No One Is Buying AMD Zen 5 CPUs, So What's Going On?

[TBRANN1]

Considering it is still used in benchmarks and the fastest CPU on the platform, yes. Or you can pick up the 5700x3D which frequently goes on sale for $230-250

$189.99 if you're in the US and have a Micro Center Nearby.

 

[Felusy]

Worst Ryzen launch since Ryzen 1000, might even be worse, lets hope 9000X3D can save this mess.

We need 9800X3D with 200-400 MHz higher clockspeed than 7800X3D and unlocked for further OC.

Intel has good timing on Arrow Lake and using TSMC 3nm this time. AMD should not be sleeping right now.

 

[Strawman]

Considering it is still used in benchmarks and the fastest CPU on the platform, yes. Or you can pick up the 5700x3D which frequently goes on sale for $230-250

What are you talking a bout? I think there is a confusion somewhere. You said zen 2 was heavily discounted on the launch of zen 3, I said that's not true.

 

[Strawman]

It's the best gaming CPU currently available. Usually that would cost nearly double that before the 5800X3D released.

Also, when a chip is released doesn't matter, if a chip that released 5 years ago was quicker than what was released today, it would intrinsically hold value for being the best performing CPU.

What the heck are you talking about? The 2600k, 3770k, 4770k, 4790k, 6700k, 7700k,8700k were the fastest gaming chips of their time and didn't cost 450 msrp like the x3d was. I think you are misinformed, contrary to what you are saying the x3d was the most expensive gaming first chip ever released.

 

[Burty117]

What the heck are you talking about? The 2600k, 3770k, 4770k, 4790k, 6700k, 7700k,8700k were the fastest gaming chips of their time and didn't cost 450 msrp like the x3d was. I think you are misinformed, contrary to what you are saying the x3d was the most expensive gaming first chip ever released.

I literally owned the 2600K and 8700K for my own personal rig, let me login to my scan account and see how much I paid for them...

They only keep 5 years on the website, no matter, I must have the emails still.
Man, this is going back in time!

November 2011, 2600K, £234 (£335 today)
June 2018, 8700K, £320 (£405 today)
February 2024, 7800X3D, £350 (£355 today)

Using the Bank of England's Inflation Calculator, simply picked the year/month to get what the price would be today.

So the X3D part is actually cheaper than the 8700K, thanks for proving my point

 

[schwaggins]

Just looking at prices, 5600x $192, 9600x $449...
Pretty obvious why nobody is buying them

 

[Strawman]

I literally owned the 2600K and 8700K for my own personal rig, let me login to my scan account and see how much I paid for them...

They only keep 5 years on the website, no matter, I must have the emails still.
Man, this is going back in time!

November 2011, 2600K, £234 (£335 today)
June 2018, 8700K, £320 (£405 today)
February 2024, 7800X3D, £350 (£355 today)

Using the Bank of England's Inflation Calculator, simply picked the year/month to get what the price would be today.

So the X3D part is actually cheaper than the 8700K, thanks for proving my point

Uhm, that's because you waited 2 whole years to hit that price point. How much was the 7800x 3d on launch bud? Don't be shy, share it with us.

Also let's not forget that all of the above cpus were the fastest desktop chips not just in gaming but also in ST and MT performance. The 7800x 3d is dogslow in those.

Eg1. Just checked EU, it was 530 to 550 euros on launch. I bought a 8700k for 340 euros on launch date.

 

[Burty117]

Uhm, that's because you waited 2 whole years to hit that price point. How much was the 7800x 3d on launch bud? Don't be shy, share it with us.

Also let's not forget that all of the above cpus were the fastest desktop chips not just in gaming but also in ST and MT performance. The 7800x 3d is dogslow in those.

Eg1. Just checked EU, it was 530 to 550 euros on launch. I bought a 8700k for 340 euros on launch date.

7800X3D release date, April 2023, So at most, a year later, I don't mean to be rude but, if you're going to argue, at least quickly Google basic facts.

But lets go through it anyway...

2600K release date, January 2011 (Purchased 11 months later)
8700K release date, October 2017 (Purchased 8 months later)
7800X3D release date, April 2023 (Purchased 10 months later)

Again, I don't know what you're arguing about here, the 7800X3D is the most powerful gaming CPU, that's a fact, not an opinion or feeling.

The value is there, it's faster in gaming than CPU's costing several hundred more and is substantially faster than any CPU in it's price range for gaming.

You can try and move the conversation away from gaming if it helps you feel better, but that's not what anyone here was talking about

 

[Felusy]

They're expensive and offer little to no gains over the previous gen and even (I have a 5800X3D) the gen before. They are just not worth upgrading to.

7800X3D is massively better than 5800X3D.

How do I know? Because I made that upgrade. 25-50% gains in CPU bound gaming. High speed DDR5 also delivers big gains in many games.

9800X3D looks to be additional 10-15% better than 7800X3D due to higher clockspeeds which will also affect productivity workloads, the place where Ryzen 3D suffers due to gimped clockspeeds. 9800X3D will also be unlocked for OC.

AMD have two big issues with Zen:

1. Dual CCD latency and reduced gaming perf here (this is why 7800X3D beats 7950X3D in gaming, just like 7700X beats 7950X in gaming - 7900X3D is just trash due to only having 6 cores with 3D cache for example)

2. 3D models running much lower clockspeeds because of sensitive 3D cache, however should be vastly improved on 9000X3D.

 

[yRaz]

What are you talking a bout? I think there is a confusion somewhere. You said zen 2 was heavily discounted on the launch of zen 3, I said that's not true.

I think the confusion starts with you needing to work on your reading comprehension skils.

 

[Strawman]

7800X3D release date, April 2023, So at most, a year later, I don't mean to be rude but, if you're going to argue, at least quickly Google basic facts.

But lets go through it anyway...

2600K release date, January 2011 (Purchased 11 months later)
8700K release date, October 2017 (Purchased 8 months later)
7800X3D release date, April 2023 (Purchased 10 months later)

Again, I don't know what you're arguing about here, the 7800X3D is the most powerful gaming CPU, that's a fact, not an opinion or feeling.

The value is there, it's faster in gaming than CPU's costing several hundred more and is substantially faster than any CPU in it's price range for gaming.

You can try and move the conversation away from gaming if it helps you feel better, but that's not what anyone here was talking about

The you don't understand what value means.

Even if we stick to amd chips, the 7800x 3d launched at 450, 50% more than what the 7700x cost at the time, while only being what, 10% better in games? Wow, great value bud.

 

[Neutronman]

The cheapest 7700X I can find is on Amazon at $251 plus tax. Still a reasonable price. I would be tempted, but I am lucky enough to live near a Microcenter so can take advantage of the 7600X3D bundle which comes with 32GB of DDR5 pc6000 ram and a decent motherboard with good VRM temps (Asus Tuf Gaming Plus B650) for $449 plus tax.

The reason Zen 5 is not selling well is that the performance uplift over Zen 4 is not impressive, the pricing is not competitive and AMD are their worst enemy as they are still supporting Zen4, bringing out new Zen 4 processors and motherboards, so there is zero urgency to upgrade when some Zen 4 chips give better performance than same priced Zen 5!!!

 

[Burty117]

The you don't understand what value means.

Even if we stick to amd chips, the 7800x 3d launched at 450, 50% more than what the 7700x cost at the time, while only being what, 10% better in games? Wow, great value bud.

Literally nobody cares about launch prices or MSRP, everyone cares what they actually pay. I've just given you the exact figures of what I bought across the last 15 years with dates, prices and inflation corrected prices, using one of the most popular retailers in the UK.

You're so desperately trying to make the 7800X3D look bad for some reason, You also don't recognize the AM5 platform as a part of the value, in 5 years time, when you feel the need to upgrade the 7800X3D, you don't have to do anything other than swap the CPU out. You also don't add on the fact the 7800X3D uses very little power compared to it's competition, if you keep the CPU for 5 years and use it daily for a few hours of gaming, that will actually add up.

You going to explain at any point why you have such an issue with the 7800X3D?

 

[Strawman]

Literally nobody cares about launch prices or MSRP, everyone cares what they actually pay. I've just given you the exact figures of what I bought across the last 15 years with dates, prices and inflation corrected prices, using one of the most popular retailers in the UK.

You're so desperately trying to make the 7800X3D look bad for some reason, You also don't recognize the AM5 platform as a part of the value, in 5 years time, when you feel the need to upgrade the 7800X3D, you don't have to do anything other than swap the CPU out. You also don't add on the fact the 7800X3D uses very little power compared to it's competition, if you keep the CPU for 5 years and use it daily for a few hours of gaming, that will actually add up.

You going to explain at any point why you have such an issue with the 7800X3D?

Nobody should care about MSRP, sure, but when you bought your 7800x 3d (which you claim is great value) you could have bought a much cheaper alternative that offers the same gaming performance (especially since you don't have a 4090). The 7800x 3d even when just comparing across AMD's product has a terrible value as a gaming chip, since it costs 80% more than the 7600 and ~50% more than the 7700 for 10% more performance and that's assuming you have a 4090. Yet you are trying to tell me it has great value.

The AM5 platform as part of the value applies equally to the 7600 and the 7700.

 

[Burty117]

Nobody should care about MSRP, sure, but when you bought your 7800x 3d (which you claim is great value) you could have bought a much cheaper alternative that offers the same gaming performance (especially since you don't have a 4090). The 7800x 3d even when just comparing across AMD's product has a terrible value as a gaming chip, since it costs 80% more than the 7600 and ~50% more than the 7700 for 10% more performance and that's assuming you have a 4090. Yet you are trying to tell me it has great value.

Can you explain why Techspot didn't flag it as "terrible" value? Here's a link to the whole review as I can see Google isn't your friend:

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review: Gaming Efficiency FTW!

The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the Zen 4 3D V-Cache CPU that gamers should all be interested in, it's fast and extremely power efficient. Moreover, at $450...

www.techspot.com

And that graph is based on pricing from the initial launch, so the value only goes up from there. Pricing I paid as listed in my previous comments, Makes that all-the-more juicer.

The AM5 platform as part of the value applies equally to the 7600 and the 7700.

Absolutely, I was hinting more that the competition doesn't.

I'll ask again, what's your problem with the 7800X3D?

 

[EdmondRC]

I certainly wouldn't recommend Zen 5 over Zen 4 for gaming, but Zen 5 actually IS significantly faster than Zen 4 in a lot of applications, and even in some games (Assetto Corsa being the prime example). There have been a lot of changes made to the architecture, MORE changes vs. previous generations since Zen 1 probably, and often it takes time before those changes become well optimized for in software. So, Zen 5 performance vs. Zen 4 may yet improve significantly more over time, though it's hard to say how long that could take, or how much performance will improve in various applications.

It's important not to conflate benchmarks with the actual performance potential of a chip, just as it is important not to make any assumptions about how much better optimized software will become in the future for a given chip. The benchmarks don't tell the whole story, that's why channels like Hardware Unboxed will do new batches of benchmarks for the same hardware multiple times in the years following the release of that hardware.

Hardware Unboxed and by extension these Techspot reviews are primarily gamer focused, so I can understand why they would not recommend the 9700X vs the 7700X or even the 7800X3D. But, there are definitely scenarios where the 9700X is a better buy than in gaming.

 

[Strawman]

Can you explain why Techspot didn't flag it as "terrible" value? Here's a link to the whole review as I can see Google isn't your friend:

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review: Gaming Efficiency FTW!

The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the Zen 4 3D V-Cache CPU that gamers should all be interested in, it's fast and extremely power efficient. Moreover, at $450...

www.techspot.com

And that graph is based on pricing from the initial launch, so the value only goes up from there. Pricing I paid as listed in my previous comments, Makes that all-the-more juicer.

Absolutely, I was hinting more that the competition doesn't.

I'll ask again, what's your problem with the 7800X3D?

Because techspot is not using actual prices but MSRP's. By the time the 7800x 3d launched at 450$ the 7700 and the 7600 were much cheaper than what's shown on that graph of yours bud.

I checked, just for you, May - June - July of 2023, the 7800x 3d was at 449$, the 7700/7700x were at 309-319 and the 7600/7600x were at 209-219$. All prices are from pcpartpickers price history. Now redo that graph up there with the actual prices and tell me how great of a value it is.

I have no problem with the 7800x 3d, I just feel like you are trying to deceive people by saying it's a great value. Why would you say something so preposterous?

EG1. Did the math for you as well. The 7600x hit 0.86c per frame while your great value 7800x 3d is at 2.03$. You paid way more than double the price per frame....

 

[mikeptech]

I am still happy with my ryzen 2700x platform and my ryzen 5800x platform.
1. the prices of not only the CPUs but motherboards, ram etc.. are outrageous.. keep me from buying new.
2. why ? I just bought my 5800x platform a year ago.. nothing wrong with it.. AMD you want to impress me, make the CPU upgrades still for AM4 sockets. you no longer want to do that , well I dont want to spend the money for AM5 and have to start all over. everything keeps going up but my pocket book.
for the average gamer, the 5800x is perfectly fine. im still holding 100-200fps on some games. im not a professional gamer, or a super enthusiast that has to have the best of the best.
3. remember what you brought to the table with Ryzen in the first place. if its just a few points extra than I got now.. its not worth it.

 

[geogan]

I'm still using 5950X - do not want to go to all the expense of replacing high-end X570 motherboard with another X870 one and 64GB of DDR4 RAM for same in DDR5, just for a - probably unnoticeable - difference in CPU performance for every day tasks.

 

[lripplinger]

You should opt for a Ryzen 7 5700X3D instead, get the best of both worlds! Performance and Gaming

Going from a 5700X to a 5700X3D is not a good value proposition (over $200 typically for that cpu) for the small performance gain you might get.

 

[Burty117]

Because techspot is not using actual prices but MSRP's. By the time the 7800x 3d launched at 450$ the 7700 and the 7600 were much cheaper than what's shown on that graph of yours bud.

I checked, just for you, May - June - July of 2023, the 7800x 3d was at 449$, the 7700/7700x were at 309-319 and the 7600/7600x were at 209-219$. All prices are from pcpartpickers price history. Now redo that graph up there with the actual prices and tell me how great of a value it is.

I have no problem with the 7800x 3d, I just feel like you are trying to deceive people by saying it's a great value. Why would you say something so preposterous?

EG1. Did the math for you as well. The 7600x hit 0.86c per frame while your great value 7800x 3d is at 2.03$. You paid way more than double the price per frame....

Oh... Sorry... Just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly...

Your biggest issue with the 7800X3D is... over three specific months, the price was what you would deem as not very good value...

Incredible... Hats off to you sir, your trolling has gone on long enough, I shall leave you to retire under the bridge...

 

[m3tavision]

The you don't understand what value means.

Even if we stick to amd chips, the 7800x 3d launched at 450, 50% more than what the 7700x cost at the time, while only being what, 10% better in games? Wow, great value bud.

NO, it is YOU that do not understand value...!

How much more was the fastest iNTEL chip (at the time), compared to the 5 & 7800X3D..? You are failing to understand value, because you are purposely trying not to compare X3D's to AMD's pricy competitor.



Lastly, it's humorous that you think people buy X3D chips for non-gaming compute. And that people who want compute buy X3D chips.. and you seem upset about such misassumptions. You keep arguing with yourself using a strawman..