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This is just complete and utter nonsense. The 7900 XTX matches the 4080 but is priced $200 lower ($900 vs $1100). The 7800 XT matches the 4070 but is priced $100 lower ($500 vs $600). The 6700 XT (not replaced by a 7000 model yet) matches the 4060 Ti but is priced $80 lower ($320 vs $400) and crucially comes with 4 GB more VRAM (12 GB vs 8 GB) on top of that. The 7600 matches the 4060 but is priced $40 lower ($240 vs $280). AMD consistently prices their products lower than Nvidia's counterparts.
Not cheap enough given the disparity in features. Techspot themselves say this.
Halo products are an minuscule, insignificant part of the market, and are completely irrelevant to the vast overwhelming majority of GPU customers.
Looking at the Steam survey, halo products account for less than 1% of the GPU market, while mainstream products in the ~$200 to ~$500 range completely dominate the chart. In this segment, AMD and Intel GPUs are priced strongly, and Nvidia's products are by far the worst value of the bunch (despite, sadly, being most of the marketshare, as most buyers are not tech savvy).
Halo products sell a whole line up. Nvidia's features are the best, this is objectively true.
"My source is that I made it up!"
Attempted gatekeeping of SAM to certain generations
Attempted locking out of ryzen 5000 from 300 series chipsets
f*ckery with blocking or otherwise heavily disincentivising competitor upscaling in sponsored games, despite having the worst solution. Yeah I don't care it's not proven in a court of law, AMD are/were doing F*ckery.

Been lots of backlash against these alone, which achieved action, which is nice.
Nvidia literally just launched the worst value GPU series of their entire 3 decades of existance. That was much, much bigger than a "miss-step".
Am I here saying they're perfect? I'm saying they innovate, and AMD is far from perfect.

I'm used to AMD defense, Nvidia hate, and the likes swinging a certain way, doesn't phase me, I say what I come to say.

At the end of the day, I'm not here to convince you, or the other vocal members that make up an exceedingly small and disproportionately loud minority, you won't change your mind, but uninformed buyers need balance. I'm here to provide balance, among other things.
 
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Not cheap enough given the disparity in features.
That's not what you said. You literally said "AMD prices their products the same as Nvidia", which is demonstrably false, and are now backpedalling to save face after being proven wrong.

Halo products sell a whole line up.
Again, complete nonsense. Nobody buys a clearly worse product in their price range (like, say, a 4060 vs 6700 XT or A770) explicitly because another product, in a higher price range they can't afford, which isn't the product they're buying, is better. That's a completely ridiculous claim, literally nobody has this thought process. Lots of people default to Nvidia simply because they're not informed and familiar with AMD and Intel options, or because they're buying prebuilts where Nvidia is the only option offered; NOT because of the $1000+ products that they're not buying.

Attempted gatekeeping of SAM to certain generations
Except SAM makes an insignificant difference in performance to the products that were not getting SAM. Nobody is benefitting from SAM pairing a Ryzen 3000 CPU with a RX 5700. This is a minor, far from headlining feature, nobody would be compelled to upgrade their PCs just for resizable BAR. It's the opposite of what Nvidia is doing with frame generation, for example, which is 100% capable of functioning on older RTX cards and would be a massive benefit for them, but Nvidia literally decided to just strip that feature away from them and force you to buy a 4000 card (at awful, ridiculous prices) to get that massive benefit instead.

Attempted locking out of ryzen 5000 from 300 series chipsets
While not ideal, what were they supposed to do? 300-series motherboards literally didn't have enough physical space in its flash ROM to support all AM4 CPUs that existed at that point. It's clear they made this decision out of physical constraints and not as an anti-consumer measure, and later when they changed it to do support new CPUs, that came at the cost of dropping support for many 1st gen Ryzen/Athlon models, again because they were literally physically limited by the size of the ROM that was available.

****ery with blocking or orltherwise heavily disincentivising competitor upscaling in sponsored games, despite having the worst solution. Yeah I don't car it's not proven in a court of law, AMD are doing ****ery.
Literal conspiracy theory that was completely dismantled by A) AMD themselves coming out and saying "no, we are not limiting anyone from using competing tech", and B) Bethesda annoucing that their next Starfield update will bring, among other things, official DLSS support, thus confirming that they are indeed not limited by anything and simply chose not to support it at launch.

Also, LOL @ "I don't care it's not proven". Tells me everything I need to know here.
 
"He saw this AI mania coming 10+ years ago"

Yep, that's definitely nVidia being visionaries, and nothing to do with the fact that they drove the entire AI craze themselves, thereby creating that market demand in the first place. Mhm. Definitely just Jensen being Mr Genius Big Brain Boy and predicting the future.
 
That's not what you said. You literally said "AMD prices their products the same as Nvidia",
I said, and I quote "price like Nvidia for the most part", if you're going to quote me, maybe quote me.
Again, complete nonsense. Nobody buys a clearly worse product in their price range
Clearly worse to you. You don't speak for me.
Nice dodge
While not ideal
Nice again!
Literal conspiracy theory that was completely dismantled by A) AMD themselves coming out and saying "no, we are not limiting anyone from using competing tech", and B) Bethesda annoucing that their next Starfield update will bring, among other things, official DLSS support, thus confirming that they are indeed not limited by anything and simply chose not to support it at launch.
Also, LOL @ "I don't care it's not proven". Tells me everything I need to know here.
Oh please, their response was as non committal and vague as yours, as if they'd ever actually admit it, and it's not legitimately illegal, so it won't go to court. It also came so late the contractual obligations were fulfilled by such time. And again, even Techspot writers agree AMD are/were doing this. Deny it, I couldn't possibly care less, they did it, to some extent, in some fashion, and I don't need you to agree on that, nothing you could possibly say would convince me they didn't.

It's a good thing they have users like you, their marketing department can't get it right, so they rely on the volunteers that are so ready and waiting.

And again, I know I can't convince you, you've clearly made up your mind and have drawn a line in the sand, and again, I'm not here saying Nvidia are perfect, never did, I'm just hear to call out some particulars when I see them, and among other things, provide some balance to a conversation dominated by a vocal minority. You should see me s*it on Nvidia when they deserve it, it's glorious.
 
I said, and I quote "price like Nvidia for the most part"
And I showed you that AMD is priced lower in every segment of the market, which makes your statement flat out incorrect.

Clearly worse to you. You don't speak for me.
The 4060 is objectively inferior to the 6700 XT, for everybody. Lower performance, and crippled by its measly 8 GB of VRAM. You may choose to use the inferior product for whatever reason you have, but that doesn't make it stop being the inferior product.

Oh please, their response was as non committal and vague as yours, as if they'd ever actually admit it, and it's not legitimately illegal, so it won't go to court. It also came so late the contractual obligations were fulfilled by such time. And again, even Techspot writers agree AMD are/were doing this. Deny it, I couldn't possibly care less, they did it, to some extent, in some fashion, and I don't need you to agree on that, nothing you could possibly say would convince me they didn't.
"Everyone involved vehemently denied it, no evidence that it happened exists, the game is now getting DLSS support as expected, but I still choose to believe it despite the zero evidence. I-it's not a c-conspiracy theory, I s-swear!"

It's a good thing they have users like you
I don't have any AMD components on my PC. I have a RTX 2060 Super.
This is what Nvidia zealots believe. You're so convinced that, by criticizing the atrociously anti-consumer behavior of Nvidia, I must be some sort of AMD "fanboy", despite the fact that I explicitly made a point to add Intel to my comment too. I hope Intel succeeds in the GPU market and gives AMD a run for their money. I have no personal or emotional investment on AMD. It's simply the fact that there is a massive, giant gulf between how AMD and Intel act on the GPU market and how Nvidia does. AMD and Intel clearly are attempting to offer the best products they can, and Nvidia clearly isn't. It's more than blatantly obvious Nvidia doesn't give a damn about me as a (maisntream, mid-range) consumer, and they don't care in the slightest about the quality of the products they're offering me. The fact that, despite having a 2060 Super, it's AMD who is going to give me an option for frame generation says everything we need to know about the shitshow that Nvidia is today. It was also AMD who game me the Freesync (or "G-sync compatible") monitor I use today, and which Nvidia took a ridiculous, hilariously long time to finally support.

I'm not here saying Nvidia are perfect, never did, I'm just hear to call out some particulars when I see them, and among other things, provide some balance to a conversation dominated by a vocal minority.
This has that "all lives matter!" vibe. That vibe of when one house is burning, the firefights come, and then you pester them by saying "all houses deserve not to burn, you firefighters need to be more balanced, why are you not spraying water on those other houses too?"
People deservedly **** on Nvidia because Nvidia is the company being ridiculously anti-consumer. AMD and Intel are nowhere remotely near that level. They're not artificially locking headlining features away from older GPUs that are perfectly capable of running them. They're not selling $400 cards with 8 GB of VRAM. They're not inflating their 80-tier cards to $1200. They're not selling their smallest chips as a $300 SKU. They didn't screw over the entire professional market by pushing proprietary standards like CUDA.
That's why nobody takes you seriously when you barge in here saying "b-but the other companies are bad too!"
 
Guys no one will remember Lisa 5-10 years from now.
Jensen's name is written in the History of humanity.
The man who re-defined humanity with AI.
Most of you seem to not know that most of the research papers on AI are by Nvidia.
That is why I said what I said.
If you guy will be alive by next 10 years, you will understand what I mean better.
 
Nvidia literally just launched the worst value GPU series of their entire 3 decades of existance. That was much, much bigger than a "miss-step".
No, the "misstep" happened when some rabid gaming addicts proved they were willing to pay double, (and more), list price for cards from scalpers, during the card shortage / mining boom.

So when Nvidia's 4xxx series was released, y'all were still standing around grabbing your ankles.

In that context Huang is a magnificent CSO, since he's saving you from those mean, nasty, parasites, that don't contribute anything into the development or manufacture of video cards,and just take your money, and put it in their pockets.
 
No, the "misstep" happened when some rabid gaming addicts proved they were willing to pay double, (and more), list price for cards from scalpers, during the card shortage / mining boom.

So when Nvidia's 4xxx series was released, y'all were still standing around grabbing your ankles.

In that context Huang is a magnificent CSO, since he's saving you from those mean, nasty, parasites, that don't contribute anything into the development or manufacture of video cards,and just take your money, and put it in their pockets.
Well, it's not that simple, it was largely not gamers buying those inflated price cards from scalpers, it was miners. They were buying those cards at those prices because at the height of the crypto boom GPUs were money printers and would make them even more money than that in return.
Meanwhile, if you look at the Steam survey during the pandemic, adoption of RTX 3000 cards was abysmally low throughout 2020 and 2021, and only really started to pick up to a significant degree towards the end of 2022, exactly as Ethereum moved away from proof-of-work and killed GPU mining. In other words, gamers only really got their hands on the 3000 series cards after the crypto party was over and miners started reselling them, and MSRPs came down to less absurd levels.
 
Well, it's not that simple, it was largely not gamers buying those inflated price cards from scalpers, it was miners. They were buying those cards at those prices because at the height of the crypto boom GPUs were money printers and would make them even more money than that in return.
Meanwhile, if you look at the Steam survey during the pandemic, adoption of RTX 3000 cards was abysmally low throughout 2020 and 2021, and only really started to pick up to a significant degree towards the end of 2022, exactly as Ethereum moved away from proof-of-work and killed GPU mining. In other words, gamers only really got their hands on the 3000 series cards after the crypto party was over and miners started reselling them, and MSRPs came down to less absurd levels.
It's really not this this complicated either. Although granted, I did leave out some of the details.

Although my pivotal points remains as salient. Gamers imagine themselves as the center of the VGA universe. They're not. Miners bought vast quantities of cards "unexpectedly". Which left supplies low, and ripe for scalping. You can't convince me Huang didn't take notice of the prices being reaped for his cards, and act accordingly.

We're telling pretty much the same story. You just happen to like your somewhat embellished version better.
 
I don't know what some on here are about, but Lisa Su is one hell of a CEO, who managed to turn a company like AMD around in a way we could have only dreamt of.

Think about it : Phenom II was competitive, but nothing amazing. Then came Bulldozer. Need I say more?
That was in 2011. 2012 saw a refresh with Vishera and then everything went silent on the CPU front.

Don't remember how frustrating it was when every single dog gamn time there were news about a new AMD CPU, it was an APU, or a low-end product?
"It's never gonna happen", I kept thinking.

I knew about Jim Keller and thought it was amazing news when I read he was back, only to be worried when he left the company again.
Then Zen entered the scene and look where we are now. AMD is live and kicking.
It took time, effort, money, proper leadership and team building. It took innovation and creativity.
We should appreciate this and give credit where credit is due.
Otherwise, Rory Read would've given us new APUs and some low end Athlons
 
Not surprising in the least. Nvidia was voted the number one corporation in employee satisfaction in 2022 with an unheard of 97% positive rating by current and former employees.

A lot of people complain about Nvidia but you know who isn't complaining ..... Their own employees.
 
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