They cannot because those chips, same as the x parts, are used for making EPYC cpus primarly. SO basically, what doesn't make it to the datacenter end up being on the shelves of retailers. AMD knows that, so if those CPU don't sell, it doesn't bother them because they make more datacenter CPU instead, like Nvidia did with the 4000 series.
No One Is Buying AMD Zen 5 CPUs, So What's Going On?
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Zen 3 initially sold well because at the time, x3D chip didn't existed and nobody knew about them either. This whole pattern started at the release of the 5800x3D.
Nowaday, everybody know about them and they are just waiting for them.
The x series is now only for computing workloads, but they are still great for gaming to, However, the only way to experience this is by playing in CPU bottleneck scenarios, which doesn't happen for more than 95% of the people.
I play at 2160p, so the CPU means nothing to me. So that's the reason I am hosting a 7950x so I get the maximum MT performances while having the same gaming performances as everyone else having the same GPU as me.
Not having a x3D Model at launch was a horrible choice.... They should know by now what their customer base wants...
Also doesn't help that Zen 5's improvements don't align with the hype before launch.
On a mobile front Zen 5 Slaps. The AI 9 HX 370 while having a horrible name, is a damn fine chip.
Also doesn't help that Zen 5's improvements don't align with the hype before launch.
On a mobile front Zen 5 Slaps. The AI 9 HX 370 while having a horrible name, is a damn fine chip.
Nobina
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m3tavision
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No it's not...!
It give the budgeters and nibblers who really like to min/max and mull for months ovr their budget systems... to finally jump into a new modern platform that will still be viable 7+ years later....! (ie just like AM4 was)
Gamers don't choose budget boards, so when the Gamer boards hit the floor, the X3D will make it's debut.
AM5 is win/win.
I've had my X670E Hero board for almost 2 years now, while I patiently wait to drop in a 9800X3D. Do you Honestly think I am having to suffer these two years, using my Ryzen 7 7700X as a ph while I wait... ? Even though my 7 year old AM4 System w/5800X3D is sometimes faster than my AM5 rig, due to the 5800X3D's design. And if my old AM4 system can still punch at the upper 90% of 2025 systems, then I know my AM5 system with the Zen5 X3d will do the same.
And then 3 years later drop in my 3rd CPU = win/win/win
Gamer's like to save money and spend their saved cabbage on frames. Given the fact that people are dropping X3D's in the old AM4 rigs and jumping out front of Gaming benchmarks, works. AM5 is the same formula and when Zen5 X3D's hit the floor, all of them will be sold!
AMD knows their customer base... Gamers!
Waiting for X3D versions. That is what gamers are waiting for with 3rd party benchmark score.
So you think 330$ for a last years 8 core chip is "value"? Okay bud.
wiyosaya
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And then people would have pissed and moaned it was a rehash with the same result, namely, low sales. That tactic is more something I'd expect to see from Intel.
yRaz
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Considering it is still used in benchmarks and the fastest CPU on the platform, yes. Or you can pick up the 5700x3D which frequently goes on sale for $230-250
Burty117
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It's the best gaming CPU currently available. Usually that would cost nearly double that before the 5800X3D released.
Also, when a chip is released doesn't matter, if a chip that released 5 years ago was quicker than what was released today, it would intrinsically hold value for being the best performing CPU.
vicsrealms
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Waiting for the x3d version to replace my almost seven year old system. Although, it isn't impressive I may just jump up to a cheap 5800x3d to replace my 3900x.
I'm pretty happy with my 5800X3D on AM4 for quite some time, but I have to admit that a 9800X3D would get me thinking about making the jump.
If/when that happens, I see a Gigabyte X870E AORUS Master motherboard in my future with some crazy fast DDR5 memory.
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming out soon, and I wanna be ready.
If/when that happens, I see a Gigabyte X870E AORUS Master motherboard in my future with some crazy fast DDR5 memory.
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is coming out soon, and I wanna be ready.
I got a 7800X3D for $340 right after the 9700X launched. The prices now are back up over $400. In addition to that I got Space Marines 2 with it, which is a game I would have bought anyway. I know that the 9800X3D might be substantially better than the 7800X3D, but it will also come with a higher price tag than $340, so for me, it was time to pull the trigger. Hopefully I can upgrade to the 10800X3D before my next platform upgrade.
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Xander3600
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I certainly wouldn't recommend Zen 5 over Zen 4 for gaming, but Zen 5 actually IS significantly faster than Zen 4 in a lot of applications, and even in some games (Assetto Corsa being the prime example). There have been a lot of changes made to the architecture, MORE changes vs. previous generations since Zen 1 probably, and often it takes time before those changes become well optimized for in software. So, Zen 5 performance vs. Zen 4 may yet improve significantly more over time, though it's hard to say how long that could take, or how much performance will improve in various applications.
It's important not to conflate benchmarks with the actual performance potential of a chip, just as it is important not to make any assumptions about how much better optimized software will become in the future for a given chip. The benchmarks don't tell the whole story, that's why channels like Hardware Unboxed will do new batches of benchmarks for the same hardware multiple times in the years following the release of that hardware.
Xander3600
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I certainly wouldn't recommend Zen 5 over Zen 4 for gaming, but Zen 5 actually IS significantly faster than Zen 4 in a lot of applications already, and even in some games (Assetto Corsa being the prime example). There have been a lot of changes made to the architecture, MORE changes vs. previous generations since Zen 1 probably, and often it takes time before those changes become well optimized for in software. If they can find ways to improve performance through architectural changes which don't rely on software being better optimized for them, that's what they prefer to do, but sometimes achieving better performance potential requires incorporating new architecture designs and features which DO require significant changes or optimizations to software (and not necessarily just to the applications themselves, but to the OS, to compilers, etc.) So, Zen 5 performance vs. Zen 4 may yet improve significantly more over time, though it's hard to say how long that could take, or how much performance will improve in various applications.
It's important not to conflate benchmarks with the actual performance potential of a chip, just as it is important not to make any assumptions about how much better optimized software will become in the future for a given chip. The benchmarks don't tell the whole story, that's why channels like Hardware Unboxed will do new batches of benchmarks in new video releases for the same hardware multiple times in the years following the release of that hardware.
Also, keep in mind that gaming and DIY more generally is actually a relatively small portion of the total market for AMD's CPU sales. People are conflating the gaming performance and value of Zen 5 CPUs in Windows with their overall performance and value. It's not the same thing at all. For someone who wants an affordable workstation which doesn't require an extremely expensive motherboard, the 9950X actually already does offer excellent value, as it's not actually that much more than the 7950X, and definitely is better, and likely will improve more as software becomes better optimized for it. If you have good reason to put together a workstation (for actual work), then spending the extra $$ for the 9950X is likely well worth it.
Lastly, we should also consider that Zen 5's power efficiency is better (with stock settings) than Zen 4 CPUs, and that they also overclock better if you don't care about maximizing power efficiency.
It's important not to conflate benchmarks with the actual performance potential of a chip, just as it is important not to make any assumptions about how much better optimized software will become in the future for a given chip. The benchmarks don't tell the whole story, that's why channels like Hardware Unboxed will do new batches of benchmarks in new video releases for the same hardware multiple times in the years following the release of that hardware.
Also, keep in mind that gaming and DIY more generally is actually a relatively small portion of the total market for AMD's CPU sales. People are conflating the gaming performance and value of Zen 5 CPUs in Windows with their overall performance and value. It's not the same thing at all. For someone who wants an affordable workstation which doesn't require an extremely expensive motherboard, the 9950X actually already does offer excellent value, as it's not actually that much more than the 7950X, and definitely is better, and likely will improve more as software becomes better optimized for it. If you have good reason to put together a workstation (for actual work), then spending the extra $$ for the 9950X is likely well worth it.
Lastly, we should also consider that Zen 5's power efficiency is better (with stock settings) than Zen 4 CPUs, and that they also overclock better if you don't care about maximizing power efficiency.
lripplinger
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Newegg has crazy deals from time to time. I (here in September 2024 as of writing this comment anyway) saw they were selling the Ryzen 7 5800X for $180 plus a free 32GB DDR 4 Corsair memory kit to go with it. They were also selling the Ryzen 9 5900X for under $250. I thought about replacing my Ryzen 7 5700X with that Ryzen 9, given that seemed like a great price but ultimately didn't.
That was an awfully long winded way to say enthusiasts are waiting on the X3D variant and everyo
m3tavision
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lol^
Baby cores do nothing for gamers, so please stop trying to play the "core" game with us gamers. AMD's X3D's are thee fastest gaming chips...!
And we all know the upcoming zen5's 3D stacked chips will usurp zen4's, as the fastest gaming chips.
AM5 is win/win ..!
Squid Surprise
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But we don’t really need it for gaming yet… the 7000 series 3D chips are plenty fast enough to max out any game - depending on your GPU..
Very few games are CPU dependent anyways… a cheap intel 12700 is probably good enough for 95% of gamers…
Money's tight. I didn't even buy Zen3 new. I'm just really good at straightening bent pins.
Inflation that's why. The average person can barely make ends meet between bills and groceries.
You should opt for a Ryzen 7 5700X3D instead, get the best of both worlds! Performance and Gaming
They're hard to find since they quit making them, unless you buy used. The 5700X3D is $189.99 at Micro Center if you're in the US. That's the best bang for buck cpu right now on AM4.
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