidence of absence. If there are any safety concerns, they will be observed when the general population receives the vaccine if there are any. "No serious safety concerns" is a statistical statement based on the number of participants in the trial. It is a statistical observation at this point. There is no guarantee it will hold once the vaccine is distributed to the general population.
 
Simple! If I'm not sick, and no one around me is sick. I will not entertain the possibility of increasing my risk of getting sick or worse.

Besides I believe I had this virus four months before all this drama started. It may not have been Covid19 but something had me uncharacteristically down for two weeks. I'm certain if I caught the same thing now, it would be labeled Covid19 regardless. Because everything is being labeled Covid19.

You have no idea of the long term effects of this vaccine. No one will know for years to come. Yet you are willing to risk everyone's health by forcing it on them. Why else would you respond with anti-vaxxers in your statement. If you want to risk long term health issues. Be my guest. But stop promoting the possibility of risking everyone else's health.

Ohh and spare me the details of how dangerous this virus is. That was so pre-election, now that the Democrat's campaign is over. Sure it's bad, but they greatly over exaggerated details in hopes of bringing down Trump. And in the process they needlessly brought down the whole nation. I believe we would have been over this pandemic. If they hadn't made it part of their political campaign.
Thanks for showing me how they're going to respond, I find it hilarious you felt personally attacked by a joke on an Internet forum.
 
It will be by the end of the month
Looks that way. Which is not now.
What most people fail to realize is that, even under the old system where vaccines took an average of 6+ years to release is that the development time for those vaccines was only 3-9 months. The rest of that time was spent in getting government approval for the various trials, and the final approval to distribute. Warp Speed changed all that:
I was obviously speaking of stealing credit for its development. Think way back. My first line of the post was " It still isn't ready for distribution so who cares when it's announced". Topic.
 
It is a irrefutable fact that Trump failed to explain to the American people what his Operation "Warp Speed" program meant. No one else but Trump is responsible for not explaining that.
Trump did explain it -- in multiple press conferences, in interviews, in tweets, during rallies, and on the White House and other government web sites, including the CDC's. What more do you want him to do? He can't force the media to report it fairly.

Whether a CEO or other in charge...made an announcement before or after the election, it would undoubtedly be considered a political move...it is, to me, anyway, implied by context that it was a political move for the CEO to announce it after the election.
Great. Glad you agree that the announcement was withheld intentionally.
 
Thanks for showing me how they're going to respond, I find it hilarious you felt personally attacked by a joke on an Internet forum.
Jeopardizing someone's health is not a joke. The fact that you think it is, is deplorable. And yes it was a personal attack on each every anti-vaxxer. The fact that you can't see this is also deplorable. I shouldn't have to fight for my freedom, every time this topic comes up. Everytime the work anti-vaxxer comes up, it someone trying to strip someone else of their freedom. Stop! Just Stop! Leave me and my freedom of choice alone.
 
Trump's proclamation that a vaccine would be developed before the end of the year could also have come from a psychic
Actually it came from a rational analysis of the delays in the usual method of vaccine development, and which could be removed by federal action. Simple really: I (and many others) did the same analysis back in May, which is why we knew the media was full of s***t when they were proclaiming Trump's schedule to be impossible.
I was obviously speaking of [Trump] stealing credit for its development.
The vaccine will be ready in a few weeks, the fastest vaccine development in history by a huge margin. The Trump Administration is wholly responsible for that timeline. The timeline from initial research to applying for Phase I trials was not a record -- other vaccines had done that portion as quickly before. What was done with unprecedented speed was the rate at which the various trials were approved, scheduled, and reviewed by the FDA.
 
The vaccine will be ready in a few weeks, the fastest vaccine development in history by a huge margin. The Trump Administration is wholly responsible for that timeline. The timeline from initial research to applying for Phase I trials was not a record -- other vaccines had done that portion as quickly before. What was done with unprecedented speed was the rate at which the various trials were approved, scheduled, and reviewed by the FDA
Let yourself be clear. Do you mean people will start getting it in a few weeks? Because authorization may come before Thanksgiving. But it looks like we will not have a chance of distribution until around the holidays. Then it will be mostly health care workers.

BE CLEAR. Don't find yourself proven wrong again and then try to weasel out of it as you did in the thread about the Mach E.
 
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The Trump Administration is wholly responsible for that timeline.
For a virus that was a hoax? I can easily prove you wrong. Very Easily. So can anyone else willing to spend a minute searching.
But not this time. I'm not doing your homework for you. I want facts that prove you are right. Convince me. Im aware of the medical timeline. I want you to tell us how tRUMP had anything to do with it.

And again, none of your mealy-mouth projectile vomit. Be clear.
 
For a virus that was a hoax?
Once again: Trump never called the virus a hoax. No matter how many times you repeat that lie, Mr. Goebbels, it still remains untrue.

Let yourself be clear. Do you mean people will start getting it in a few weeks?
I believe I was clear. By "ready", I mean Pfizer -- according to themselves, that is -- will ask for final FDA approval to begin distribution. That distribution will of course proceed according to the Warp Speed guidelines, which has health care workers with priority for the first doses. That doesn't alter the timeline, nor the veracity of my statement.

Don't find yourself proven wrong again and then try to weasel out of it as you did in the thread about the Mach E.
But of course I wasn't wrong. I stated that Ford had never before released a model without 2+ years preannouncement. You simply chose to ignore the word "before" and count the impending Mach E release -- which has not yet occurred -- against that statement.
 
Placing a headline on a clip doesn't convert a lie into truth. What Trump called a "new hoax" was the Democratic media's attempts to demonize his administration's response to the virus. Not the virus itself. The media merely deleted a few words to change the meaning entirely -- in other words, exactly what you did to my statement on the Mach E thread.
 
Let me help you with that. Some of it from Pfizer
Facts from your own link:

1. Pfizer originally planned to announce in October, after hitting the 32-case mark.
2. Pfizer changed that goal in October. According to them, it was not done for political reasons -- but they give no other reason than a flat "it was our decision". And the supposition the article's author makes is utterly ludicrous: " : If the vaccine...teetered around 50% efficacy in the trial, it could more easily have been deemed futile at 32 cases." But the vaccine was nowhere near "teetering at 50% efficacy". It was at 90%+, and Pfizer (and the FDA) knew that.
 
Jeopardizing someone's health is not a joke. The fact that you think it is, is deplorable. And yes it was a personal attack on each every anti-vaxxer. The fact that you can't see this is also deplorable. I shouldn't have to fight for my freedom, every time this topic comes up. Everytime the work anti-vaxxer comes up, it someone trying to strip someone else of their freedom. Stop! Just Stop! Leave me and my freedom of choice alone.
The anti vaxxer saying people who get vaccines are jeopardizing other people's health:joy::laughing:

Please, keep going, this is better than I could have possibly hoped for.
 
Simple! If I'm not sick, and no one around me is sick. I will not entertain the possibility of increasing my risk of getting sick or worse.

Besides I believe I had this virus four months before all this drama started. It may not have been Covid19 but something had me uncharacteristically down for two weeks. I'm certain if I caught the same thing now, it would be labeled Covid19 regardless. Because everything is being labeled Covid19.

You have no idea of the long term effects of this vaccine. No one will know for years to come. Yet you are willing to risk everyone's health by forcing it on them. Why else would you respond with anti-vaxxers in your statement. If you want to risk long term health issues. Be my guest. But stop promoting the possibility of risking everyone else's health.

Ohh and spare me the details of how dangerous this virus is. That was so pre-election, now that the Democrat's campaign is over. Sure it's bad, but they greatly over exaggerated details in hopes of bringing down Trump. And in the process they needlessly brought down the whole nation. I believe we would have been over this pandemic. If they hadn't made it part of their political campaign.
Here is some info from one of the participants in the trial https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-vaccine-coronavirus-texas-side-effects-volunteer

Accounts like this certainly do not make me comfortable with taking it especially since every time I have gotten the flu vaccine, I have had an adverse reaction to it. I have to wonder about what effect this vaccine will have on me because of my reaction to the flu vaccine. I will have to do some research on it.
 
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