It isn't clear why complexity eliminates the possibility of being a simulation(?)
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It isn't clear why complexity eliminates the possibility of being a simulation(?)
cliffordcooley
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More or less what I was driving at, but you put it better!
TechMancer
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The reason I said what I did is because we as humans have become more advanced than we ever thought we would be, and there is no way a higher power could have "programmed" us to do all of it. There are tens of thousands of decisions made every day, and, if there was a simulation, the creators would have no idea what they would all be. I know this sounds complex, but it's the truth, and its needs to be excepted as such. ARGUMENT CLOSED.
Not at all, you are simply stating YOUR (and my!) limitations, that if a system is too complex for you to thoroughly understand then no-one and nothing else can understand too, this is simply illogical.
As for the "argument" high complexity can't be programmed, look at neural networks - these are in their infancy yet display evolutionary capability I.e. the whole is more complex than the components.
This is not "The Truth" and the argument is never closed, unless your mind is.
Zoltan Head
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Correct! also:-
Actually, I think ten of thousands is a collossal underestimate, but... How many calculations per second does your processor make (either your PC or your brain) thousands? millions? billions?
And is there more than one such processor? Billions, perhaps?
And would a "hyperspace computer scientist" for want of a better term have a better, or worse technology than us?
Complexity? No problem!
Doctor John
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Well played, PanWah & Zoltan - TechMancer seems a bit quiet?
TechMancer
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Correct! also:-
Actually, I think ten of thousands is a collossal underestimate, but... How many calculations per second does your processor make (either your PC or your brain) thousands? millions? billions?
And is there more than one such processor? Billions, perhaps?
And would a "hyperspace computer scientist" for want of a better term have a better, or worse technology than us?
Complexity? No problem!
You are missing my point, sir.
Zoltan Head
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Please could you state your point more lucidly, maybe I'll catch on?
cliffordcooley
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There is no point you could possibly make to backup your claim. You simply suggest their can not be a higher power because your mind can't conceive of such a thought.
TechMancer
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The only higher power is God.
Genesis 1:1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:26- Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our own image, in our likeness..."
Genesis 1:27- So God created human beings in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them."
I am a hardcore man of Jewish faith, and I believe that God created the earth as a natural wonder, not as a computer simulation. He is caring and sovereign, He would never abuse us like that.
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Genesis 1:1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:26- Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our own image, in our likeness..."
Genesis 1:27- So God created human beings in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them."
I am a hardcore man of Jewish faith, and I believe that God created the earth as a natural wonder, not as a computer simulation. He is caring and sovereign, He would never abuse us like that.
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TechMancer
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And to you, if you are suggesting I am dumb, then you are sorely mistaking. The reason I say there is no other higher power is because God is the only higher power, and HE CREATED US.
Zoltan Head
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I'm afraid it sounds dumb in the extreme, when you make an assertion based on "It's like this because it just is, there's no reason, no information no logic but you must believe me because I have spoken!" oh, and we mustn't answer back. It's toddler logic.
cliffordcooley
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I never said that, I was summarizing your comments as I was reading them. Then you come in and make a statement of contrast suggesting there is a higher power. And you also made a statement about an element of abuse, that I have no idea where came from.
Respect to your faith - any chance of respect to everyone else?
Yes, I've read some books too, but I don't wish to quote from them just now.
I understand now, it's not a discussion, you just want to state your point of view as fact, and that overrules any amount of reasoning or evidence from any number of intelligent and educated people?
I don't think so.
TOPIC OPEN if anyone else feels like it, you don't control me!
Zoltan Head
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Respect's due, Pan Wah! (y)
TechMancer
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I'm sorry if I seemed too aggressive about this whole thing. I have said before, I act on frustration. Apologies to you.
Sure, me too - only a difference of opinion!(y)
TechMancer
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Yeah, and I've recently had events happen that have made me decide to be agnostic , so I am opening up to this whole theory. Now that I look at it, it makes more sense than it did before.
, so I am opening up to this whole theory. Now that I look at it, it makes more sense than it did before.
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Michael Talbot, David Icke and Dolores Cannon have been writing books about this for decades, now science is catching up and confirming. Soon people will wake up and see the world for what it really is about. Metaphysics and quantum physics coming together.
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The simulation notion may not be as far fetched as you think. Remember, all of our perceptions and interactions with the world occur through our brains. Remove the brain and reality ceases to exist, at least for that unfortunate individual who lost his brain! We are past to the point where supercomputers exceed the raw processing capacity of the human brain. It is the programming that is lost here. We simply cannot reproduce, at least not yet, the programming needed to reproduce an intelligent supercomputer brain. Lets say that we one day reach that capability and produce an artificial brain that is like that of a human with all of the I/O interfaces that compose sight, hearing and the other senses. We could allow it to interact with the real world or we could create an artificial reality for it. Suppose that a super intelligent civilization created billions of these artificial realities, I suppose with the intent of seeing how they interact with the other. It would be sort of like a super SIM game simulation. The outcome of such an investment would be lost on me. Even super intelligent civilizations have better things to do than do play computer games. On a more immediate scale, a person could be subjected to an alternate reality as presented in the Matrix movies. Science and technology will undoubtedly advance to the point where a person can volunteer to take a virtual space ride to Mars or live in an otherworldly existence. An Arnold movie portrayed the Mars vacation scenario. The ultimate question is whether we live in the real world or a simulation. I believe that it is a combination of the two. Our world is processed by the brain which is an organic supercomputer. It is an interface to our version of reality. Screw with the programming and you distort reality or create a new one. Try LSD. I hear that it does a good job of it.
captaincranky
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That's only an unsubstantiated rumor. At least to the extent that I can remember.
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