Pornhub calls on Apple and Google to build device-based age verification APIs

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What we know so far: The government's effort to restrict access to adult websites has largely failed. Rather than keeping minors off porn, the rules have pushed users – including adults – toward sites that are harder to regulate. Content on these platforms is often more extreme and, in some cases, outright illegal.

Last week, Pornhub sent letters to Apple, Google, and Microsoft, urging them to adopt device-level age verification. As governments in the United States and the United Kingdom tighten rules on adult content, site-by-site identification checks push users toward workarounds instead of keeping minors off porn websites.

Aylo, Pornhub's parent company, told the tech firms that a single age check performed on a phone, tablet, or computer could send a verified age signal across apps and browsers through an application programming interface. The company says the current model – uploading identification separately on each site through third-party vendors – has "failed to achieve its primary objective."

That system has also hit Pornhub's traffic hard. Nearly half of the states in the US now require an ID upload to access adult content, and Pornhub withdrew from most of them rather than comply. In Louisiana, the lone state where the company implemented ID checks, viewership fell by 80 percent. The company experienced a similar decline in the United Kingdom after the Online Safety Act's age verification mandate took effect.

Aylo asserts that handling verification at the device level would reduce privacy risk by limiting exposure of personal documents. It would also cut down on users fleeing to foreign or fringe sites that have no age controls in place. Aylo Vice President of Brand and Community Alex Kekesi told Wired that searches for unrestricted platforms have "surged exponentially" since states began implementing age-restriction laws.

California's Digital Age Assurance Act offers one model for shifting responsibility to operators like Apple and Google. Signed in October, the law requires app stores to verify user ages before allowing certain downloads, though both platforms already check ages for app purchases to some degree.

Google says it is developing tools, including its Credential Manager API, that would allow websites and apps to access verified age signals. The company also emphasized that adult sites "will always need to invest in specific tools to meet their own legal and responsibility obligations." Apple and Microsoft pointed to existing guidance but did not endorse Aylo's proposal.

Researchers say users can easily bypass current laws. Studies from New York University and the Phoenix Center found that people frequently evade restrictions using VPNs, fake selfies, or switching to foreign sites with little or no moderation. Mike Stabile of the Free Speech Coalition compared the laws to Prohibition, arguing that traffic has shifted to platforms hosting pirated videos, revenge porn, and child abuse material.

Supporters of device-based verification say that it would give governments a more enforceable framework. Critics worry it will accelerate the broader trend toward online deanonymization. For now, California stands alone – but Aylo believes more states will see it as a better solution.

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First of all: age verification should have always been present. The fact it wasn’t should have been criminal.

Secondly: this is simply a method of linking users to every download and upload.

I will not comply.

 
First of all: age verification should have always been present. The fact it wasn’t should have been criminal.

Secondly: this is simply a method of linking users to every download and upload.

I will not comply.
So age verification should have always been present but you will not comply with age verification?

Which way you want it bud? And why should a lack of verification have been criminal?
 
Pornhub should outsource their age verification to Roblox Corp.
Watching the internet twist itself into knots in search of profit is almost more entertaining than any service provided by it.
 
The forbidden door, rather than stopping, makes the dull object enticing. The solution is change in society so that people don't need to watch or choose not to. Better relationships, romanticism, more dialogue on sex, a greater acceptance of the sensual and the erotic, of which 21st-century pornography is a fifth-rate counterfeit, and so on.

For many, it is filling a gap; therefore, we must help people fill those gaps: be it lack of a partner, lack of sex in marriage, depression, loneliness, addiction.
 
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Here are a couple of alternatives:
- Cal Jeffrey will verify everyone's age
- Use those AI training recaptas with stuff from before the underage was born!

XD
 
What is all this desire to have a nanny state when this is just bad parenting? I showed both my kids examples of porn and had a discussion with both that this is not how relationships really work and that some of it is demeaning, on purpose. My daughter is 31 now and my son is 21, and they couldn't care less about porn.
 
So age verification should have always been present but you will not comply with age verification?

Which way you want it bud? And why should a lack of verification have been criminal?


I'll be fine. Been filling up SSD for years. I can brave the storm.
 
You will never satisfy proponents and opponents. But if companies want to remain in business they're going to have to do what they have to do unless we want Government to start mandating solutions. We already have that called Real ID. Porn and social media is just the beginning and as the information highway becomes a bigger monster, expect more de-anonymity. If you think about it, it seems to be another way of censorship without ever being censorship. Companies will either comply to the law or voluntarily not do business in said jurisdiction.
 
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The forbidden door, rather than stopping, makes the dull object enticing. The solution is change in society so that people don't need to watch or choose not to. Better relationships, romanticism, more dialogue on sex, a greater acceptance of the sensual and the erotic, of which 21st-century pornography is a fifth-rate counterfeit, and so on.

For many, it is filling a gap; therefore, we must help people fill those gaps: be it lack of a partner, lack of sex in marriage, depression, loneliness, addiction.
People were never as lonely in history as they are today.
Social media is like something that looks like food but gives no nutrients.
Socializing treats a lot of things. And yet this is something millions do not have in their menu.
 
Due to kids limited understanding of geography, a captcha requiring users to order four country flags by population – with a 20 million population gap between countries and the inclusion of a less common country – is expected to successfully filter out over 90% of users aged 12 and under, while preserving access for over 90% of those aged 18 and over.
 
I am an adult I don't need another API that can be criminally exploited due to poor coding and security flaws. Its not on the phone hardware providers to age verify it is up to the service providers (websites) to figure out how to do it.
 
People were never as lonely in history as they are today.
Social media is like something that looks like food but gives no nutrients.
Socializing treats a lot of things. And yet this is something millions do not have in their menu.
I think there are trends in society, partly brought about by technology, that have led to the loneliness, avoidance, and decline of community. It's hard to disentangle but no doubt the philosophy of the times supports our going in this direction.

Good analogy about social media and nutrients. Pornography is the same: a counterfeit that purports to give what only union with another can. It's like watching food when one is hungry.
 
I am an adult I don't need another API that can be criminally exploited due to poor coding and security flaws. Its not on the phone hardware providers to age verify it is up to the service providers (websites) to figure out how to do it.
You are not as adult as you think you are.

You have state issued ID which claims you are of age. Accepted by your state, by other states in US and (in most cases) even outside of US.
Now consider you have to prove your age (for simplification, not complete identity, just age) in every shop, caffee, diner, office, ... whatever, you visit for every visit. And they each use their own way how to prove it.
Does not it sound too annoying, does it?
 
Thanks to Zero Knowledge Proofs (ZK Proofs) (see Midnight or Veridian, for example), you no longer need to trust Big Brother to keep and maintain the private details contained within "your" personal ID. Self-sovereign, personally owned ID is now 100% possible thanks to this new technology and with it you only need to disclose the specific part of your personal information relevant to the restriction requirement (be it age, sex, nationality, etc.). Why reveal your SSN and address to the liquor store guy just because you want some beer?

 
I think there are trends in society, partly brought about by technology, that have led to the loneliness, avoidance, and decline of community. It's hard to disentangle but no doubt the philosophy of the times supports our going in this direction.

Good analogy about social media and nutrients. Pornography is the same: a counterfeit that purports to give what only union with another can. It's like watching food when one is hungry.

I'd fully support a national ban on porn, but it would take a court case to the supreme court to have that terrible ruling overturned that made porn legal in the first place, the ruling that declared Porn is art, though when I look at modern porn none of it has any artistic quality to it, the original stuff from the 50's did, but there is zero artistry in hardcore porn, its just that no one wants to take it to the courts to block, and it would take a state government to do it as me as an individual would have no standing, unless I find my child has snuck hard core porn, and then I might, same way people go after gun companies, I could then sue a porn company but it would be much easier if a state banned it outright, the porn company filed an injunction and it got taken to SCOTUS.
 
You are not as adult as you think you are.

You have state issued ID which claims you are of age. Accepted by your state, by other states in US and (in most cases) even outside of US.
Now consider you have to prove your age (for simplification, not complete identity, just age) in every shop, caffee, diner, office, ... whatever, you visit for every visit. And they each use their own way how to prove it.
Does not it sound too annoying, does it?
I haven't had to prove my age in decades. So it has been and will continue to be a non issue for me.
 
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