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Panda: Mac is less secure than Windows, here's an antivirus

By Emil ยท 37 replies
Oct 22, 2010
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  1. The number of Mac OS vulnerabilities has quintupled in less than a year. In 2009, 34 vulnerabilities were detected for Mac OS. So far in 2010, this number has risen to 175 vulnerabilities. Furthermore, the platform can also be affected by 170,000 macro viruses for Windows and there are 5,000 classified strains of malware that specifically target Apple systems, according to Panda Security.

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  2. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,676

    Why? Wouldn't it be more fun to see the apple users who say things like "Mac is better at photoshop than windows" and "Macs don't get viruses" get attacked by these viruses and then have apples sales go back down where they should be.
  3. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 3,797   +116

    No computer is completely safe from virus', even *nix based OS' like Linux and Unix. This includes OS X, and any other version of Mac's OS as well.

    I've never been able to understand why anyone would *think* they're safe from virus infections. I personally use BitDefender on all my Linux and BSD installs for this reason. I'd rather have protection for the 0.01% of the time it's needed, than the 99.99% of the time I'd get away with not having it.
  4. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    Viruses love to propagate in an environment with no immunity. All those Mac users who don't believe in Mac viruses will get burned sooner or later. No amount of AV software is going to stop you from clicking on a link and installing something willingly.
  5. bakape

    bakape TS Enthusiast Posts: 123

    As with all businesses, there are viruses as long as there's a target ***** pool.
  6. Jesse

    Jesse TS Evangelist Posts: 359   +42

    That "track=53647" at the end of the URL isn't for a referral, is it?
  7. Name ONE, just ONE virus on the Mac OS X.

    I'll wait.....until then there is no need for this.
  8. Emil

    Emil TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 154

    I don't know but I've removed it in case it was.
  9. danteoz

    danteoz TS Enthusiast Posts: 42

    HellRTS.D Backdoor
  10. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,729   +409

    No instances of it "in the wild".
  11. mario

    mario Ex-TS Developer Posts: 399   +17

    Emil you really dig up those anti mac news. It's a shame you're so biased. It looks like you're obsessed with trashing Apple.

    This week alone Apple has reported one of their most profitable quarters and they even had a keynote presenting a bunch of different products and there were no news from you about any of it.
  12. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Guru Posts: 827   +32

    to add:
    ~Leap.A (aka Oompa-Loompa)

    These may have been secured by now, but they make it obvious that Mac isn't perfect...that it is vulnerable. Whether it be a full fledged virus like HellRTS.D, or simple malware like the ones I listed, only the fool would believe Mac to be invincible. As Mac gets more and more popular, more hackers will look into writting viruses for it. Right now, there's no point. Why wright a virus for an operating system that only has something like 11% of the market, when you can target the biggest operating system used by most big businesses?

    The other reason for so many Windows viruses is not only because Windows dominates the OS market, but also because it is easier to get control of. Even as a Windows user myself, I know how vulnerable the OS is...I don't deny it. But Mac is not invincible. I'm not looking forward to the day when us Windows users get to say "mm-hm...told you so" as I would never wish that upon anyone, but that day will come. Maybe it'll be soon, maybe it'll be years from now, but that day will come. Nothing is perfect.
  13. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 3,797   +116

    Any OS is vunerable, but that way Unix/Linux OS's run with permissions generally prevents them from causing any harm.

    The worms (I think it was anyway) that were found to be included in certain torrent downloaded Adobe Photoshop and iWork '09 copies an example. Sure as long as you didnt "authenticate" when asked (which gave admin rights to install the nasties) you were safe. Plenty of people unwillingly did give permission though and consequently infected there OSX installs. You could argue it was well deserved for downloaing illegal software, but it still proves the point that infections are possible.

    I would be surprised if less than 50% of those using a computer today hadn't at some point given admin rights without actually understanding why. It only takes this to happen once at the wrong time and you then have an infected computer, with no antivirus to warn you of the infection.

    It is a known fact that worms, and malware have been found for MacIntosh OS computers - Viruses themselves have also been found in the past - I don't know of any for OSX but previous OS versions had some.

    Ultimately no system can remain virus free without protection, and while it might only be a 0.01% threat, its still one none-the-less. That's without the simple fact you could also be passing Windows based viruses to people you communicate with using Windows OS'. It might not affect your computer, but would you act with the same negligence if you knowingly passed a virus to a Windows user and caused major damage?
  14. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Guru Posts: 827   +32

    Doesn't matter. The point is that it existed. The mere fact that it existed is proof that Mac is indeed vulnerable to attacks, whether big or small. I'm not trying to trash Apple here, just using the little thing called "common sense." Like I said before, the more popular it becomes, the more viruses will be written for it. After-all, if you were a hacker, wouldn't you go for the more popular, more vulnerable OS? Once Mac gets popular, and hackers begin to finds back doors, we'll see Macs getting attacked more often. For now, Windows is just too easy...hackers are just that lazy, lol.
  15. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,572   +65

    Of course, because Panda wants to sell you their software...
  16. Relic

    Relic TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,379   +16

    I never understood why Mac users think they're invincible. All operating systems are vulnerable to some extent and can be exploited. While they may have been protected by small numbers, their growth & popularity over the years will make them a target, especially in the mobile area.
  17. http://store.apple.com/us/search?find=antivirus

    Even Steve Jobs thinks you need antivirus on your mac, or he would not sell it.
  18. bakape

    bakape TS Enthusiast Posts: 123

  19. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,920   +629

    Maybe there are no viruses on Mac because it's like UAC and doesn't let you do anything. :D
  20. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,119   +121

    LOL! I love it!
  21. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,729   +409

    My point in posting that was to note that it was merely a 'proof of concept'. The one dude asked for someone to name one, and the other dude posted just the name of one with no explanation, probably just googled for it. So I made a almost equally short post just noting that it wasn't something that was floating around on a ton of Macs. I wasn't trying to make any arguments for either side, just giving additional information so all the Mac bashers on this site didn't just see one listed and get the wrong impression.
  22. i dont understand why are so many viruses, endless. the OS is for us or for viruses?
  23. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,501   +2,295

    Well, I suppose that viruses for Mac exist. I don't suppose they're too prevalent. I really don't think that a majority of average Mac owners, would either know that they had one, or believe that they could get one.

    With that said, Panda is culpable for a applying a copious amount of scare tactics, in its pursuit of penetrating the Apple market segment.

    The logical next step in this development, is for Norton to come along and claim they have a better AV for Mac.
  24. fullmetalvegan

    fullmetalvegan TS Enthusiast Posts: 123

    I don't believe virus' are that prevalent on PC's either - been using them for over a decade and never once gotten a virus. Most of the time when people I know said they had a virus and needed me to fix it, it was actually that they'd just stuffed the PC up on their own and then blamed their stupidity on a phantom virus.
  25. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,729   +409

    I agree fullmetal - until MSE I have been running all of my PCs (and I have several) without AV. I run everything behind NAT, and I utilize common sense. Sure that doesn't make me 100% immune, but find an AV that is 100% immune. So I think I do a pretty good job of keeping myself safe.

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